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So let me get this straight. Setting aside the well know quote that politics is the art of the possible for both sides, you've simply decided that everything Obama says is a lie. Therefore, in your mind, that personal opinion constitutes a logical axiom that must discredit the facts of his biography.

As Mr. Spock would say: “Fascinating.”

We deal with liberal posters who cannot think logical, or they are without personal integrity by being selfish becuase Obama wants to bring about material wealth transfers, which they want to benefit.

Case in point. Obama and his supporters have been caught in hundreds of lies if not thousands over the last two years that can be confirmed.

Logic: Obama lies all the time probably everyday, therefore, he should not be believed in anything he says. This same logical should and are applied to Obama’s origins. Obama says he was born in Hawaii but evidence and Obama’s behavior say otherwise. However, the troll posters here say Obama was born in Hawaii without equivocation or deny the issue has any meaning - a complete logical disconnect.

And by-the-by, I am also aware of Apuzzo’s convoluted opinion as to how Obama could have not lost British citizenship. Since he avoids discussing aspects of statute that do not support his opinion, and since British scholars don't seem to agree, I just don't care.

But if you do wind up saving me from kippers for breakfast, I suppose I would be grateful.

Egads! Are we a colony again?

Must we have kippers for breakfast?

As to your startling news, it's not dirty, not exactly correct, and the truth actually in it is not a secret to anyone paying attention.

“The Rocky Mountain News did in fact run an online article asserting that Barack Obama holds both American and Kenyan citizenship. The article was incorrect, and the paper removed the item from the article and ran a correction. The paper's editor, John Temple, formally apologized for the error in an Aug. 15, 2007, column. Neither the correction nor the apology has prevented the column from circulating across the Internet as part of the latest set of baseless rumors that Obama is ineligible to run for president.

There was a grain of truth to what the Rocky Mountain News reported, though understanding why requires a brief history lesson.

When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom's dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.’s children:

British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.

In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC.

Obama’s British citizenship was short-lived. On Dec. 12, 1963, Kenya formally gained its independence from the United Kingdom. Chapter VI, Section 87 of the Kenyan Constitution specifies that:

1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963...

2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.

As a citizen of the UKC who was born in Kenya, Obama’s father automatically received Kenyan citizenship via subsection (1). So given that Obama qualified for citizen of the UKC status at birth and given that Obama’s father became a Kenyan citizen via subsection (1), it follows that Obama did in fact have Kenyan citizenship after 1963. So The Rocky Mountain News was at least partially correct.

But the paper failed to note that the Kenyan Constitution prohibits dual citizenship for adults. Kenya recognizes dual citizenship for children, but Kenya's Constitution specifies that at age 23, Kenyan citizens who possesses citizenship in more than one country automatically lose their Kenyan citizenship unless they formally renounce any non-Kenyan citizenship and swear an oath of allegiance to Kenya.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1984."

So long as the state of Hawaii does not dispute Obama’s claim that he was born there, this stuff is meaningless.

You are absolutely right, I have not denied that!

But here is the dirty little secret you ought to know, that your usurper in the W.H. TODAY still is a British citizen, yes, as he himself proclaim a World citizen, because of the BNA he is also a E.U. citizen, hello!!!

I am sure he could, but don’t need to, is getting the pay check from the basement of the W.H. via Aporn as an Alinsky stooge!!!

Facts are meaningless to the Birther crowd. They simply want Obama out, and they don't care how it's done. So whatever accomplishes that must be true.

Fortunately, we have a legal system that does care how things are done. We'd all be in potential jeopardy if this kind of emotional furor was allowed to rule the day. Even the birthers wouldn't like it if they had to face the consequences of their low standards of evidence and legal actionability becoming norms.

A handful of newspaper articles do not constitute legal documentation. So long as the state of Hawaii does not dispute Obama’s claim that he was born there, this stuff is meaningless.

That’s a wonderful troll list you’ve got there.

It's the best out in the open troll list on FR.

Your patience, focus and diligence stand out on this thread.

He released pictures of his COLB, a hard copy of which is just as good for the purposes of proving place of birth in any court of low or any Federal agency.

Danamco, Ms. Un-curios can work as a Ringling Brothers Barnum & Bailey circus clown.

He released pictures of his COLB, a hard copy of which is just as good for the purposes of proving place of birth in any court of low or any Federal agency. Now it's true, a hard copy, not just a picture, is necessary for proof, but sending out a hard copy to every citizen who requests one doesn't seem like a reasonable demand to me.

It would, however, be reasonable even to you, that the affirmative action, illegal alien, and the usurper you have in the White House, according to the Annenberg's stooges' misinformation, that he was at birth Kenyan citizen, but they did NOT tell you, that he was also, and IS still today, - as we speak,- a BRITISH CITIZEN according to the BNA!!!

Would you argue that is not TRUE???