Posted on 08/09/2009 8:10:48 PM PDT by Gordon Greene
I do not support their O&E's ideas concerning healthcare. NOW answer my first questions to you.
I think my question was first.
Nyah!
I answered your question now answer my question which was posted much earlier.... What in the below quote that you posted is that you disagree with?
“With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one up to the last moment. ..”
“Do you stand by the wording of that question? Yes or no.”
Yes. Now I’d appreciate an answer.
“...do you support Obama’s and Ezekial Emanuel’s ideas concerning healthcare.”
Of course not. Why do the YECs on this site continually confuse religion with politics?
As for the remaining questions, are you trying to draw a conclusion regarding evolution over billions of years from a experiment that lasted perhaps fiffty* ?
* That misspelling was just for you.
“I do not support their O&E’s ideas concerning healthcare. NOW answer my first questions to you.”
HAH!
So Darwin was wrong??? So you believe that Darwin’s ideas as related in the quotes were comparable to Ezekial’s and you disagree???
No. The record shows that I posted my question to you before you posted a question to me.
I will if you can show me how something dead can pass on it's genes.
One at a time... An answer to what? What I think Catholics believe? That’s easy... I gave you a chance to re-word it but your pride won’t let you so, here goes.
I don’t know. I’m not Catholic.
For the second... because the Founders “confused” religion with politics. You wanna discount the Founders go ahead, but you might fit in better these days on the whitehouse.gov site.
Third... I think you really misspelled it. And for me! You shouldn’t have (no, really).
Now, would you please clarify your next to final statement? Names... dates etc. I don’t understand what you’re asking (not much more clear than your “Catholic” question).
I don’t take issue with any particular part of it. It just dodges the real issue WRT salvation.
Again (after many reminders about twisting the question) I must inform you that you are once again restating the question incorrectly. The question is "Do you believe Catholics can be Christians. It is not about what you believe that Catholics beleive, it is about whether you believe that Catholics can be Christians.
“Do you stand by the wording of that question? Yes or no.”
Yes. Now I’d appreciate an answer.
Do you REALLY not know which question I seek an answer to*? Look close—it’s referred to in the post above.
* I ended that sentence in a preposition just for you.
How so?
Yes, that's what's going on. For example, in another thread, BuckW claims that evolution is a dogma of the Catholic Church:
Most Catholics believe in evolution, as does the Church as a whole.However, John-Paul II said:
It is by virtue of his spiritual soul that the whole person possesses such a dignity even in his body. Pius XII stressed this essential point: If the human body take its origin from pre-existent living matter, the spiritual soul is immediately created by God ("animas enim a Deo immediate creari catholica fides nos retinere iubei"; "Humani Generis," 36). Consequently, theories of evolution which, in accordance with the philosophies inspiring them, consider the spirit as emerging from the forces of living matter or as a mere epiphenomenon of this matter, are incompatible with the truth about man.And Benedict XVI said:
We are not some casual and meaningless product of evolution.Nevertheless, atheists will continue to claim that the Catholic Church, as a whole, accepts as fact that man originates from naturalistic processes without the creative acts of God, and that man is a meaningless, unintended meat by-product of a mindless meatgrinder called natural selection. I know from prior experience that they will continue to make this claim no matter what you, I, the Pope, or anyone says.
It's clear to me that you will accept nothing less than abject submission. If I'm proven wrong I accept that, but most of what we deal in is opinion, and in that there is seldom an absolute right or wrong, but rather a difference of opinion, and an airing of views. I can live with that. Apparently you cannot.
Seems that you have just discounted the founders by saying they were confused. Obama will welcome you to the whitehouse.gov site.
“I think my question was first.”
“No. The record shows that I posted my question to you before you posted a question to me.”
Nope... nope... It’s clear to me that my question was first.
“Let the record show that the question posed by the questioner of the first party (GG) was posited before that of the questioner of the second party (CW). So let it be written, so let it be done!”
“Any nays?”
“Whinny!”
“Let the record stand!”
See... you should have voted.
I didn’t give the answer in #140, so you’re talking to the wrong guy.
But you don’t like the answer in #140 either, since it doesn’t go along with you disruptive agenda.
“...because the Founders “confused” religion with politics.”
The founders did not equate a political ideology with a religious faith, as you recklessly equate conservatism with YEC-centered Christianity. Or, conversely, as you deny the conservatism of Christians who believe in evolution (the majority of Christians, that is).
Just messin’ with you... here’s your question and my honest response:
“Please expain why you disagree with the following statements you posted. Thank you.”
“Thank you for your kind reply.
Because I haven’t resigned myself to believing there is no difference between animal and man. Man has a different and greater worth than animal in God’s creation so, even though what Darwin said may be true of animals it is not relatable to mankind... Why?
Because man has a soul that is worth saving and, as a believer in the God of Creation, I believe life was created as a sacred thing and that the weak are not obstacles to overcome.
Because I believe we are all in a fallen state... that there is no life less worthy than my own... or yours.
Because Jesus came to seek and to save that which was lost and to redeem the sins of anyone who believes, to heal the sick and infirmed and make the blind man see.
Jesus didn’t tell the blind or the lame to go away and die because they were a blight on humanity and a stumbling block to the able. He offered hope and healing. It is in no way injurious to the state of man to attend to the weak. With man it seems to make the weak strong and encourage the one who lifts up the other... to make them stronger men themselves. Stephen Hawkings would have been left to die if Darwin’s premise were followed to it’s ultimate conclusion. There are countless others who would have perished; Helen Keller, Stevie Wonder, Franklin Roosevelt, Christopher Reeve, Michael J. Fox... All of these would be left to die so that the strong might survive.
The conclusion most evolutionists draw when confronted with Darwin’s statements is that he meant them in a different context than how we take them. Darwin, however spent some time lamenting the fact he could not be as harsh as he would have liked because of social dictates, ie. the feelings of his family. He would have, by his own admission attacked religion if he felt unfettered from the chains of society opinion.”
I reiterate, I cannot and will not change my answer because you either do not like it or do not understand it. This answer is directly related to the statements and assumptions made by Darwin about our relationship with one another and our ancestors. And my answer is in direct response to the quotes in the article.
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