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  • The Truth About Pearl Harbor: A Debate [Did FDR know about Japan's plans in advance?]

    12/08/2009 3:27:52 PM PST · 200 of 200
    nkycincinnatikid to Tublecane

    Roosevelt utterly ignored the plight of China in his determination to counter the European eastern front death war against Stalin.
    Stalin capitalized upon the destruction of China by the Japanese. When did Stalin declare war against the Japanese?

  • The Truth About Pearl Harbor: A Debate [Did FDR know about Japan's plans in advance?]

    12/08/2009 3:17:29 PM PST · 199 of 200
    Tublecane to nkycincinnatikid

    “giving them half of Europe and eventually throwing in China as Roosevelt did”

    We can’t lay China on Roosevelt’s doorstep. But I’ve always wondered why more people don’t complain about the fact that we wasted all that blood and money on liberating Europe just to hand it over to another tyrant. For it’s pretty much just as much territory that Stalin conquered as what Hitler marched into, yes? The spectre of the holocaust and anti-Hitler propaganda probably did the job. That and the powerful unconscious desire to believe it wasn’t all worthless.

  • The Truth About Pearl Harbor: A Debate [Did FDR know about Japan's plans in advance?]

    12/08/2009 3:12:27 PM PST · 198 of 200
    Tublecane to SoCal Pubbie

    “Can you explain the fact that Japan never declared war on France, nor England before Dec.of 1941, even with the Tripartite Agreement in affect, which others have cited as proof that Germany would fight the U.S. if it came to blows with Japan?”

    I can’t fully explain why Germany declared war on the U.S. I don’t think they should have. Perhaps they thought it would pressure Japan to join the war against Russia. Perhaps they were spooked into it by factors beyond my knowledge. In any case, it wasn’t because of the agreement itself, since like most international agreements it was defensive.

    As for Japan, it didn’t declare war on France because it had no reason to. Nothing much to gain.

  • The Truth About Pearl Harbor: A Debate [Did FDR know about Japan's plans in advance?]

    12/08/2009 2:40:40 PM PST · 197 of 200
    nkycincinnatikid to KevinDavis

    Why in the world do you believe America would have been involved in the Great War if the American President had simply maintained a real neutrality as even Wilsons first but sacked Sec of State Wm J Bryant demanded? And I must be missing something for in 1940 how could Taft have ignored the Soviet threat to a greater degree than giving them half of Europe and eventually throwing in China as Roosevelt did?

  • The Truth About Pearl Harbor: A Debate [Did FDR know about Japan's plans in advance?]

    12/08/2009 2:13:20 PM PST · 196 of 200
    SoCal Pubbie to Tublecane
    Can you explain the fact that Japan never declared war on France, nor England before Dec.of 1941, even with the Tripartite Agreement in affect, which others have cited as proof that Germany would fight the U.S. if it came to blows with Japan?
  • The Truth About Pearl Harbor: A Debate [Did FDR know about Japan's plans in advance?]

    12/08/2009 2:03:00 PM PST · 195 of 200
    rlmorel to ReignOfError

    I see it multiple times a year, not just on December 7th. Conspiracy theories have no time limitations.

  • The Truth About Pearl Harbor: A Debate [Did FDR know about Japan's plans in advance?]

    12/08/2009 1:30:51 PM PST · 194 of 200
    ReignOfError to rlmorel
    Not Pearl Harbor Day.

    The “Roosevelt arranged for the death of 2000 American Sailors” thing.

    Which seems to come up like clockwork ... and has appeared on December 7 ... think there's a connection?

  • The Truth About Pearl Harbor: A Debate [Did FDR know about Japan's plans in advance?]

    12/08/2009 12:19:45 PM PST · 193 of 200
    U S Army EOD to Tallguy

    If you can get the game “Great Naval Battles of the Atlantic III or IV”, they are all in there. It mentions what you say about the Alaska class. I think there are two of them. The Alaska does just fine as long as no one is shooting at her. The Iowa’s are quite impressive.

  • The Truth About Pearl Harbor: A Debate [Did FDR know about Japan's plans in advance?]

    12/08/2009 11:43:37 AM PST · 192 of 200
    jamaksin to Tublecane
    N.B., FDR prior to 1940 election and vote on the draft was a different FDR from that afterwards.

    Review the copy of the FDR draft of the "Day of Infamy" speech - on display at the FDRL at Hyde Park, NY - note what is edited out.

    The German declaration of war against the US was delivered to the American embassy in Berlin - the cause noted was the several/many violations of neutrality by the US in the Atlantic - not the Japanese attack at Pearl Harbor.;

  • The Truth About Pearl Harbor: A Debate [Did FDR know about Japan's plans in advance?]

    12/08/2009 11:35:13 AM PST · 191 of 200
    Tublecane to WKUHilltopper

    “I’m not a ‘9/11 was an inside job’ type of guy, but now I’m starting to wonder—given our track record.”

    9/11 being an “inside job” is a little different from the Pearl Harbor conspiracy theories, in that the government would have had to plan and execute it, whereas all FDR did was let it happen. Of course, wackos like Jesse Ventura repeat endlessly that all they’re saying is the government has left unanswered questions, and such. But we know what they really mean to say is that the government did it.

  • The Truth About Pearl Harbor: A Debate [Did FDR know about Japan's plans in advance?]

    12/08/2009 11:31:37 AM PST · 190 of 200
    jamaksin to colorado tanker
    I can follow your logic - thank you for presenting it.

    There are some items to add however to expand the purview: Japan fought on the side of the Allies in WW I, mainly on behalf of the British in the Med as convoy escorts - as a result at that French place with all the mirrors, Japan got the so-called Mandates (e.g., Carolinas, ...) which were German; they also got "entree" into China as a trading partner - built railroads, etc., but, then China had this systemic problem - Mao that is. [Just who Lost China?]...

    As to "preparedness" - the decision was made to supply arms to many countries out of US stock pre-Pearl Harbor, to include the newest and front line. Research, for example, why an advanced A-20 (HAVOC) check-ride crash yielded a French officer's body; why the Pacific Fleet was screaming for PBY's and got very few yet Britain got hundreds, why the US Army trained with sticks when tens of thousands of Springfield rifles plus tons ammunition went to Britain, why the B-17s arriving at Pearl Harbor on 7Dec41 were originally slotted to Britain, or ...

    Just whose military was the US taxpayer buying to equip? The composition of Admiral Hart's fleet - no carriers, no battleships, one heavy cruiser, ... MacArthur called it a yatch club. It got no respect from the Japanese.

    After 22Jun41, review the the Lend-Lease shipments and to whom. Those shipments adversely impacted American "preparedness."

  • The Truth About Pearl Harbor: A Debate [Did FDR know about Japan's plans in advance?]

    12/08/2009 11:26:14 AM PST · 189 of 200
    Tublecane to SoCal Pubbie

    “If it was just a matter of letting Pearl Harbor happen, why didn’t FDR ask for a declaration of war against Germany on Dec. 8, instead of waiting until after Hitler’s declaration on Dec. 11?”

    It wasn’t just a matter of letting Pearl Harbor happen, in my opinion. But fine, let’s say it was, they could easily be waiting for Germany to declare war. Or waiting for some contingency or another. There are a million causes for war. Probably would have gone with the old U-boat standby.

    The idea, to me, that we only went to war with Germany because they declared war on us, when they possessed no threat outside of the threat that had existed on the high seas for a while, is outlandish. After all we had done, with lend-lease and repeatedly calling Germany the aggressor, how anyone can imagine we’d fight Japan and still leave Britain alone is beyond me.

  • The Truth About Pearl Harbor: A Debate [Did FDR know about Japan's plans in advance?]

    12/08/2009 10:10:42 AM PST · 188 of 200
    colorado tanker to SunkenCiv
    Never wondered how the Japanese didn't find any of the carriers at Pearl? Weird coincidence.

    I've always considered it evidence that Murphy's Law doesn't just sabotage us, it can also do in others.

    It's a "what if" I don't want to play. What if they had been at Pearl? No Battle of the Coral Sea? New Guinea occupied? No Midway? Australia invaded? I just don't even want to think about it. Yamamoto may have been more right than he's been given credit for.

  • The Truth About Pearl Harbor: A Debate [Did FDR know about Japan's plans in advance?]

    12/08/2009 10:02:47 AM PST · 187 of 200
    colorado tanker to SunkenCiv; Tallguy
    I just don't buy the conspiracy theories. Japan had been waging a war of aggression and conquest in Manchuria and China for years. The US embargo was a fairly weak response IMHO.

    The Japanese decided they needed the oil, rubber and other resources of Indochina, Malaya and the Dutch West Indies in addition to China. The main problem, of course, was the American presence in the Philippines and the Asiatic Fleet sitting athwart the lines of communication south. Yamamoto understood that taking out the Philippines would mean war with America and he understood just how vast our population and economic power was. Thus, the logic lead to the gamble that taking out the fleet at Pearl in addition to the Philippines would buy Japan enough time to consolidate it's conquests and achieve superiority in the Pacific. A number of people in Washington believed an attack was imminent, thus the several warnings sent to Pearl. Most, however, thought the blow would fall in the Philippines and not so far east as Pearl. The bigger scandal IMHO was MacArthur's lack of preparedness. He probably couldn't have defeated the invasion, but he took needless losses in the first blows.

    Some Americans wanted to believe the Communist bloc hostility to America and the West was our fault. Some Americans believe Islamofascist hostility to America is our fault. Similarly, some Americans insist we, not the fascists, were somehow responsible for WWII. I don't buy it. Japan, Germany and Italy were all engaged in wars of aggression before we finally came into the war.

    Tora Tora Tora fairly closely follows the At Dawn We Slept narrative, which to me is persuasive that our lack of preparedness was due to mistakes, not conspiracies.