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"Then I suggest you pay more attention to these threads, as I think you've mischaracterized them. I also think you've misunderstood the Bush Administration's intentions regarding Illegals."

I think I characterized most of these threads quite accurately, 90% of them turn into flame wars

"How many more Tom Ridge links do you need?

How many freight-train loopholes in the President's own comments do you need to see?"

I saw and heard what Tom Ridge said, but I am still waiting for that ever illusive White house proposal, we can speculate all day long, but I'll wait until I see the actual proposal before I condemn it

"Is a criticism of this President "Bush-bashing," if it's true?

After the President signed the McCain-Feingold CFR, there were a number of contentious threads. Many of FR's Bush-loyslists put forth the proposition that this was brilliant stategery, that he'd taken the Democrats issue away, that the SCOTUS would throw it out anyway."

I was one that thought the signing of CFR was a rational decision, mainly because it had sever-ability. My mistake was that I believed the SCOTUS understood the Constitution. So YES you were correct, Bush should not have signed CFR. As far as claiming that I, or anyone else who doesn't switch to the Libertarian Party the first time GWB does something I disagree with is a Bushbot, I think that's as childish as it gets.

I think I agree with about 75% of what this President has done so far, That's a number I can very much live with and I will continue to send my letters of complaint when he does things I don't. If that makes me a Bushbot in your world, So be it. But one thing is for sure, I will never go off the deep end over something that hasn't even been proposed yet. That's like selling your farm because the weather man says we might not get any rain next year

I saw and heard what Tom Ridge said, but I am still waiting for that ever illusive White house proposal, we can speculate all day long, but I'll wait until I see the actual proposal before I condemn it

This is like waitiing until it snows to put on a jacket, when it's below freezing and the storm clouds are in the sky.

I was one that thought the signing of CFR was a rational decision, mainly because it had sever-ability. My mistake was that I believed the SCOTUS understood the Constitution. So YES you were correct, Bush should not have signed CFR.

Then, were those of us who were correctly criticizing his decion at the time thereby engaging in "Bush-bashing?"

As far as claiming that I, or anyone else who doesn't switch to the Libertarian Party the first time GWB does something I disagree with is a Bushbot, I think that's as childish as it gets.

I don't believe that I used the term "Bushbot." I said "Bush-loyalist."
This is a deflection.

I think I agree with about 75% of what this President has done so far, That's a number I can very much live with and I will continue to send my letters of complaint when he does things I don't. If that makes me a Bushbot in your world, So be it. But one thing is for sure, I will never go off the deep end over something that hasn't even been proposed yet. That's like selling your farm because the weather man says we might not get any rain next year.

I think we've dealt with the "Bushbot" thing.
For weather analogies, see mine above.
However, to take yours to its logical conclusion, to ignore the Bush Administration's clear signals of a desire to legalize Illegal Aliens is to ignore the weather forecast altogether by failing to take any preparations for drought.

"I think I characterized most of these threads quite accurately, 90% of them turn into flame wars"

Yes, and why do they turn into flame wars? Because some group think totalitarians get on them and start with the racist, xenophobe, nazi type name calling. I don't include you in that group. I haven't read every post you've made, but the ones you do make appear reasoned. However, there are some alleged conservatives on this site who put the lefties to shame with their emotional hate spewing diatribes that totally ignore all facts.

"I saw and heard what Tom Ridge said, but I am still waiting for that ever illusive White house proposal, we can speculate all day long, but I'll wait until I see the actual proposal before I condemn it"

When you look at the number of amnesty proposals in congress right now, in combination with the coordinated media campaign to show the suffering of the undocumented workers, I believe it is better to take preemptive action than sit back and see what happens. If you are right, no biggie, a bunch of people have contacted the politicians to say they don't support an amnesty. Where's the harm in that? If OTOH, they are trying to gauge public reaction, then the more people contacting them the better.

I believe there is more to being a good citizen than voting every few years. That is the absolute bare minimum of citizenship. It is our duty, our responsibilty, to know what the politicians are doing, and to inform them of what we want them to do.