Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Thank you. Sometimes I speak my true thoughts about something and then wonder if I’m going to be tagged as an obot simply for using common sense. I’m an equal opportunity griper. People should at least not insult our intelligence and provide some evidence to support their hypotheses.
The “whole ‘nother Indonesian family” is his family. Lolo Soetoro’s family. They who lived in the royal(ish) compound in Yogyakarta. The elderly lady is Lolo’s mother, who Barry considered as like his own grandmother. So he has two step-grannies. Notice how he’s hanging onto the granny’s hand? The other children are Maya’s cousins. Maya spent a lot of time living there. Barry was frequently there, too. Those other men are probably Lolo’s brothers. He had many siblings.
They may have made it a point to say as often as possible that his command of the Indonesian language was poor because if he did naturalize over there, renouncing his US citizenship, he had to prove that he was fluent in the language.
umm, I replied to your off topic comment, TROLLL!
Virginia told a reporter that her half-brother and his wife were raising Barry because his mother had died in 1970. His mother was allegedly Virginia’s niece.
correction his, SUCK UP!
I’m wondering about a few things, and thanks for the explanation. So the photo of the house with the fancy grated windows is that compound, or is the compound another place? That photographed house looks nice but not exactly a wealthy compound.
Also, where does the name “Soebarkah” fit in with Lolo Soetoro?
And if SAD and Lolo were married and kept house and Zero lived with them as a family unit, why are there no photos except a couple of obvious photoshop jobs? Is that because Zero was living somewhere else?
(And no wonder Zero grew up twisted. Ripped away from those who obviously had some care for him. Attachment disorder bigtime.)
His mother was Anna, sister was Pearl, daughter Elizabeth, granddaughter, Jane.
That's interesting; I remember noticing when they made a point to say he couldn't speak Bahasa well that it sounded really false. Of course they want to make it seem as though he had not melded with Indonesian family and so on. I'm sure he became very fluent, he went there very young and young children easily pick up languages and can become bilingual or even trilingual pretty easily.
Maybe a Bahasa speaker could shout out something to him at a public gathering and see the reaction. heheheh
With all due respect, people are comparing photos that are supposed to be Stanley Ann to photos that Trowbridge supplied and said are Jo Ann Newman. The photos of SAD are said to be photoshopped because really, SAD, at the time, had short hair and a smaller mouth (remember the pink tooth), etc., which would tend to make her resemble that boy/girl that Trowbridge SAYS is Jo Ann Newman. But the photoshopper apparently forgot the nose. The bridge of the nose, between the eyes. As I said, Roman nose on “Newman”, not on SAD. Either they’re supposed to be the same woman or they aren’t. I can see for myself that SAD’s photos are photoshopped (some of them). But I cannot see that she did used to look just like Jo Ann before somebody changed her to look different. It’s as likely that the early photos of Ann were photoshopped to make her look a LOT less like that “model” who was filmed nekkid by FMD.
I believe the house you’re talking about is one of the homes that Lolo, Ann, and Barry shared in Jakarta. The Soetoro family compound was in another area, called Yogyakarta. Wealthy is relative, when you’re talking about a third-world country, fifty years ago. Barry was driven to school in a limousine. The family had servants, cooks, he had his own nanny (transvestite/transsexual), etc. Zero might have been living somewhere else sometimes. One would think that he had to spend a lot of time with Lolo’s mother to get that close to her. She looks fond of him, too. I look at that photo and see a kid starved for motherly attention. He’s her step-grandson (according to the story) but he’s hanging on her. (She seems like a sweet lady.) Her own biological grandchildren aren’t as affectionate, at least in the photos. Ann did her “anthropology” work and Lolo was probably absent, too, given his line of work. They had servants to care for the kids, but some of the news stories state that they dumped the kids on Lolo’s mom a lot. The stories also say that Ann and Lolo separated and one of those houses was a house that he bought for her and the kids, while he lived elsewhere.
I forgot about Soebarkah. I can’t answer that. It’s not a surname in the sense that we have them. Lolo’s surname is not Soetoro. That’s his first name. Some of the names of his siblings are Soegijo, Soegito, Soemitro, Soewarti, Soewardinah.
The surname, if there is one, is Martodijardjo (variations on that spelling exist: Mangunharjo or Mangundikardjo, for example). Many Indonesians went by one name, especially back then. Barry’s Indonesian name could have become Soebarkah.
There are many people named Soetoro who aren’t related to Lolo. It’s possible that there is a Soebarkah family that are related to this issue, but others have conjectured that Soebarkah was a name Lolo chose for Barry when he was adopted and became Indonesian. Son of Soetoro or perhaps some combination of Soe for Soetoro and Barkah for “Barry”. It’s curious enough that it appears on SAD’s passport. I’d love to hear Lester Kinsolving of WND ask Carney at a WH press conference, “Who is Soebarkah?”
Thanks. Is there a Valerie or Jo Ann amongst his relations? Cousin or niece perhaps?
Yes, I have read that many Indonesians use only one name. So it is likely that Soebarkah was Zero’s given name. Thanks for the other details.
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Shabazz is the name of a supposed black scientist whose tribe founded the populations of Africa, according to the Nation of Islam (NoI).
The name was adopted by Malcolm X, initially when he joined the NoI. He used the name Malachi Shabazz in 1949, before adopting “Malcolm X”, and later called himself El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz when he became an orthodox Sunni Muslim. The surname was borne by his wife Betty Shabazz and his children, and has also been adopted by unrelated persons.
Social Security Death Indexabout B. M. Shabazz
Name: B. M. Shabazz
SSN: 084-54-5926
Born: 28 Oct 1959
Died: Aug 1994
State (Year) SSN issued: New York (1974)
Why did US Government redact his parents names on the grounds he was still alive?
What we see of the Indonesian story only touches the surface, scans of Lolo’s passport photographs indicate the man on the couch is someone else.
The real Lolo Soetoro had a thick moustache and wore glasses, thus the need to create the ‘family’ on the couch. It’s starting to look like we aren’t supposed to know who the man in Indonesia was.
Get it? The student in Hawaii was probably Lolo, but it’s not the same man...so something’s up...
The above image appears at the below link, it gives the impression that this is an image of Jo Ann Newman standing by the bridge with Harvard in the background. When this idea was all over the web, freepers were sending me this image, some asking 'is this Jo Ann Newman' - others to tell me 'here's an image of Jo Ann Newman'
I'll let you decide who it is with zero.
Yes, the multiple Lolos... I wonder why they used different men in the photos as “Lolo”. Would it been or have been harmful to the real Lolo if people knew who he was? Or harmful in some way to Zero?
It’s so amazing how everything - every tiny detail - in this never ending story of deceit REEKS with lies and falsity.
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