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BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.S. fighter jets and attack helicopters killed about 70 militants around the western Iraqi city of Ramadi, the military said on Monday after a landmark vote that appears to have ratified a new constitution. Election officials slowly counted up to 10 million ballots from Saturday's referendum, with partial results pointing to a clear win for a charter Washington hopes will help establish Iraq as a stable democracy able to do without U.S. troops. The violence in Ramadi, a rebellious city about 110 km (68 miles) west of Baghdad, highlighted the challenge posed by Sunni Arab insurgents bitterly...

Sunni Arab voters turned out in force for Iraq's constitutional referendum Saturday as insurgents largely suspended attacks... Voting en masse for the first time since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, Sunni Arabs cast ballots in large numbers ... Turnout reached 93 percent in the heavily Sunni western city of Fallujah after clerics and others went door-to-door telling residents it was safe to venture out of their homes, ... "We came because we hope the future will be better," Ahmed said, reflexively waving her ink-stained finger in a now-worn symbol of hope from the last election. "We are hoping it will...

WASHINGTON, Oct. 17, 2005 – President Bush congratulated the Iraqi people Oct. 16 for the success of their constitutional referendum Oct. 15. "On behalf of the American people, I'd like to congratulate the people of Iraq for the successful completion of a vote on their draft constitution," Bush said. "By all indications, the turnout was greater than the turnout from the last-January election, which is good news. By all indications, the Sunnis participated in greater numbers in this election than last time. And that's good news." The president said he was pleased that the level of violence in this election...

WASHINGTON, Oct. 16, 2005 – Officials are counting the votes in Iraq's historic constitutional referendum and people are asking whether the people of Iraq have accepted or rejected their new constitution. But to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad, the results of yesterday's referendum are less important than the fact that Iraq had a highly successful and relatively peaceful election in which the Sunnis participated in very large numbers. "Whatever happens with the referendum ... the Iraqi people clearly are taking advantage of the political process to make their views known, and that's bad...

Press sees hope after Iraq vote Newspapers in the Middle East are encouraged by the Iraqi constitution referendum, although they see a long road ahead until stability is achieved. In Iraq itself, where many papers have failed to publish over the past few days because of an election holiday, one daily is optimistic, while another links the vote to a call for the expulsion of a controversial Iranian rebel group. Ali Khlayf in Iraq's pro-Shiite Al-Adalah The fact that cannot be denied or concealed is that Iraqis have defeated their enemies: terrorists, dark forces and those who dream of...

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Election workers announced "unusually high" vote counts in Iraq's landmark referendum on the draft constitution, saying Monday that they will audit results showing unexpected ratios of "yes" to "no" votes from some parts of the country.

Initial results from Iraq's constitutional referendum, as reported by election officials in each province. The figures are from the first tallies done by each province's counting centers, which must be sent to Baghdad for another check and compilation. The final official figures, likely to be announced no sooner than Wednesday, may differ. The names of each province is followed by its capital in parentheses. No information was available from Baghdad province; the northern Kurdish provinces of Dahuk, and Irbil; and the central province of Salahuddin. In some cases, elections officials gave only rounded figures. West-Central Iraq: ANBAR (Ramadi): Figures only...

We won again! For a second time, the Iraqi people proved the Western mainstream media, Islamist radicals, self-righteous and nihilistic war protestors, disaffected Democrats, and neo-isolationists wrong: the referendum on the new constitution was successful. The Sunni minority participated in the polling and those among them voting "no" were swamped by the positive outcome. Iraq will have its new constitution. The transforming intervention led by President George W. Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair will succeed. The global sweep of bourgeois revolution will continue, centering on Iraq's neighbors: monarchical Saudi Arabia, statist Syria, and theocratic Iran. But how long will...

T is probable that the Iraqis have agreed to the new constitution. Its passing is almost certain because the majority, both Shiite and Kurds, support it. The Sunnis, on the other hand, look at the constitution as a death sentence. They fear that the document, drafted as it was by a Kurdish-Shiite-dominated Parliament, will ultimately divide Iraq into three separate districts: A powerful ministate of Kurds in the north and the majority Shiites in the south, both capitalizing on Iraq’s oil wealth. The Sunnis, according to this scenario, would be left impoverished and isolated somewhere in the middle. Such a...

Iraq's landmark constitution seemed assured of passage Sunday after initial results showed minority Sunni Arabs had fallen short in an effort to veto it at the polls. The apparent acceptance was a major step in the attempt to establish a democratic government that could lead to the withdrawal of U.S. troops. Opponents failed to secure the necessary two-thirds "no" vote in any three of Iraqi's 18 provinces, according to counts that local officials provided to The Associated Press. In the crucial central provinces with mixed ethnic and religious populations, enough Shiites and Kurds voted to stymie the Sunni bid to...

• There appears to have been good news this weekend when the men and women of Iraq went to the polls to vote in a referendum on approving the new Constitution. • The good news isn’t that the Constitution will be approved. That has been a more-or-less foregone conclusion for a while. The real news is that the Sunnis came out big numbers in their provinces in an attempt to defeat it. Dear Mr. Galen...You think Sunnis voting to defeat the Constitution is good news? What would, by you, be bad news? Signed, The New York Times Committee for the...

The cognitive dissonance on display whenever the media attempts to cover an election gone right is truly a sight to see. Watching the vote progress in Iraq throughout the day on Saturday, one was left with the unfortunate impression that there would have been a lot less squirming in the anchor chairs if there had been mass bloodshed in the streets of Baghdad rather than a marked decrease in violence since the last election or if five percent of Sunnis had come out to vote instead of 65 percent. Even in the absence of tragedy, some reporters were unwilling to...

LONDON, Oct. 17 (UPI) -- British officials say as many as 70 young Muslim men have left the country for Iraq to fight in the insurgency against the U.S.-led occupation. The London Sunday Times cited unnamed British counterterrorism officials whom it did not quote directly, except to describe the movement of young fanatics to Iraq in the past two years as "a steady trickle." The paper said Iraqi insurgent leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi had set up a network in Britain "to recruit and train would-be suicide bombers and gunmen." It said the group was called Ansar al-Fath, or Partisans of...

When the history of freedom in the Middle East is written, this weekend’s vote on the Iraqi constitution may be remembered as a watershed moment. High voter turnout, widespread participation (and approval) by the Sunni minority, and an increasingly effective Iraqi police force all demonstrate a nation struggling toward a democratic, pluralistic future. This is the latest milepost that the Iraqi people are charting a course independent of the mostly foreign-born “insurgents” using their homeland to wage jihad against the Great Satan that purchased their nation’s liberation with its own blood – and once again, as in January’s election, the...

<p>We won't know for sure until all of Saturday's votes are counted whether the seriously flawed constitution offered by Iraq's Shiite religious and Kurdish nationalist parties was accepted as a starting point for necessary amendments. Early signs pointed in that direction. Sunni Arabs, the group most skeptical of the new charter, seem to have turned out in far greater numbers than in January's parliamentary elections. But according to initial reports, significant numbers of them voted yes.</p>

Washington Oct 16: The United States President, Mr George W Bush hailed Saturday’s referendum on a new Iraqi constitution as a ‘severe blow’ to insurgents and a ‘critical step’ towards democracy in Iraq. Iraqis who voted on Saturday had sent a clear message to the world that they “will decide the future of their country through peaceful elections, not violent insurgency,” the President said in his weekly radio address, shortly before the polls closed. Describing the referendum as a “critical step forward in Iraq’s march toward democracy,” Mr Bush praised the constitutional draft which is strongly opposed by many Sunni...

For most of the 30 months since American-led forces ousted Saddam Hussein, the Bush administration has argued that as democracy took hold in Iraq, the insurgency would lose steam because Al Qaeda and the opponents of the country's interim government had nothing to offer Iraqis or the people of the Middle East. Over time, President Bush told troops at Fort Bragg, N.C., this spring, "the terrorists will lose their sponsors, lose their recruits, and lose their hopes for turning that region into a base for attacks on America and our allies around the world." But inside the administration, that belief...

I recently tried to estimate relative levels of support for Iraqi terrorists and for the constitutional process. My estimate was that participators in the constitutional process outnumbered supporters of terrorism by at least four to one. This was calculated from the lowest end estimate of turnout in the election, around 50%. If the turnout was nearer 60%, as seems likely, then the margin is more like eight to one. The national turnout in yesterday's referendum is not yet known. It is clear, however, that in Sunni areas, where turnout in the election was worryingly low, turnout in the referendum was...

This is the new face of Democracy in the world. The face of Iraqis as they celebrate the vote on their constitution. It has been a tough process and it is not yet complete, but for them it is yet another giant step towards establishing their own democracy. Some say it is a brutal and senseless conflict, but if we look back to the birth of our own nation, was their any less conflict? Was the constitution written and accepted in its first draft? Or was it debated at length and amended to include the Bill of Rights before being...

CNN's Saturday night coverage of the special vote being held in Iraq began with this comment by anchor Carol Lin: (this is a paraphrase, as I did not write down the exact quote.) "Iraqi voters went to the polls today to vote on the new constitution, with nothing less than George Bush's presidency hanging in the balance." It is just astounding to me how slanted the news media have become. Across the sea, in a land where totalitarianism and dictatorship have been the order of the day for decades on end, an oppressed, embattled people went to the polls to...

My lefty pastor and all those social-justice types are always so concerned about the "devestating effects of the war" on Iraqis. All those poor innocent people getting killed! But is the war really creating more death and destruction? There's no arguing with a liberal; I've learned that long ago. Saddam Hussein starved hundreds of thousands of his own people, but my lefty pastor always blames it on the sanctions. Well, while the Saddamites were living it up in the sort of preposterous luxury which would embarrass a media mogul, laundering food aid for cash and weapons, those poor people weren't...

Iraqis celebrate a 'yes' vote in the constitutional referendum in front of the Imam Hussein Shrine on a car with a poster of Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, in the southern Iraq city of Kerbala, late October 16, 2005. Iraqis look to have voted 'Yes' to their U.S.-brokered constitution, as poll workers counted and recounted piles of ballots across Iraq on Sunday and the possibility of a Sunni minority veto receded. Election officials said partial official results from the vote could be available as early as Sunday, but that it would take several days for the verdict to become totally clear....

Initial results from Iraq's constitutional referendum, as reported by election officials in each province. The figures are from the first tallies done by each province's counting centers, which must be sent to Baghdad for another check and compilation. The final official figures, likely to be announced no sooner than Tuesday, may differ. The names of each province is followed by its capital in parentheses. No information was available from Baghdad province; the southern province of Babil; the northern Kurdish provinces of Dahuk, Suleimaniyah and Irbil; and the central province of Salahuddin. In some cases, elections officials gave only rounded figures....

(AP) — They turned out to vote this time, but appeared to have lost at the polls. Sunni Arabs, a minority that had traditionally formed Iraq's ruling class, came out of their political isolation Saturday to vote in droves on a draft constitution that many of them see as flawed. Accounting for just 20 percent of Iraq's estimated 27 million people, they mostly voted "no," but the charter seemed virtually certain of passage. But adoption of the charter does give the Sunnis a political window. A repeat of the Saturday's turnout in December could change that and may even allow...

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraq's landmark constitution seemed assured of passage after initial results Sunday showed that a strong push by minority Sunni Arabs to veto fell short — a major step in the attempt to establish a democratic government that could set the stage for the eventual withdrawal of U.S. troops. ADVERTISEMENT Opponents failed to secure the necessary two-thirds "no" vote in any three of Iraqi's 18 provinces, according to counts that local officials provided to The Associated Press. In the crucial central provinces with mixed ethnic and religious populations, enough Shiites and Kurds voted to stymie the Sunni bid...

I have a novel idea for the Bush administration. Let's give a medal to someone who's actually done a good job. My candidate would be Zalmay Khalilzad, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, who has been doing yeoman service there. Last week he snatched a small victory from the jaws of defeat by getting the largest organized Sunni group, the Iraqi Islamic Party, to agree with the Shia and Kurds on amendments to the new Iraqi constitution. The effect of these amendments was to lessen the import of Saturday's vote for the constitution. The constitution can now be amended at will...

BAGHDAD - Sunni Arabs voted in surprisingly high numbers on Iraq's new constitution Saturday, many of them hoping to defeat it in an intense competition with Shiites and Kurds over the shape of the nation's young democracy after decades of dictatorship. With little violence, turnout was more than 66 percent in the three most crucial provinces. The constitution still seemed likely to pass, as expected. But the large Sunni turnout made it possible that the vote would be close or even go the other way, and late Saturday it appeared at least two of a required three provinces might reject...

PRESIDENTIAL NEWS OF THE DAY: President and Mrs. Bush returned to the White House a few hours ago, where the President made a short statement about the Iraqi vote yesterday. THE PRESIDENT: On behalf of the American people, I'd like to congratulate the people of Iraq for the successful completion of a vote on their draft constitution. By all indications, the turnout was greater than the turnout from the last January election, which is good news. By all indications, the Sunnis participated in greater numbers in this election than last time. And that's good news. After all, the purpose of...

For the cooped-up children of bomb-weary Baghdad, referendum day was a winner, no matter what the final outcome. A security ban on private vehicles, invoked to keep would-be bombers from reaching targets, had a blissful side effect: The boys and girls of Baghdad took back the streets for a day. "Do you want us to tell you something?" asked Tamara Majeed, 11, when a visitor interrupted her friends as they sketched a chalk outline for tuki -- a form of hopscotch -- in the middle of a potholed street in Sadr City, a Shiite Muslim district of 2 million. Barely...

Since the Iraq draft constitution was finalized on Sunday Sept. 18, Christian leaders have expressed deep concern about the threat to religious tolerance that could emerge upon the adoption of the constitution in October. Prior to the passage of the draft constitution by the Iraqi parliament last Sunday, the patriarch of Baghdad for the Chaldeans had a meeting with the president and prime minister of Iraq on behalf of the Iraqi Bishops’ Conference to make a last-minute call on the change of the draft constitution, according to a report by the Catholic News Service (CNS). "The bishops' conference expressed a...

BAGHDAD, Iraq Oct 16, 2005 — Iraq's landmark constitution seemed assured of passage Sunday after initial results showed minority Sunni Arabs had fallen short in an effort to veto it at the polls. The apparent acceptance was a major step in the attempt to establish a democratic government that could lead to the withdrawal of U.S. troops. Opponents failed to secure the necessary two-thirds "no" vote in any three of Iraqi's 18 provinces, according to counts that local officials provided to The Associated Press. In the crucial central provinces with mixed ethnic and religious populations, enough Shiites and Kurds voted...

BAGHDAD, Iraq — Former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein (search) was not among the Iraqi detainees who cast ballots Thursday on the proposed Iraqi constitution, as U.S. and Iraqi forces stepped up security across the country to impede insurgent attacks aimed at derailing Saturday's referendum.Non-convicted detainees, including Saddam, whose trial is set to begin Oct. 19, were allowed to cast votes Thursday but the former leader was not among those voting, Judge Nadham Farhan of the Iraqi Special Tribunal told FOX News. The reason for his abstaining was not immediately known.The rest of Iraq was scheduled to vote on Saturday, ...

BAGHDAD, Iraq -- Iraq's constitution seemed headed toward passage Sunday despite strong opposition from Sunni Arabs, who turned out in surprisingly high numbers in an effort to stop it. The apparent victory was muted, though, by the prospect that the result might divide the country further. Rejection seemed more unlikely as vote-counting continued across the country. In one key result, Ninevah, one of three crucial northern and central provinces that Sunni Arab opponents pushed hard to swing their way, appeared to have voted "yes" by a considerable margin. In London, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice predicted the charter was likely...

Iraqis turned out in force yesterday -- including Sunni Arabs who boycotted the nationwide election in January -- to vote "yes" or "no" on a constitution viewed as a bellwether in efforts to build a democracy and stop terrorist attacks. The day went smoothly with few attacks, from the time whole families began trickling into the polling stations early in the morning until voting ended at 5 p.m. Officials estimated the turnout as high as 60 percent, slightly higher than the 58 percent of Iraqi voters who braved bombs and gunfire in January to elect a parliament. "It's like a...

Cruising through the Al Wahdi neighborhood in eastern Mosul, Iraq, Lt. Colonel John Norris ducks down from his command hatch in the heavily armored Stryker vehicle. "Look at all the people on the streets, in the lines at the polls," he tells his fellow American soldiers. "That's a good thing to see." For the 4-23 Battalion, aka the Tomahawks, Oct. 15 was starting to look like one of the most peaceful days of the war. Sunny weather, about 85 degrees, and not too humid. "It's a great day to be a Tomahawk," grins the 42-year-old Kentucky native. And it was...

The Talk Shows Sunday, October 16th, 2005 Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows: FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice; Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill. MEET THE PRESS (NBC): Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice; Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich.; and former FBI Director Louis Freeh. FACE THE NATION (CBS): Sens. Joseph Biden, D-Del., and Chuck Hagel, R-Neb. THIS WEEK (ABC): U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad; Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I.; former Watergate prosecutor Richard Ben-Veniste; and former U.S. Attorney Joseph diGenova. LATE EDITION (CNN) : Khalilzad; Sen. John Warner, R-Va.; Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari;...

The New Politics of Iraq October 15, 2005; Page A6 Millions of Iraqis will risk their lives today to endorse their new constitution, but it's a measure of American defeatism that the vote is already being dismissed in many quarters as a mirage on the road to inevitable civil war. On the contrary, we'd say the vote is further evidence that the Iraq mission still has every chance of succeeding. The expected approval is certainly a triumph for Iraqi political leaders, who have been underestimated by everyone, including too often by the Bush Administration. Going back to the Governing Council,...

LONDON (Reuters) - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said on Sunday that Iraqis had probably approved a U.S.-backed draft constitution in a historic referendum, a vote she said could reduce insurgent violence. "Most people assume on the ground that it probably has passed," Rice told reporters during a visit to London. Rice hailed the turnout, particularly in Sunni Arab areas, where she said there had been a large increase in voter numbers compared to parliamentary elections in January. Basing her figures on reports from officials in Iraq, the top U.S. diplomat said the overall turnout was about 63-64 percent,...

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraq's constitution appeared headed toward passage Sunday despite strong opposition from Sunni Arabs who turned out in surprisingly high numbers to try to block it. But any victory could be muted by the prospect that the result might further divide the country. Rejection seemed much less likely after Ninevah, one of the three crucial northern provinces that Sunni Arab opponents pushed hard to swing their way, appeared to have gone strongly for a "yes" vote. According to a count from 260 of the province's 300 polling stations, about 300,000 in Ninevah voted "yes" for the constitution, and...

TIKRIT, Iraq, Oct 16 (Reuters) - Iraq's Salahaddin province, one of at least three with a Sunni Arab majority that might combine to veto the draft constitution, voted "No" by 70 percent in Saturday's referendum, an electoral official said on Sunday. The results were not final and were subject to further counts, electoral officials said. "The 'No' percentage is 70 percent," Electoral Commission official Saleh Khalil Farraj said in the provincial capital Tikrit, hometown of Saddam Hussein. "Turnout is 80 percent." The head of the national Electoral Commission in Baghdad, Hussein al-Hendawi, said he was unaware such figures had...

In a situation rich with irony, voting was heavy in the former rebel stronghold of Fallujah, secured by the USMC in November 2004. Most of the Fallujans chose to reject the proposed Iraqi constitution, though the nationwide results are expected to heavily confirm it. US Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad didn't seem to mind whether people voted for or against the proposed constitution, so long as they voted. "With hours to go before the polls closed Saturday, U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad made his first trip to Fallujah since he took over the post in July. ... Khalilzad congratulated residents on their participation...

BAGHDAD: Iraq took another big step yesterday toward becoming a fully democratic and independent nation as millions voted on a new constitution despite threat of violence. Prime Minister Ibrahim Al Jaafari, after casting one of the first ballots in Baghdad, said: "The constitution is a sign of civilization. We consider this a day of great achievement. This constitution has come after heavy sacrifices. It is a new birth." UN Secretary General Kofi Annan congratulated the Iraqi people, saying it represents a chance for the country to move away from violence and towards unity. "For the second time this year,...

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Sunni Arabs voted in surprisingly high numbers on Iraq's new constitution Saturday, many of them hoping to defeat it in an intense competition with Shiites and Kurds over the shape of the nation's young democracy after decades of dictatorship. With little violence, turnout was more than 66 percent in the three most crucial provinces. The constitution still seemed likely to pass, as expected. But the large Sunni turnout made it possible that the vote would be close or even go the other way, and late Saturday it appeared at least two of a required three provinces...

In unexpected calm, millions of Iraqis voted Saturday in a referendum on a new constitution which is designed to reshape the country after Saddam Hussein but which some fear may tear it further apart. Insurgents fought gunbattles with Iraqi and U.S. forces in Ramadi, west of Baghdad, but throughout the capital and much of the country, voting appeared to go smoothly and safely for 10 hours until polling stations closed at 5 p.m. (1400 GMT). Counting began immediately in local voting centers. More than 15.5 million Iraqis could approve or reject a draft constitution proposed by a parliament dominated by...

  October 15, 2005 The Constitution Referendum, and the Not-So-Great Ramadan Offensive By Bill Roggio The Iraqis have voted on the referendum. Turnout is reported to be high in many areas of Iraq. Saddam's own hometown in Tikrit is estimated to have had a 78% turnout. Dr. Fareed Ayar, a member of the Independent Electoral Commission of Iraq, estimates over 11 million particpated in the ballot, almost 70% of the registered voters. The much touted "Ramadan Offensive", designed to disrupt the election process and bring the Iraqi people to their knees has failed. Iraqis have voted in places that were formerly...

Director General of the Independent Election Commission of Iraq (IECI), Adil Al-Lami, right, and election official Safwat Rasheed, left, brief the media on the constitutional referendum in Baghdad Saturday Oct. 15, 2005. Election board officials said the result of Iraq's referendum on a constitution could be known as early as Sunday.(AP Photo/Faleh Kheiber, Pool)

PRESIDENTIAL NEWS OF THE DAY: The President and First Lady (and the dogs) are spending the weekend at Camp David, where GWB monitored the Iraqi constitutional referendum. Following are excerpts from the latest AP story. Little Violence As Iraqis Vote on Charter By LEE KEATH, Associated Press Writer BAGHDAD, Iraq - Sunni Arabs voted in surprisingly high numbers on Iraq's new constitution Saturday, many of them hoping to defeat it in an intense competition with Shiites and Kurds over the shape of the nation's young democracy after decades of dictatorship. The constitution still seemed likely to pass, as expected. But...

MOSUL, Iraq — In the upcoming constitutional referendum, Nineveh province has been considered the Ohio of Iraq, the swing state where the success of the founding document hangs in the balance. But as some Sunni Arab leaders in Baghdad announced a last-minute endorsement of the constitution this week, local politicians from the Iraqi Islamic Party scrapped their "no" posters and began organizing "yes" rallies on the streets of the provincial capital.Although they have yet to hold a copy of the draft constitution in their hands, many voters in Nineveh say they have been swayed by the political turnaround, making it...

In a Baghdad slum where residents revere Shi'ite clerics, many voters in a constitutional referendum on Saturday did something unusual -- they didn't turn to religious leaders for guidance. Walking past posters of leading Shi'ite cleric Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani and popular firebrand Moqtada al-Sadr, many Iraqis voted "Yes" and said the desire for security and better services motivated them, rather than the opinion of clerics. "We all voted 'Yes' because we wanted to. We need stability and we need electricity and we need basic services," said Jassim Mohammed, standing beside his family. "It's not because clerics told us what...

The devil went down to Baghdad, He was lookin' for a soul to stealShouting bout Jihad From Islamabad, His turban was white and teal.When he came across a young man name of G.W. who started the W.O.T.The devil crawled from an Afghanistan cave and said America, what you got?I guess you didn't know it but I hate you like a Jew, and if you care to take a dare I'll start a jihad on you.Now you play pretty good politics boy, but give the devil his due72 virgins and gold against your soul cause Mohammad is better than you.The boy...