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Where did you hear that explanation? I’ve never heard that and it doesn’t seem to fit considering the verse prior (Mat 5:38) and verses 40 to the end of the chapter.

Turnout was pretty good, too. 30% was expected, but just over 50% actually voted.

Despite what everyone has been saying, I always thought his arrest had something to do with the oligarchs getting nervous.

Oh, I see, speaking for the old ball and change.

Yes, someone who knows the country and the people, as opposed to people like you who rattle off offensive comments without knowing what you're talking about.

I could care less where you or her came from.

Yeah, you don't want someone who grew up there disturbing your preconceived prejudices.

but the fact that as you stated 10% admitted they were, I’m sure the naziness runs much deeper

No, I said 90%+ despise Nazis. Most of the remaining < 10% simply dislike them or don't care. There are fewer Nazis in Ukraine by percent than any other Western country.

The fact the Ukrainians were starved to death less then two generations ago surely is also a catalyst for fervent Russian hatred.

Oh I see, so your definition of Nazi is any oppressed people that hate their oppressors? The one has nothing to do with the other. And your claim of "fervent Russian hatred" is completely clueless.

Let me be clear, as I said before, I don’t care if they are nazis or ninjas, we don’t need to get involved.

And as I said, feel free to express your opinion that we don't need to get involved. I can respect that, and even agree with it to an extent. But if you don't care if they're "nazis or ninjas", then why call them Nazis in the first place?

Let me clear up the misunderstanding. Nobody cares if you don’t care about Ukraine and don’t want us to get involved. A LOT of people think that way.

No, the “knee-jerk” reaction alluded to was giving Ukrainians the “Nazi” label.

The vast majority of Ukrainians (I don’t have the figures handy right now, but it’s upward of 90%) DESPISE Nazis. Just mention to my wife, who was born and raised in Ukraine, that Ukrainians are Nazis. And if you do, be prepared to have your head handed to you, painted to look like a Matryoshka doll, and flowers planted in a big hole in your skull.

And in case that wasn’t clear, calling a Ukrainian a Nazi is EXTREMELY offensive.

Hope that clears it up for you.

Ukraine crisis: the neo-Nazi brigade fighting pro-Russian separatists

So what?

Btw, try to keep on subject. Are you going to answer my question in post #35? Or are us fascist pro-Kiev people the only ones who are required (according to you) to stay on topic, and answer questions with facts?

I don’t care if they’re Nazis or Buddhists or Communists or Greens or Republicans or Libertarians or Garden Gnomes. What difference does it make? Aside from trying to rile people up and distract them from the facts that Putin is trying to take over and these people are Ukrainians trying to fight off invaders and build a free Ukraine.

You have a problem with it? Tell us what’s incorrect. And back up your assertions with facts. And not “facts” from Russian media. And show me some proof that this “crap propaganda piece” is funded by Soros.

Talk about Propaganda, straight from the tap....

Say, aren't you the person who keeps saying that you're just looking for the truth? That you only quote news from Kremlin-controled media because none of the "main-stream" media is covering it? Yet you immediately label this as propaganda. Did you read the article? Did you look at the evidence presented? Did you read the June 15th report from the UNHR commissioner? Did you watch the videos?

No, you have your mind made up. Anything Ukrainian is bad, fascist, and lies. Anything Russian is truth, pure as the driven snow, and Putin in only acting in the best interests of the RF and Christendom.

If you're going to so openly declare your intentions, I see no further reason to give you the benefit of the doubt. Anything you post regarding Ukraine I will now consider a lie unless and until I see hard proof otherwise. Your arguments and opinions no longer hold any value.

I saw reports that it was an “acquired” and repaired unit. Maybe the repairs didn’t include the IFF...

Audio with english subtitles of intercepted communication here at youtube

Audio with english subtitles on youtube

Here's the transcript:

Igor Bezler: We have just shot down a plane. Group Minera. It fell down beyond Yenakievo (Donetsk Oblast).

Vasili Geranin: Pilots. Where are the pilots?

IB: Gone to search for and photograph the plane. Its smoking.

VG: How many minutes ago?

IB: About 30 minutes ago.

SBU comment: After examining the site of the plane the terrorists come to the conclusion that they have shot down a civilian plane. The next part of the conversation took place about 40 minutes later.

“Major”: These are Chernukhin folks who shot down the plane. From the Chernukhin check point. Those cossacks who are based in Chernukhino.

“Grek”: Yes, Major.

"Major": The plane fell apart in the air. In the area of Petropavlovskaya mine. The first “200” (code word for dead person). We have found the first “200”. A Civilian.

“Greek”: Well, what do you have there?

“Major”: In short, it was 100 percent a passenger (civilian) aircraft.

“Greek”: Are many people there?

“Major”: Holy sh__t! The debris fell right into the yards (of homes).

“Greek”: What kind of aircraft?

“Major”: I haven’t ascertained this. I haven’t been to the main sight. I am only surveying the scene where the first bodies fell. There are the remains of internal brackets, seats and bodies.

“Greek”: Is there anything left of the weapon?

“Major”: Absolutely nothing. Civilian items, medicinal stuff, towels, toilet paper.

“Greek”: Are there documents?

“Major”: Yes, of one Indonesian student. From a university in Thompson. 

Militant: Regarding the plane shot down in the area of Snizhne-Torez. It’s a civilian one. Fell down near Grabove. There are lots of corpses of women and children. The Cossacks are out there looking at all this.

They say on TV it’s AN-26 transport plane, but they say it’s written Malaysia Airlines on the plane. What was it doing on Ukraine’s territory?

Nikolay Kozitsin: That means they were carrying spies. They shouldn’t be f…cking flying. There is a war going on.

It was presumably shot down by a “KRUG” a/k/a/ SA-17, which has a maximum height range of nearly twice that.

The restricted airspace was below the plane’s flight level.

Yes, they do.

Full title: SBU intercepts phone conversations of separatists admitting downing a civilian plane (FULL TRANSCRIPT; VIDEO)

Full translated transcript and link to the audio in the article.

Better translations can be found. Kiev Post sometimes has them, and Voices of Ukraine usually posts them. The one for the 26th is at Voices of Ukraine here.

Tymchuk can actually be quite humorous when you have a decent translation.

Here's the post from the above link:

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Dmitry Tymchuk’s Military Blog: Summary – June 26, 2014

Posted on June 26, 2014
by tilamuse

Dmitry Tymchuk, Coordinator, Information Resistance
06.26.2014
Translated and edited by Voices of Ukraine

Brothers and sisters!

Here’s the Summary for June 26, 2014 (for previous summary, please see Summary for June 25).

The bad news:

1. The ceasefire, which ends tomorrow, has led to nothing (except some political gains for Kyiv, which are, however, too early to assess).

Insurgents keep shooting just as they used to shoot. A creature with the eyes of a water rat by the name of Tsariov bleats about some constitution for “LNR” and “DNR” [Luhansk- and Donetsk People’s Republics], some “inviolable union of free republics” and other supernatural things.

However, in all this fuss there is a plus. Since the terrorists recognized Tsariov as the main clown in their farce, he is the one who will lead a hardworking brigade of Donbas militants into the “zone” [Ed. Note: Russian slang for prison]. We won’t have to feel torment worrying whom to appoint as their foreman.

2. Today an activist of Kharkiv Euromaidan, Valentyn Bystrychenko, announced that the Dzerzhinsky District Court of Kharkiv had sentenced him and two other protesters to 50 hours of community service for singing the famous song about Putin [Putin Khuylo] at a protest rally against the separatists.

The judge is either a very brave, or a very stupid person, if (s)he really gave the punishment just for a hit [song] about Putin. This song is our national treasure, it is untouchable, just like the Big Ben in Britain.

Besides, the world has no other song this short, consisting of only three words (counting the “la-la-la”), which could so astutely characterize the subject of the chant in both an individual, psychological as well as in the foreign policy sense.

So, the Judge should have explained him/herself clearly, in order to avoid misunderstandings.

3. The puppet government of the annexed Crimea has “nationalized” the shipbuilding company “Morie” [translated as Sea] in Feodosia.

To our great happiness, the industry in Crimea is not enough to swear by. In the military-industrial context, we, in fact, have lost only two major production lines that have no counterparts on the mainland, namely the production of hovercraft (the above mentioned “Morie” ship-building plant) and the production of parachutes.

However, the latter can be restored in mainland Ukraine, there are options. But we will have to say ‘goodbye’ to “Zubr” [translated as Bison], the famous amphibious hovercraft. Until the occupiers are expelled from Crimea.

The good news:

1. President Poroshenko promised that tomorrow, June 27th, with the end of the ceasefire, to make an “important decision” if the terrorists didn’t accept the conditions of his peace plan. He also noted that today the terrorist representatives “expressed a desire to participate in a meeting on Friday.”

Solid intrigue. But Poroshenko’s attitude suggests that he is willing to act decisively if gunmen begin to drag their feet again.

However, let’s look at the actual facts. Now our guys in the ATO forces are waiting for some adequate orders. It’s painful for them to sit with hands folded while brazen little fighters use the ceasefire to strengthen their positions.

2. A more specific piece of news from Poroshenko: today, he announced at PACE [Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe] that without the return of Crimea, there would be no normal relations with Russia.

As they say in the army, right on the money.

Only it’s not enough to just speak about it. But we must take measures today to return Crimea already. I hope that the future National Security Strategy and the Military Doctrine of Ukraine (by the way, when will we hear about a start of preparation of these documents?), as well as the further process of army reform will focus on solving this problem. Since Crimea is our second largest military and political problem, after the current solution of the Donbas issue.

3. Our security forces report: Russian border control guards destroy terrorists during their flight from the territory of Ukraine to Russia. However, they allow them entry into Ukraine without problems.

Purely in the style of the NKVD, Putin-style. Terrorists must know, the entrance to Donbas costs one Ruble, the exit costs two. It is easy to enter, but not as easy to get out, the fire of the ATO forces is ahead, and behind is the fire of Russian “friends.” Welcome to hell.

And speaking of Russian nazis,

(Source)

Thousands of far-right nationalists and neo-Nazis marched through Moscow on Friday to call for ethnic Russians to "take back" Russia, as resentment grows over dark-complexioned Muslim migrants from Russia's Caucasus and the money the Kremlin sends to those restive regions.

Fail. Old photograph from at least October 2005.

http://www.yourdailymedia.com/post/nazi-tattoos/

And it was probably taken in a Russian prison.