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To: Idabilly

Whether a state had the right to secede was a matter of opinion, neither fact nor law. Lincoln, of course, supposed that a disloyal faction had seized control in the states. The Southerners were exercised the same rights against the United States that the Colonists had against the king of Great Britain. Your authority would be the pre-amble to the Declaration of Liberty. The right to revolution. The same right that the English people had invoked against the Stuarts.


244 posted on 12/27/2010 9:06:58 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: RobbyS

I’ll say it again...for the last time...

It was about a bunch lazy White southerners who were either too lazy or too rich to do work in their own fields. So they imported black slaves to the work for them as they sat on their porches with their big-buxomed Southern women drinking mint tulip’s and finding other ways to keep black skinned people down—because let’s face it—even though slaves weren’t considered people—the south used the proceeds of their labor—and counted them as 3/5 of a person to increase their political clout in Congress....which by the way is so typical Democrat...


245 posted on 12/27/2010 9:15:55 PM PST by gman992
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To: RobbyS

Let’s just cut it down to the chase—you people in the South, you lost-—either move on or get over it. Because you know, what’s going to happen in 200 years from now—you are stil going to come out on the losing side!


246 posted on 12/27/2010 9:17:48 PM PST by gman992
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To: RobbyS
Whether a state had the right to secede was a matter of opinion, neither fact nor law.

I'm afraid that you would have to explain that to the graduates of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point as well as most every Law school in the U.S. prior to 1860 as the primary text they studied with regard to law was BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE, TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS, OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES; AND OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. IN FIVE VOLUMES. WITH AN APPENDIX TO EACH VOLUME, CONTAINING SHORT TRACTS UPON SUCH SUBJECTS AS APPEARED NECESSARY TO FORM A CONNECTED VIEW OF THE LAWS OF VIRGINIA, AS A MEMBER OF THE FEDERAL UNION. BY ST. GEORGE TUCKER, PROFESSOR OF LAW, IN THE UNIVERSITY OF WILLIAM AND MARY, AND ONE OF THE JUDGES OF THE GENERAL COURT IN VIRGINIA. PHILADELPHIA: PUBLISHED BY WILLIAM YOUNG BIRCH, AND ABRAHAM SMALL, NO. 17, SOUTH SECOND-STREET. ROBERT CARR, PRINTER. 1803.

303 posted on 12/28/2010 6:56:33 AM PST by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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To: RobbyS
Saving you the trouble of looking it up here is what it says on the subject:

Although the federal government can, in no possible view, be considered as a party to a compact made anterior to its existence, and by which it was, in fact, created; yet as the creature of that compact, it must be bound by it, to its creators, the several states in the union, and the citizens thereof. Having no existence but under the constitution, nor any rights, but such as that instrument confers; and those very rights being in fact duties; it can possess no legitimate power, but such, as is absolutely necessary for the performance of a duty, prescribed and enjoined by the constitution. Its duties, then, become the exact measure of its powers; and wherever it exerts a power for any other purpose, than the performance of a duty prescribed by the constitution, it transgresses its proper limits, and violates the public trust. Its duties, being moreover imposed for the general benefit and security of the several states, in their politic character; and of the people, both in their sovereign, and individual capacity, if these objects be not obtained, the government will not answer the end of its creation: it is therefore bound to the several states, respectively, and to every citizen thereof, for the due execution of those duties. And the observance of this obligation is enforced, by the solemn sanction of an oath, from all who administer the government.

The constitution of the United States, then being that instrument by which the federal government hath been created; its powers defined, and limited; and the duties, and functions of its several departments prescribed; the government, thus established, may be pronounced to be a confederate republic, composed of several independent, and sovereign democratic states, united for their common defense, and security against foreign nations, and for the purposes of harmony, and mutual intercourse between each other; each state retaining an entire liberty of exercising, as it thinks proper, all those parts of its sovereignty, which are not mentioned in the constitution, or act of union, as parts that ought to be exercised in common. It is the supreme law of the land 32, and as such binding upon the federal government; the several states; and finally upon all the citizens of the United States.... It can not be controlled, or altered without the express consent of the body politic of three fourths of the states in the union, or, of the people, of an equal number of the states. To prevent the necessity of an immediate appeal to the latter, a method is pointed out, by which amendments may be proposed and ratified by the concurrent act of two thirds of both houses of congress, and three fourths of the state legislatures: but if congress should neglect to propose amendments in this way, when they may be deemed necessary, the concurrent sense of two thirds of the state legislatures may enforce congress to call a convention, the amendments proposed by which, when ratified by the conventions of three fourths of the states, become valid, as a part of the constitution. In either mode, the assent of the body politic of the states, is necessary, either to complete, or to originate the measure.

Their submission to it’s operation is voluntary: it’s councils, it’s engagements, it’s authority are theirs, modified, and united. It’s sovereignty is an emanation from theirs, not a flame by which they have been consumed, nor a vortex in which they are swallowed up. Each is still a perfect state, still sovereign, still independent, and still capable, should the occasion require, to resume the exercise of it’s functions, as such, in the most unlimited extent.

BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE, TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS, OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES; AND OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. IN FIVE VOLUMES.

306 posted on 12/28/2010 7:07:23 AM PST by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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