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tired_old_conservative: Since 2009-10-03

I'm betting it's Non Sequitur displaying another split-off personality. COLB causes MPD and ADD.

Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

I missed it. What did he say?

I missed it. What did he say?

Oh, wait, I forgot, they're all in on it. They're always all in on it because otherwise the conspiracy theory is obviously silly to rational people. Which this one is.

That was the same mantra of the global warming people until a couple weeks ago until it all fell apart for them -- as it will for Obama and his apologists like you.

“Hawaii has very clearly refused the opportunity to dispute it.

No — Hawaii has been dancing the Hawiian Obfuscate to please the Democratic operatives that control the state.”

Like the Republican governor, genius? Oh, wait, I forgot, they're all in on it. They're always all in on it because otherwise the conspiracy theory is obviously silly to rational people. Which this one is.

let’s hire the climategate hackers to hack into the HI DH database(s) :)

“Where is your evidence that “he” has such a document???? or that one even exists??? Show us this evidence!!!”" His campaign posted a document that looks like the birth documentation Hawaii issues upon request.

LOLOLOL -- "that looks like"???? Twins can look alike but they are not the same person, are they??? A forgery looks like the real thing -- but it is not, is it???.

It was on their website.

What was -- the forgery??? something that "looked like" something that Hawaii issued in 2007??? or something they issued in 1963??? You libs are so easily fooled by even your own loons.

They've let several groups who asked look at the hard copy.

Name those groups -- I'll bet not one is credible.

Hawaii has very clearly refused the opportunity to dispute it.

No -- Hawaii has been dancing the Hawiian Obfuscate to please the Democratic operatives that control the state.

I'm neither a liberal, a loon, nor a leftist. I just choose to see reality.

And yet you believe the whole line of propaganda presented by the Obamanists -- the non-existent document, on a discredited website, that not even their own prefabricators are willing to attest to in a court of law. You are what you are despite your pontifications to the contrary.

“tired_old_conservative: Since 2009-10-03

Coincidence?”

No, that would be a simple fact. As far as coincidences go, I’ll check with my wife, but I really do think I was old and tired before 2009-10-03. Been conservative all my life.

Nobody answers “streight” questions, at least as far as I know.

How about this? Typical conspiracy loons = can't read an answer to a straight question if it bit them in the @ss since they have an irrational, emotional investment in believing what they want to believe, however silly.

“I see you didn't anser my question, you are a joke. He apparently has a birth certificate saying he was born in Hawaii, the question is was it correctly issued or was it fraudulently issued. That cannot be answered without further research and information.”

What hospital he was born in? Who were the witnesses? I could care less. He has shown a document that looks like what Hawaii legally issues, and Hawaii doesn't dispute it, as they legally would were it false. If Hawaii doesn't dispute it, reasonable people can and will assume it was correctly issued.

“As an experienced Investigator, I readily acknowledge your facts are lacking and there is plenty of logical, rational reason to “trust but verify” facts with other facts that are more reliable and dependable. Since you can't or won't see that I, stand on my observations and conclusion that what you have to say carries little weight in the matter.”

Investigate grammar. This is borderline gibberish.

“Tell me why won't Hawaii in response to Open Records Requests define the difference between date accepted and date filed on a COLB? Tell my why Obama’s COLB has date filed on it and not date accepted on it? How many other COLB’s say date filed instead of date accepted?”

Why does it say date filed and not accepted? I don't know, but I assume there is a perfectly valid reason since the COLB I last received from the state of my birth did the exact same thing. It had a date filed on it and no date accepted. The COLB is by definition a partial printout of the database. Maybe date filed is considered a more directly relevant data point for cross-matching records.

tired_old_conservative: Since 2009-10-03

Coincidence?

Typical of leftists == they cannot answer a streight question.

“Where is your evidence that “he” has such a document???? or that one even exists??? Show us this evidence!!!”"

His campaign posted a document that looks like the birth documentation Hawaii issues upon request. It was on their website. They've let several groups who asked look at the hard copy. Hawaii has very clearly refused the opportunity to dispute it.

So let's see. On a website and offered for examination. That constitutes presented to the public and the media. He's not required to present it to a court, nor would any court accept it unless they have asked for such a presentation. To date, no court has.

I'm neither a liberal, a loon, nor a leftist. I just choose to see reality.

Read your own sentence. It fuses two subjects (the fact of his father’s identity and your belief that one must have two citizen parents) to reach a conclusion that is your belief only, namely that Obama is disqualified from being President. It is that conclusion to which I am self-evidently referring. Picking out the one fact as the object of dispute is both fallacious and silly.

And he has a document stating his place of birth that (1) corresponds in appearance with what Hawaii issues, and (2) is not disputed by the state of Hawaii, as again, it can legally do so for fraudulent misrepresentation. Privacy laws do not protect people who falsify state documents.

I see you didn't anser my question, you are a joke. He apparently has a birth certificate saying he was born in Hawaii, the question is was it correctly issued or was it fraudulently issued. That cannot be answered without further research and information.

if you can't even acknowledge the salience of those facts to observers, then you will be taken by the rest of the world as someone whose emotional needs outweigh their ability to think rationally. Last time I checked, that was a pretty liberal characteristic.

As an experienced Investigator, I readily acknowledge your facts are lacking and there is plenty of logical, rational reason to "trust but verify" facts with other facts that are more reliable and dependable. Since you can't or won't see that I, stand on my observations and conclusion that what you have to say carries little weight in the matter.

Tell me why won't Hawaii in response to Open Records Requests define the difference between date accepted and date filed on a COLB? Tell my why Obama's COLB has date filed on it and not date accepted on it? How many other COLB's say date filed instead of date accepted? More facts that add to suspicion something is amiss. Of course one can't see that with blinders on or an empy headed lemming liberal mind.

How to get a fraudulent Hawaii BC? Just have witnesses file false affidavits.

http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/SunYatSen.jpg

And he has a document stating his place of birth that (1) corresponds in appearance with what Hawaii issues, and (2) is not disputed by the state of Hawaii, as again, it can legally do so for fraudulent misrepresentation.

Where is your evidence that "he" has such a document???? or that one even exists??? Show us this evidence!!!

Neither he nor anyone else has ever presented this so called evidence to the public, to the media, to the court, or to the Senate as John McCain did before it passed Senate Resolution 511, resolving that he was a natural born citizen because he had two American parents -- something that Obama lacks.

You don't know the difference between a fact and a fantasy and a fraud for that matter -- which is the mark of a liberal loon leftist. You are one behind that phony mask you are wearing, right???

“But the reality is that his father was not an American citizen but a foreign national, thus disqualifying him from the Presidency...” Your personal certainty that this is a fact does not make it so. To date, reality is not respecting that opinion.

So then his father was NOT Barack Obama Sr, a British Kenyan national???? or are you fantasizing something else???

But Uncle Chip, his COLB states Barack Obama Sr. was Daddy, and since they didn’t have DNA testing then, I’m pretty sure whomever was the Daddy, the legalalities at the time were that the man his mother married was his legal Daddy... Obama, Sr., and he WAS a foreign national.

“But the reality is that his father was not an American citizen but a foreign national, thus disqualifying him from the Presidency...”

Your personal certainty that this is a fact does not make it so. To date, reality is not respecting that opinion.

“there is no documentary evidence that he was even born in the continental U.S...”

He wasn't born in the Continental United States, a term that commonly excludes Alaska and Hawaii. I don't think that has ever been in dispute.

And he has a document stating his place of birth that (1) corresponds in appearance with what Hawaii issues, and (2) is not disputed by the state of Hawaii, as again, it can legally do so for fraudulent misrepresentation. Privacy laws do not protect people who falsify state documents.

if you can't even acknowledge the salience of those facts to observers, then you will be taken by the rest of the world as someone whose emotional needs outweigh their ability to think rationally. Last time I checked, that was a pretty liberal characteristic.

Let’s all start referring to HIM as Chester Arthur Obama (Chester Arthur being the other ineligible President...but at least Chester Arthur did a reasonable job as President, according to all accounts.)

So was Obama born in a hospital in Hawaii? Who witnessed his birth?

If you don't think the answer to those questions are relevant and important, anything else you write will be taken with all the veracity and seriousness of liberal know-nothing blabber.

Recognizing reality isn't the same thing as approving of his administration.

But the reality is that his father was not an American citizen but a foreign national, thus disqualifying him from the Presidency, on top of the fact that there is no documentary evidence that he was even born in the continental U.S. Those two strikes against him are real -- and they are just the beginning.

Yes, I do. I think most people do, too. Recognizing reality isn't the same thing as approving of his administration.

I further think time and energy should be spent opposing his policies instead of being wasted down this rabbit hole. It's just not productive, no matter how much people might want it to be.

Well -- how about yourself???

Do you believe that Barack Obama is a natural born citizen of the U.S. and thus qualified to be President???

So? How about it?

I'm just telling you there is no massive conspiracy to cover up this burning issue. When most people look at this, here's what they see:

(1) Hawaii state policy is to generically issues COLBs when people request birth documentation.

(2) Obama produced a COLB that looks like a Hawaii document.

(3) The state of Hawaii doesn't dispute what that record says, as it is legally entitled to do if someone fraudulently misrepresents official state records. Indeed, they've pretty much affirmed it.

Thus, he was born in Hawaii. And the whole two-citizen parent thing is not going to get mass traction when it was a matter of public record that his father wasn't a citizen before he ran for President, especially given that the most common understanding of NBC is “born here.”

That's all that's going on with the media. (1) Hawaii doesn't dispute he was born there, end of story. Who do they believe: Hawaii, or some guy who hates Obama and is screaming that he'll destroy the country by February if he isn't stopped? Hmmm. Not a tough call. (2) We all knew his father wasn't a citizen before he ran, end of story. Who do they believe: Their own memory and the entire governmental election process that ultimately acknowledged Obama as president, or some guy who hates Obama and is screaming that he'll destroy the country by February if he isn't stopped? Hmmm. Again, not a tough call.

Those are some pretty basic, simple narratives. They may be right or wrong, but if you can objectively put yourself in other people's shoes, it's pretty obvious why this isn't getting mass attention.

most people simply look at the facts as they lay

tired_old_conservative Since 2009-10-03

How about that fact --