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To: 2nsdammit

And I suggest that those with the closed minds are those on your side. Our side suggests that BOTH be taught- yours would teach only one.
Adaptation is NOT evolution. I do not know HOW many ways I could say that before you get it.
ANY adaptation is TEMPORARY and when returned to the wild or removed from the controlling situation (positive breeding), ALL forms revert to their natural state. There has NEVER been a situation where that has been different. For example: IF you removed the advances of modern medicine and modern medical science, WE would return to our previous lifespans and body dimensions. IF you stop selectively breeding livestock (of ANY kind), it will revert to its previous wild state. The same is true of plants. The fact that they REVERT is proof that it is NOT proof of "evolution".
Mutations, also not "proof", are "dead ends"- not viable and cannot breed.
So once again, I will state- there is NO proof of evolution and has BEEN NONE since the THEORY was first proposed. Even Darwin died doubting it.


2,829 posted on 12/29/2005 11:20:10 AM PST by 13Sisters76
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To: 13Sisters76
"ANY adaptation is TEMPORARY and when returned to the wild or removed from the controlling situation (positive breeding), ALL forms revert to their natural state."

Nonsense. If an allele is lost in a population, or a new one emerges, that is a real genetic change. I have guppies that have been bred for many many generations to look as they do. If introduced into the wild, they will NOT revert back to their wild forms, because the alleles that were once in the guppy population has been eliminated.

"IF you stop selectively breeding livestock (of ANY kind), it will revert to its previous wild state."

Simply not true. Take a dog. It has been selectively bred for many thousands of years. A dachshund returned to the wild will not revert back to a *wild type* dog. It has been changed genetically. Alleles have been added and some destroyed in the process of breeding them. They won't simply come back because the dog is in the wild again.

"Mutations, also not "proof", are "dead ends"- not viable and cannot breed."

Mutations are mostly neutral. A few are bad, a few good. Each of us has about 10 or so mutations at different points on our genome. We are all, in essence, mutants. You seem to have gotten your genetics ideas from the X-Men.

" Even Darwin died doubting it."

No, he didn't. The *Lady Hope* story is a lie. His family denied it, and his daughter would have loved for it to have been true. He died fully confident in his theory and an Agnostic.
2,834 posted on 12/29/2005 12:39:23 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: 13Sisters76

Well, if you're going to show your ignorance, might as well do it SHOUTING....

Show me any one example of your claim that adaptations have "reversed themselves". Show me one example where any plant or animal has "reverted" to it's "natural state" (whatever that is....). And if you can show the DNA evidence that backs that claim, you would impress me even more.

Also, what do you claim is our "previous lifespan and body dimensions"?

And by the way, please quit posting that many-times-debunked claim that Darwin recanted on his deathbed. It's a deliberate lie at this point, in my opinion. You must subscribe to the idea that if you shout your lie often enough, you will be believed.

[prediction - when asked to provide evidence, 13 will do one of three things: 1. Become more beligerent, shouting that I just wouldn't believe it anyway; 2. ignore the request altogether; 3. post a link to a "creation/ID scientist's" writings, claiming the same thing without evidence]


2,836 posted on 12/29/2005 12:44:57 PM PST by 2nsdammit (By definition it's hard to get suicide bombers with experience.)
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