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Thank you, longjack, for the ping and your translation.

By 1936 the Nazis had brutally suppressed all opposition. They didn't need to. They would have won an overwhelming majority in a free election.

I see a contradiction between your two statements.

Both of you should read my #31 above.

One set of robbers and thieves being exchanged for another.

Ordinary Russians get shafted again.

How and when was the Nazi party popularly in a free elaction given governance of Germany?

Capsule information on Nazi party election results

The situation of Russia and Germany were really not so different. Governance was seized, opposition crushed.

Yes and no. In 1932 the Nazi party won a plurality of the vote by a large margin, in an entirely free and legal election. They needed some shady shenanigans for their last push "over the top"; but the German people had made them the strongest party.

By contrast, the October Revolution in which Russia's Bolsheviks seized power was a much more brutal affair.

His speech touches many controversial subjects, such as criminal Turks getting away with a slap in their wrists, German welfare cheats living the life of Riley in Miami, people using the German "Medicaid" to buy Viagra, and other abuses of the generous German socialist programs.

That isn't what is controversial about his speech, at least not as far as I'm concerned... leftists will of course disagree. (Though I maintain that the worst parasites are not the welfare cheats but the entrenched class of civil servants who are "managing" poverty and constantly expanding their turf; they are like an albatross hanging around the neck of taxpayers.)

The whole speech is about asking Germans to be proud and productive, not parasitic and despondent.

That isn't the impression I got.

Are the Germans supposed to grovel every time the 12 years of Nazi government is discussed?

Emphatically no. But who is bringing up the Nazi era? As a commenter on HZB's weblog remarked (a non-Jewish American living in Germany), the leaders of Germany's Jewish council, from Galinski to Bubis and now Spiegel, have been progressively milder, while anti-Jewish resentment in Germany has grown steadily worse.

Are the Bolsheviks held to the same standard when their 70+ years of totalitarianism and butchery are discussed?

Well see, you correctly identified the Bolsheviks as the comparison object to the Nazis. But to hold the world's Jews responsible for the actions of Jewish Bolsheviks in Russia and then equate the Jewish people as a whole with the German people during the Nazi regime is wrong on so many levels, it boggles the mind. That is what Hohmann did. Not to mention his references to Henry Ford as an authority, his recent call for reparations payments to the dwindling band of Holocaust survivors to be cut, and other offensive comments.

At any rate, the speech was not a defense of the Nazi past, but a call to avoid the excuse of "German guilt" and look for fresh solutions to the current German economic and social troubles.

I wish it were so, but then why did he have to drag in the Jews?

Hohmann is simply a head case. He is a German nationalist who cannot bear the stain of the Holocaust in his nation's history. The fact that there are many German patriots who acknowledge Germany's history, yet are not crippled by feelings of inferiority or "collective guilt", does not register with him.

No one else is "keeping Germany down", least of all "the Jews". A thriving German economy driven by optimistic, confident Germans is best for the Jews (remember the economic malaise before Hitler took power), and best for Israel.

The man obviously has a need to identify scapegoats. You can legitimately criticize an issue such as homosexual adoption, but to blame the plummeting German birthrate on the homosexuals? Please!

English-language weblogs referencing Hohmann's speech.

http://cumgranosalis.blogspot.com/2003_10_26_cumgranosalis_archive.html#106757510293390048

http://www.papascott.de/2003/10/31/2674.php

http://www.usefulwork.com/shark/archives/001187.html#001187

Not reported in any of the above weblogs is the fact that Hohmann as a member of the German parliament made an official inquiry to the givernment, requesting that German reparation payments to Holocaust survivors (there aren't that many left, they are mostly in their 80s and 90s) be reduced to take into account Germany's budget difficulties.

In the meantime, a brigadier general has been fired for having written a letter to Hohmann expressing gushing admiration for the speech.

Nothing unusual at Rhein-Main Airb^H^H^H

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep

Personally I think that condemning the Russian prosecutor may be a bit premature; at least give him a chance to present the evidence first.

Also, my suspicions are triggered when the Christian Science Monitor, of all publications, cries glycerine tears for Khodorkovsky.

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I found the following quite amusing.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gideonlichfield/message/23

(Gideon Lichfield is a journalist writing for The Economist.)

EXCERPT:

[...]Russia, though it seems to
be cosying up to Arab countries, is actually getting about as close
to Israel as you can get without being America.

This is no great surprise, but I also worry a bit that it might be
used as ammunition by those who like promoting Jewish conspiracy
theories. As a Jew I hate to admit it, but if you want to go around
spreading the word that the Jews run the world, Russia is the perfect
place to start. You can still get little books from wizened old
ladies in the street detailing the Jewish stranglehold over Russia.
Never mind all the Jewish scientists and artists - you get them
everywhere - or the Jews in government and the media, who keep a
fairly low profile. Back in the mid-90s when Russian business was
ruled by a coven of seven oligarchs, six of them were of Jewish
origin and the seventh served them as a kind of political shabbes
goy: whenever they felt that a Jew couldn't ask the authorities for
something, they'd get him to mediate. One of them, now the richest
man in Russia and one of the 30 richest men in the world, Mikhail
Khodorkovsky, is Jewish. And Vladimir Zhirinovsky, the emblem of
Russian ultra-nationalism, the mad-dog racist who accused the Jews of
provoking the Holocaust and selling Russian children and transplant
organs, admitted in 2001 that he had a Jewish father (though his
grasp of biology is a little shaky: he wanted to know why he should
be stigmatised just because of the "one drop of Jewish blood" his
father left in his mother). So it's not enough for us to run the
country, we have to run the anti-Semites as well?

Likewise, the Jewish community itself is also a more extreme version
of what it would be elsewhere. When I went to the synagogue on Jewish
New Year, everything was mixed together - the Hasidim were doing
their round-the-hall dances and yodelling like Swiss farmers while
the secular Jewish businessmen tied up loose ends on their mobile
phones in the middle of the service. Not so long ago there was a
power struggle for the post of Chief Rabbi of Russia, which by all
accounts was as vicious as a typical Russian business takeover and
was won by an Italian-born New York Hasid. One of my friends here was
told a story by an American diplomat who had to organise George W.
Bush's visit to the Choral Synagogue in St Petersburg. It was a great
event, and all the rabbis of Northwestern Russia were invited.
Unfortunately half of them were at loggerheads with the other half
and each threatened not to come if so-and-so did; the diplomat was
driven nearly insane trying to arrange the seating to keep deadly
rivals apart.

I asked the president of the Russian-Jewish Congress, the
unfortunately-named (for English-speakers) Evgeny Satanovsky, why the
Jews have done so well. His answer was basically evolution: the
constant struggle to succeed against Soviet discrimination made them
the winners once the barriers began to lift. That gives you an idea
of how intense Soviet discrimination must have been.

But what makes it even more remarkable is that this crowd of super-
evolved power-mongers had to be formed out of the relatively small
number of Jews who didn't leave Russia as soon as they had the
chance. The Russian diaspora is about five million strong, and a good
part of it is Jewish. There is a common belief here that Jews have a
kind of innate radar for disaster. I met a Chechen who told me that
the first sign that Chechnya was heading for ruin, well before the
war started, was when the Jews started leaving. Satanovsky said that
the RJC set up an online forum for Russian-speaking Jews abroad. They
got contacted by people from 82 countries.

And let's not even talk about the Russian Jews in Israel. When I went
there over the holidays, my flight was five hours late. I spent the
day in the airport talking to an old gent, and after a while he asked
to use my mobile phone to call his relatives in Tel Aviv. His
conversation, all in Russian, went something like this:

[Voice answers the phone]: Hello?
Gent: Hello, can I speak to Misha?
Voice: He's gone out. Who is it?
Gent: It's his brother. Can you tell him the flight is late? We'll be
landing about...
Voice: What? What flight?
Gent: The flight from Moscow.
Voice: You've got the wrong number.

That, then, is the Russian Jewish Conspiracy. Not only do the Russian
Jews run Russia; they run Israel too. After all, what's the sense in
having a Jewish conspiracy if you're not prepared to do it properly?

Shabbat Shalom!

The president of Germany's association of murdered Jews, Lea Rosh

Bizarro farce, when a person with maybe a paternal Jewish grandfather can change her surname from Rohs to Rosh and pursue her dreams of self-aggrandizement by browbeating the German government into financing a "Holocaust memorial".

The latest tragicomedy with the Degussa company is just adding insult to injury.

The Holocaust memorials (note the plural) already exist; they are in Dachau, Buchenwald, Sachsenhausen, Treblinka, Majdanek... some are in poor repair and falling apart by the day.

"Association of murdered Jews"? Is this some kind of club of zombies? Sickening. The Jewish communities of Germany have largely stayed clear of this "project", but not enough for my taste.

Would you or anyone happen to know where I can go on the Web to find out about progress in research on nuclear fusion for power generation?

Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat has given his support to the effort but will not officially endorse it until the Israeli government does, said former Cabinet minister Yasser Abed Rabbo.

Translation:

Get the enemy to go on the record committing himself to yet more irrevocable concessions. Then say, "Nuh-uh, don't think so... The Israelis have to do better than that." Rinse and repeat.

There's a Jewish word for what the leftist "negotiators" on the Israeli side lack: sekhel. It means "street smarts" or "common sense".

anotherview, think the Israeli public is smarter this time than at the start of "Oslao"?

I really do rule the world by proxy

You do, huh?

Islamic Jihad and Hamas have just claimed responsibility...

If I were Hamas and IJ, I'd keep my mouth shut and wait for the media to invent a conspiracy theory implicating the Israelis... but no one ever said they were smart.

Sucks to be him.

Voice of America News

American Convoy Rocked by Explosion in Gaza Strip
Sonja Pace
Jerusalem
15 Oct 2003, 09:25 UTC


A massive explosion went off in the Gaza Strip Wednesday as an American convoy passed by. There are conflicting reports of casualties, but Israel radio says at least four people have been killed and several others wounded.
Details of the incident are sketchy. Israel radio says an explosive device went off as a U.S. diplomatic convoy believed to be carrying members of an American monitoring team passed by. The blast occurred near the Palestinian town of Beit Hanoun, south of the Erez crossing between Israel and the Gaza Strip.

Witnesses are quoted as saying one car, a Silver Jeep Cherokee, the kind of vehicle used by American diplomats, was completely destroyed by the blast.

It's not known at this point who exactly was in the convoy. U.S. diplomats and CIA representatives are part of a team that is monitoring and supervising the implementation of a U.S. backed international peace plan.

For a contrasting perspective from a German:

hans ze beeman

I won't lie to you. The "hans ze beemans" are currently few and far between. But it is not out of the question that more and more Germans will join him in the future.

in fact, i think all muslims do condemn terrorism

Uh-huh. Sure. Yeah, right.

Thank you tictoc for your lies #1 and #2. other people on FR have been saying this for a while and people tend to beleive them. Thank you for labeling your post for what it is: LIES.

You are either severely retarded or you are pathetically attempting irony (and falling flat).

joe032783 had no trouble understanding what I was calling a lie, so why is that so difficult for you? Go back to my post # 71 and read it again slowly.

Or maybe you'd like to point out to me the many synagogues in Saudi Arabia? Okay, then maybe just two? One...? When has any Israeli been allowed on Saudi soil, ever? Or any prominent non-Israeli Jew? Jewish Americans on assignment in Saudi "incognito" do not count. How many Jewish citizens does Saudi have today, how many a century ago, two centuries, seven centuries... The answer is NONE. ZERO. What happened to the populous Jewish settlements in Arabia? Are you claiming that the Jews were not all expelled from there soon after Mohammed's death (the ones that he hadn't killed or kicked out himself)?

I am not an expert on the history of Islam but even I know that much. Are you a Muslim? How come you don't know this stuff?

Of course, I am going by the Muslim sources themselves. Could be that they're wrong about their own history, but I haven't heard any Muslim say that.

Joe hasn't shown up yet on faithfreedom.org, when are we going to see you there?

Didn't Herzl write a book set in the future in which the Israelis build the Third Temple in Jerusalem but not on the Temple Mount?

If the modern "founding father" of Israel could envision such a compromise, then why can't we?

I am merely asking this as an academic question. This latest "accord" is just another bait-and-switch on the part of the Palis. Already they are claiming they didn't give up the "right of return".

It's just a game, a primitive but effective one. The Palis get the Israelis to commit themselves to an offer (every time, of course, a better one than before), then throw up their hands and say they can't do it.

Next round, the previous Israeli offer is taken as a "baseline" on which the Israelis had better improve.

But if there actually were a trustworthy partner on the other side, would you insist on the Temple Mount if that was the only sticking point left?

Mind you, it's academic. If there was anyone on the Palestinian side sincerely interested in coexistence and peace, they would kill him in a heartbeat.