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I'm actually going to be busy off and on tonight.

Cop-out noted.

But I believe I asked that you or others explain how they DON"T.

I certainly didn't see such a claim addressed to me. Moreover, you're the one claiming that the theory violates the laws of thermodynamics. You're the one with the burden of proof to show the discrepency. If evolution contradicts thermodynamics, then demonstrate as much. Your attempt to pass the buck onto me to "prove you wrong" is simply dishonest of you.

Since your obviously aware of the issue, i'd like to hear what you have to say.....please

Fine. The argument from "second law of thermodynamics" always relies on the incorrect assumption that the law states that "entropy always increases", when really it says (well, this is a simplification, but it's a more accurate simplification) "net entropy always increases in a closed system" and, since the earth is not a closed system, it is possible for entropy to decrease without violating the second law of thermodynamics.

Now, if you have a coherent argument to make regarding the 2LoT forbidding evolution that you believe is not subject to my above comments, then please present it. Otherwise I will only be able to conclude that you are simply dishonestly copping out of the issue because you're too much of a coward to admit that you might be mistaken.

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Excuse me but this law applies to our universe and since the claim is we humans have evolved, we are obviously subject to the laws of thermodynamics.
If you can name any physicist , not a cosmologist, who has shown thru scientific proof that we are not subject to the these laws, please share. I believe your comments would fall under a unproven hypothetical that fools some people into the belief that evolution is somehow except from these "universal laws"

Here is just a sample of scientists who see great problems with your sides's assertion.

The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is just as valid for open systems as it is for closed systems, says John Ross, Harvard University:
"...There are no known violations of the second law of thermodynamics. Ordinarily the second law is stated for isolated systems, but the second law applies equally well to open systems."

[John Ross, letter in Chemical and Engineering News, Vol. 58






Second Law of Thermodynamics - Does this basic law of nature prevent Evolution?











Evolution versus a basic law of nature
Scores of distinguished scientists have carefully examined the most basic laws of nature to see if Evolution is physically possible - given enough time and opportunity. The conclusion of many is that Evolution is simply not feasible. One major problem is the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.


law of science: basic, unchanging principle of nature; a scientifically observed phenomenon which has been subjected to very extensive measurements and experimentation and has repeatedly proved to be invariable throughout the known universe (e.g., the law of gravity, the laws of motion).
thermodynamics: the study of heat power; a branch of physics which studies the efficiency of energy transfer and exchange.1




Decaying buildings. Massive structures may appear to be capable of lasting almost forever, but they will not. The need for ongoing repairs stems, in part, from the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.
The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics describes basic principles familiar in everyday life. It is partially a universal law of decay; the ultimate cause of why everything ultimately falls apart and disintegrates over time. Material things are not eternal. Everything appears to change eventually, and chaos increases. Nothing stays as fresh as the day one buys it; clothing becomes faded, threadbare, and ultimately returns to dust.2 Everything ages and wears out. Even death is a manifestation of this law. The effects of the 2nd Law are all around, touching everything in the universe.