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To: Grig

"You clearly don't know what ID is."
Thanks for such a quick judgement.

"Nothing in ID requires creation from nothing, nor does it require any kind of divinity on the part of the creator."
Where did all the stuff that we see come from unless from an intelligent designer who created the very stuff with which to design?

"Answer me this: If you walked into a room and found 500 dice on a table and they all had the 6 side up and were placed so as to spell out your name, would you think it more likely that they were placed that way by an intellligent being, or that they randomly fell into that configuration? Is not our plant a far more complex configuration than that?"

Don't quite understand your analogy. Are you saying that the configuration involves a designer but that designer is not divine? Please explain. A litte confused. Thanks


721 posted on 12/20/2005 12:24:04 PM PST by laxin4him (They will know by our love not our picket lines)
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To: laxin4him

"Where did all the stuff that we see come from unless from an intelligent designer who created the very stuff with which to design?"

ID doesn't attempt to explain the origin of matter. You are making the mistake of thinking that ID includes everything that Gensis does.

"Don't quite understand your analogy. Are you saying that the configuration involves a designer but that designer is not divine? Please explain."

I'm saying that a highly complex system is more likely to exist because of deliberate action by an intelligent being than by chance. Complexity implies a creator, but it doesn't have to be a divine being. I could place dice like that if I wanted to (and if I knew your name).

ID takes as a hypothesis that there is a designer, but it doesn't require the designer to be divine, or to have created matter from nothing, or to have done it as outlined by the teachings of any religion.


859 posted on 12/20/2005 1:20:13 PM PST by Grig
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