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To: yazoo

You probably missed this primary first person experience report:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread429061/pg1

posted on 18/1/2009 @ 22:25

Phoenix Lights -— My Story.....

Greetings,

It has been nearly 12 years since the incident known as the “Phoenix Lights” was shown around the world, nearly 12 years that something has been burning inside of me. When the official explanations of the incident were released (mainly the story about Maryland ANG A-10 “Flares” story), myself and everyone else that had anything to do with the incident itself were deflated, as we knew it was false.

In short, on the night of March 13, 1997, USAF personnel stationed at both Luke AFB in Glendale and Davis-Monthan AFB in Tucson were a bit scared, as something was occurring over the skies of central and southern Arizona that night, and the on-duty personnel at both bases had no idea what it was. That night, Luke AFB scrambled two F-16C’s from the 56th Fighter Wing, however, these aircraft were not vectored southwest of Phoenix towards the source of the lights, but directly south towards Tucson. What is known further, is that less than 10 minutes later, a second set of F-16C’s from the 56th were also scrambled and sent south-east.

Radio reports from the first flight of aircraft indicated something “odd” was occurring, however the pilots never gave any indication or specifics (in the open at any rate), as to what that was. Both flights were kept away intentionally from the lights being seen near the Estrella range. It was obvious to all with access that there were other aircraft in the area, with orders to drop flares (whether this was the Maryland ANG is unknown). It was felt that this was indeed a “deception” measure to keep curiosity focused on one space in the sky, as flares were never used that far north of the Goldwater training range (as any Luke personnel can tell you, if they were, there would be weekly “Phoenix Lights” incidents).

The next morning, wing intelligence units at both Luke and Davis-Monthan were scrambling to compile information. No one knew what had occurred the night before, but for some top officers that were summoned in during or just after the incident, there was an element of anxiety (I would not say fear, though many were disconcerted). The “hush” order took a few days to trickle down, but it was not a complete wash-up. Because of the sheer amount of public scrutiny, focusing on the “flares” video and photos allowed for a convenient and plausible explanation. Few in the mainstream press talked about the “other” sightings that night, focusing on the large triangular craft that had passed over the Phoenix metro area, the outskirts of Tucson, and over Fort Huachuca before slipping in to Mexico.

Neither did anyone mention the F-16’s at all. Even though we KNOW there were numerous civilian witnesses to the scrambles (and even a few mentions here and there), NO ONE in the media asked what we all hoped they would, if this entire incident was just “flares” dropped from ANG aircraft, why then were four F-16’s in the air that night, with one pair flying all the way to the Mexican border before turning back to Luke?

The incident has quietly fallen down the memory hole for most, but not for many USAF personnel close to the incident that night. There is a considerable amount of information that was never leaked, and for an incident of this magnitude, the mind boggles as to why.........

AL


609 posted on 01/25/2009 2:24:13 PM PST by Quix (LEADRs SAY FRM 1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

I’m in Phx and saw the F-16’s ...also not mentioned is the hugh red/orangish glode south west of Luke AFB


610 posted on 01/25/2009 2:36:37 PM PST by advertising guy (I'd rather eat a pound of cat turds than set one toe in Mexico again)
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To: Quix

Absolutely any researcher reading this would dismiss it out of hand since it is 100% biased. The person writing is WANTS to believe it is a flying saucer. Note the comment:

“myself and everyone else that had anything to do with the incident itself were deflated, as we knew it was false.”

It is full of such comments setting himself up as somehow knowing something that others didn’t know. And full of assumptions about the emotional state of the pilots, and comments like “as any Luke personnel can tell you.” In other words, the writer is loading it up with bias that the casual reader may not notice but that completely invalidates this statement. In a court of law, the judge would throw this out as full of inadmissible hearsay.

But in any case, what in the world does this prove. Some lights were seen, the USAF declared them to the flares (rightly or wrongly), but otherwise we have no idea what they were. You can no more declare them to be alien visitors than I can claim them to be angels. This is NOT primary source material. This is the biased writing of a true believer.

Primary source material would be the first hand physical contact with a space craft and or an alien. It would require backup since it is outside of the norm. The backup could be forensic evidence from the alien or spacecraft (and not someone claiming they saw the evidence, I mean the evidence itself). Original photo negatives, movie film, or digital imagery that has not been processed through Adobe. The photos should have something known in them that will provide dimensions.

Of course, you have none of that, just claims by other people, that they or a cousin or a friend of a cousin saw these things. They write it up, and we have absolutely no way of judging their veracity. Until any of this evidence is delivered, visits by aliens remains completely unfounded.


611 posted on 01/25/2009 3:30:24 PM PST by yazoo
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