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An opposing view: Descendant of black Confederate soldier speaks at museum
Thomasville Times-Enterprise ^ | 24 Feb 2004 | Mark Lastinger

Posted on 02/25/2004 11:52:26 AM PST by 4CJ

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To: stand watie
it does NOT take much BRAVERY to rape,torure,abuse,rob,committ arson against & MASS-murder UNarmed civilians. just CRUELTY! i KNOW you must be PROUD of their WAR CRIMES, as you keep defending what the damnyankees did to blacks (both slaves & free),women & children, jews, indians,latinos, the poorest of the poor & us "muddy coloured people".

Prove it. The most anyone has is 350 incidents for the whole war. The rate doesn't look any higher than the crimes of confederates against their own people.

1,302 posted on 03/23/2004 8:38:56 AM PST by #3Fan (Kerry to POW-MIA activists: "You'll wish you'd never been born.". Link on my homepage.)
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To: #3Fan
the ballots in different colors served at least 2 purposes:

1. they IDENTIFIED soldiers who voted AGAINST lincoln to the other people in the area &

2. the ballots assured that MOST soldiers, who did NOT want to vote for lincoln, were intimidated into doing so.

the election of 1864 was in a word, a MOCKERY.<P.free dixie,sw

1,303 posted on 03/23/2004 8:40:25 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: stand watie
denying WAR CRIMES, which are WELL KNOWN to all serious scholars of the period, makes you look DUMBER than i suspect you really are.

War crimes take place in every war, but the rate looks the same for both armies.

do you also deny the Holocaust??

You seem to be denying that Confederates committed war crimes by your omissions of it.

1,304 posted on 03/23/2004 8:41:22 AM PST by #3Fan (Kerry to POW-MIA activists: "You'll wish you'd never been born.". Link on my homepage.)
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To: #3Fan
The elections wrere faked too huh? lol Was Davis elected, by the way?

Jefferson Davis was elected interim President by the constittional convention on 9 Feb 1861. Davis was then elected President - not selected - by the people on 6 Nov 1861.

1,305 posted on 03/23/2004 8:41:24 AM PST by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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To: nolu chan
if you think that's hard to believe, go check out the OFFICIAL joint resolution of Congress on INTENTIONAL MISTREATMENT of CSA POWs! the resolution is in the Congressional Record.

free dixie,sw

1,307 posted on 03/23/2004 8:42:59 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: HistorianDorisKearnsGoodwad
Exactly! Congress in 1860 did not even think it could regulate secession...

Lack of passage of an amendment proves nothing since Congress already had the power to prescribe laws in Article IV, Section 1. They may have needed an amendment to make secession illegal though. If states would follow Article IV, perhaps secession would never be necessary.

1,308 posted on 03/23/2004 8:46:06 AM PST by #3Fan (Kerry to POW-MIA activists: "You'll wish you'd never been born.". Link on my homepage.)
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To: #3Fan
The first paragraph in that post should all be italicized. Those lunatic ravings certainly aren't my words.
1,309 posted on 03/23/2004 8:47:51 AM PST by #3Fan (Kerry to POW-MIA activists: "You'll wish you'd never been born.". Link on my homepage.)
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To: stand watie
the ballots in different colors served at least 2 purposes: 1. they IDENTIFIED soldiers who voted AGAINST lincoln to the other people in the area & 2. the ballots assured that MOST soldiers, who did NOT want to vote for lincoln, were intimidated into doing so. the election of 1864 was in a word, a MOCKERY.

If McClellan received votes then your theory doesn't stand.

1,310 posted on 03/23/2004 8:49:21 AM PST by #3Fan (Kerry to POW-MIA activists: "You'll wish you'd never been born.". Link on my homepage.)
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To: #3Fan
WRONG ANSWER. NOT "a theory", FACT.

the FACT that "little mac" received ANY votes is a sign that SOME FEW bluebellies were NOT intimidated by the lincoln regime.

btw, in some union camps, lincoln received 4-10 times the number of votes than the units had PERSONS!

the '64 election was a MOCKERY! nothing more,nothing less.

free dixie,sw

1,311 posted on 03/23/2004 8:54:25 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: #3Fan
You've spent half this thread trying to say the conventions were legitimate. Are you now saying they were illegitimate?

Nope. stand watie wrote, 'the so-called "declarations" were NOT official documents in ANY state & that NO state EVER sponsored/endorsed the so-called "declarations"'. A point with which I agree. They are not the official documents of the conventions.

There were Declarations of Secession spelling out exactly why secession took place and they say the reason was slavery, the south's own wprds.

The material prosperity of the North was greatly dependent on the Federal Government; that of the the South not at all. In the first years of the Republic the navigating, commercial, and manufacturing interests of the North began to seek profit and aggrandizement at the expense of the agricultural interests. Even the owners of fishing smacks sought and obtained bounties for pursuing their own business (which yet continue), and $500,000 is now paid them annually out of the Treasury. The navigating interests begged for protection against foreign shipbuilders and against competition in the coasting trade. Congress granted both requests, and by prohibitory acts gave an absolute monopoly of this business to each of their interests, which they enjoy without diminution to this day. Not content with these great and unjust advantages, they have sought to throw the legitimate burden of their business as much as possible upon the public; they have succeeded in throwing the cost of light-houses, buoys, and the maintenance of their seamen upon the Treasury, and the Government now pays above $2,000,000 annually for the support of these objects. Theses interests, in connection with the commercial and manufacturing classes, have also succeeded, by means of subventions to mail steamers and the reduction in postage, in relieving their business from the payment of about $7,000,000 annually, throwing it upon the public Treasury under the name of postal deficiency. The manufacturing interests entered into the same struggle early, and has clamored steadily for Government bounties and special favors. This interest was confined mainly to the Eastern and Middle non-slave-holding States. Wielding these great States it held great power and influence, and its demands were in full proportion to its power. The manufacturers and miners wisely based their demands upon special facts and reasons rather than upon general principles, and thereby mollified much of the opposition of the opposing interest. They pleaded in their favor the infancy of their business in this country, the scarcity of labor and capital, the hostile legislation of other countries toward them, the great necessity of their fabrics in the time of war, and the necessity of high duties to pay the debt incurred in our war for independence.
Remember Lincoln was all in favor of an Amendment that would have guaranteed slavery forever, his inaugural speech spoke of allowing the states to secede as long as the turned over the imposts.
1,312 posted on 03/23/2004 8:54:34 AM PST by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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To: #3Fan
My Texas link. You saw it.

Nope. I'm afraid I have haven't seen a link that proves election fraud in Texas. Please post your proof.

1,313 posted on 03/23/2004 8:56:13 AM PST by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Jefferson Davis was elected interim President by the constittional convention on 9 Feb 1861.

I don't think Stand Watie sees him as legitimate then. lol

1,314 posted on 03/23/2004 8:56:25 AM PST by #3Fan (Kerry to POW-MIA activists: "You'll wish you'd never been born.". Link on my homepage.)
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To: HistorianDorisKearnsGoodwad
Congress did not agree with you.

It doesn't matter if they agreed with me or not, Congress often does things that are unConstitutional. Regardless, Congress never had the opportunity to set the terms so how do you know they disagree with me?

1,315 posted on 03/23/2004 8:58:33 AM PST by #3Fan (Kerry to POW-MIA activists: "You'll wish you'd never been born.". Link on my homepage.)
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To: #3Fan
What interference?

DOCUMENTED in posts 1157, 1202, 1209 and 1240 among others.

1,316 posted on 03/23/2004 8:59:17 AM PST by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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To: stand watie
if you think that's hard to believe, go check out the OFFICIAL joint resolution of Congress on INTENTIONAL MISTREATMENT of CSA POWs! the resolution is in the Congressional Record.

Were Union POWs treated well? [truth test]

1,317 posted on 03/23/2004 8:59:35 AM PST by #3Fan (Kerry to POW-MIA activists: "You'll wish you'd never been born.". Link on my homepage.)
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To: #3Fan
the rate of ANY crimes in the CSA was LOW, for at least 3 reasons:

1. CSA soldiers were on their own ground most of the time,

2.the CSA High Command PUNISHED criminals HARSELY,QUICKLY and PUBLICALLY,

3.AND, unlike in the northern armies, WAR CRIMES were NOT an essential part of the overall war plan.

free dixie,sw

1,318 posted on 03/23/2004 9:01:23 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: stand watie
WRONG ANSWER. NOT "a theory", FACT. the FACT that "little mac" received ANY votes is a sign that SOME FEW bluebellies were NOT intimidated by the lincoln regime. btw, in some union camps, lincoln received 4-10 times the number of votes than the units had PERSONS!

Prove it happened and it was sanctioned by Lincoln.

1,319 posted on 03/23/2004 9:03:30 AM PST by #3Fan (Kerry to POW-MIA activists: "You'll wish you'd never been born.". Link on my homepage.)
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To: #3Fan
sorry, dummy, but this has been posted before on the forum from a book on Stanton's personal papers.

i'm not in the mood to go on a hunt through the FR threads for the source, especially for a BIGOT/FOOL/war crimes-DENYER.

go look for a source yourself.

free dixie,sw

1,320 posted on 03/23/2004 9:06:52 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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