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Posts by swampfox101

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  • All in the family: Valerie Jarrett and the Chicago communists

    03/24/2015 2:52:04 AM PDT · 22 of 27
    swampfox101 to nathanbedford

    Not to worry,the press is on it.....! Lol

  • Does Water Baptism Save?

    03/12/2015 11:10:21 AM PDT · 277 of 278
    swampfox101 to one Lord one faith one baptism

    care to elaborate, not sure what that question means.”

    Ignorance is NO Excuse....!

  • Does Water Baptism Save?

    03/12/2015 6:42:29 AM PDT · 275 of 278
    swampfox101 to one Lord one faith one baptism

    What about those traditions....?

  • Does Water Baptism Save?

    03/11/2015 1:21:23 PM PDT · 273 of 278
    swampfox101 to one Lord one faith one baptism

    Obey your leaders and submit to them; for they are keeping watch over your souls as men who will have to give an account. Let them do this joyfully, and not sadly, for that would be of no advantage to you.

    Did you know that that verse is referring to elders in the Church.

    I wonder when Campbell read this, who did he submit to?

    If he were a good christian, I’m sure he submitted to the elders of His congregation.

    Kind of heady stuff when you are tasked with “restoring” the Church of Christ, don’t you think?

    Not really, actually its quite simple, you just have to read and understand God’s word.

    BTW I bow to your superior knowledge when it comes to Campbell and Joseph Smith. I can honestly say that I have never read an article or a book written by either of these men.

    You seem to know quite a bit about them, so I assume you have studied them intently. After all, you frequently call them false prophets.

    Let me ask you this. How many men, women, and children did Campbell murder, torture, and burn at the stake?

    We know the apostate catholic church did this. It killed untold hundreds and thousands because innocent men, women, and children refused to follow the corrupt catholic religion and edicts of sinful popes, cardinals, and bishops...! Were the corrupt catholic popes and catholic priests who murdered innocent people also false prophets...? Or do you consider these “holy men” of God?

    The apostate catholic church has quite and history of murder, corruption, and burning people at the stake. Are these the traditions that you so proudly speak of..?

    Or, are you more proud of the traditions of murdering, torturing, and burning men at the stake when those individuals tried to get copies of the Bible into the hands of the ordinary citizens? Or would you consider those corrupt popes, priest, cardinals, and bishops false prophets...?

    Just curious....! Just trying to figure out which of these corrupt traditions of the apostate catholic church you are most proud of....!

  • Does Water Baptism Save?

    03/11/2015 12:53:25 PM PDT · 272 of 278
    swampfox101 to one Lord one faith one baptism

    Where does God say the Book of Hebrews is His word?

    chapter and verse please.

    Romans 3:2 tells us that the oracles of God were first given to the Jewish nation. “ Much in every way! Chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of God.”

    And God also tells us that this earth will pass away but His word will last forever. This promise was spoken to us by Jesus Himself. Matt 24:35 “ Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.’

    Ps. 12:6-7”The words of the Lord are pure words,
    Like silver tried in a furnace of earth,
    Purified seven times.
    7 You shall keep them, O Lord,
    You shall preserve them from this generation forever.”

    What’s the matter...? Don’t your trust God? Do you think he is incapable of preserving His word?

    Better run and ask you little, earthly, sinful pope if God is capable of preserving His word and if God can be trusted.

    Do you have doubts that Hebrews is the word of God...?

  • Does Water Baptism Save?

    03/11/2015 11:00:06 AM PDT · 262 of 278
    swampfox101 to one Lord one faith one baptism

    I see the book of Hebrews quoted, apparently as scripture.

    Apparently? Do you or don’t you consider it as God’s word?

    The Church has declared it as Scripture and has copied over close to 2,000 years. Without the Church doing this, the so called COC would not even possess it.

    NO...! God declared it as scripture, the catholic church came 600 yrs. later.

    This book was written some 600 yrs. before the catholic church came into existence. It was addressed to Hebrew christians and the author is not known for sure. Some say Paul, some say Barnabas. Regardless it was and is inspired by the Holy Spirit.

    It is treated as scripture because God said His word would last forever by His will and His will alone.

    Crickets chirping.................

    The only crickets chirping are coming from you. You never answer questions, you only through around insults, innunendo, and name calling. Could it be because you can’t defend your religion? You are like the Jews Jesus was talking to when He said in Matt 15:8-9 “‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
    And honor Me with their lips,
    But their heart is far from Me.
    9 And in vain they worship Me,
    Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.”

    And again you remind me of the people Jesus was talking about in Mark 12:24 when he said: “Jesus replied, “Your mistake is that you don’t know the Scriptures, and you don’t know the power of God.”

    You are like the rich man who died and went to hades you wouldn’t recognize God’s word and be persuaded by it even thought one rose from the dead and preached it to you. Luke 16:31

    You are to busy listening to your sinful high priest who sits in Rome on his bogus throne And you listen to and follow the commandments of men.

    Mark 7:8”8You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men.”

    You follow your sinful pope who sits on a bogus throne in Rome, and you listen to his man-made laws and traditions.

    I choose Christ whose throne is in heaven at the right hand of the father. (Acts 2:33) I will follow His Holy teaching, His Holy inspired words, and the Holy traditions that were once for all delivered to us 600 yrs before the apostate catholic church was dreamed up by sinful men who called themselves priest and popes.(Jude 1:3 and 2 Tim 3:16)

  • Does Water Baptism Save?

    03/11/2015 9:50:00 AM PDT · 258 of 278
    swampfox101 to one Lord one faith one baptism

    Heb. 5:9-10
    9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, 10 called by God as High Priest “according to the order of Melchizedek,” 11 of whom we have much to say, and hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing.”

    Heb. 5:12-14
    “ For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.’

    Luke 16:31
    “ But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’”

  • Does Water Baptism Save?

    03/11/2015 9:16:49 AM PDT · 257 of 278
    swampfox101 to one Lord one faith one baptism

    the so called COC thinks because they call themselves the COC, THAT MAKES THEM THE COC.

    lol, by that logic, if I call myself a five star general, I become a five star general.

    there are several marks by which we can KNOW where is the true Church of Christ. included among these marks:

    1. keeping the Apostolic Faith and Tradition
    2. sharing the Eucharist
    3. continuous presence on earth from Pentecost thru today
    4. possession of the Scriptures

    the so called COC FAILS on all four points. Campbell was the worst kind of heretic since he totally violated the will of God as expressed in John 17 and 1 Corinthians 1.
    his followers have continued his errors by refusing to be added to the true Church and by following his 19th century tradition of men.

    John 12:48
    “ He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.”

  • Does Water Baptism Save?

    03/11/2015 7:58:49 AM PDT · 255 of 278
    swampfox101 to one Lord one faith one baptism

    I didn’t think you could.....!

  • Does Water Baptism Save?

    03/10/2015 12:58:32 PM PDT · 252 of 278
    swampfox101 to one Lord one faith one baptism

    funny, we can trace the so called COC to the early 19th century and Campbell.

    First Century the apostle Paul wrote:” Greet one another with a holy kiss. The churches of Christ greet you.” The Bible disagrees with you.

    but the true Church of Christ was not started by just another man, but by the Lord Jesus Christ Himself.

    Finally, you get it....!

    unlike what the false prophets Joseph Smith and Campbell taught in the 19th century, the true Church would be present in all generations and Jesus Christ promised to be with His Body all the way up until the end of the world.

    That is true but sadly some faiths fell away, only the true Church remains.

    in fact Jesus warned us false prophets like Smith and Campbell would arise and deceive many. yet despite that, people still follow the false prophets rather than be added to the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.

    Which Church is it that forbids some to marry? Which Church is it the forbids some foods at certain times of the year..?

    Which church claims to have a vicar or stand in for Christ...?

    Which church bows down and treats a sinful man as their high priest....?

    Gal. 1: 6-9
    6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

    The catholic church in a nutshell:
    2 Thess.1-12
    2 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ[a] had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin[b] is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God[c] in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

    5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He[d] who now restrains will do so until He[e] is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

  • Does Water Baptism Save?

    03/10/2015 12:35:41 PM PDT · 251 of 278
    swampfox101 to one Lord one faith one baptism

    on this we agree, except I can name actual Christians in every century from the 2nd thru today.
    the so called COC has a big blank space from 95ad thru the Campbell “restoration”.

    You only need to know the name of one....!

    Acts 4:12
    “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

    BTW could you point me to that list of men in scripture...? Or..must I take your word for it.

    Gods’s word is truth...John 17:17

  • Does Water Baptism Save?

    03/10/2015 6:39:42 AM PDT · 242 of 278
    swampfox101 to one Lord one faith one baptism

    Jesus Christ gave the command and He is fully God, therefore the command came from God.

    the Campbellite’s have a problem since they claim the Church needed to be “restored”, this means Campbell himself had to have been baptized by a non-Christian, which goes against the NT that he claimed to be following.

    Their have been Christians since the day of pentecost, all did not fall away and become apostates.

    Heb. 6:4-6
    4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

    the other problem Campbell had is the Church could not go apostate according to the Scriptures.

    2 Thess. 2:1-3
    2 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

    Ephesians 3:21

    to him be glory in the church and in Jesus Christ TO ALL GENERATIONS, for ever and ever. Amen.

    the so called COC appeared for the first time on the earth in the 19th century, along with the Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses.

    Roamns 16:16
    Written by Paul in the 1st century.

    “16 Greet one another with a holy kiss. The churches of Christ greet you.”

    the real Universal Church of Christ has been on earth in every generation for close to 2,000 years now.

    On this we agree....!

  • Does Water Baptism Save?

    03/10/2015 6:16:52 AM PDT · 241 of 278
    swampfox101 to one Lord one faith one baptism

    “who started the catholic religion, in what year and name some COC leaders at the time that opposed this new false religion?”

    Gal. 1:6-8
    6” I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.

    1 Tim 4:1-5
    4 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.”

    Col. 1:18
    Christ
    18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in al things He may have the preeminence.

    Heb. 8:1-2
    “ We have a High Priest who sat down in the place of honor beside the throne of the majestic God in heaven. 2 There he ministers in the heavenly Tabernacle,[a] the true place of worship that was built by the Lord and not by human hands.”

    1 Tim 2:5-6
    5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time,

  • Does Water Baptism Save?

    03/10/2015 5:58:09 AM PDT · 240 of 278
    swampfox101 to one Lord one faith one baptism

    “see how Campbell contradicted the words of Jesus? Jesus promised to be with the Church ALWAYS, EVEN UNTO THE OF THE WORLD.
    Campbell taught the Church went “apostate” and needed to be “restored” ( by him of course lol )”

    Rev. 2:4-5
    4 Nevertheless I have this against you, that you have left your first love. 5 Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent.

  • Does Water Baptism Save?

    03/09/2015 12:36:23 PM PDT · 230 of 278
    swampfox101 to one Lord one faith one baptism

    Baptism was commanded and instituted by Christ for His Church in the first century, hundreds of years before the creation of the catholic religion.

  • Does Water Baptism Save?

    03/09/2015 12:26:35 PM PDT · 229 of 278
    swampfox101 to one Lord one faith one baptism

    Is the command to be baptized from God or man...?

  • Does Water Baptism Save?

    03/09/2015 12:15:47 PM PDT · 228 of 278
    swampfox101 to CynicalBear

    Our Church fathers include the apostles. I would say they were strongly associated with those seven churches.

  • Does Water Baptism Save?

    03/09/2015 12:12:03 PM PDT · 227 of 278
    swampfox101 to redleghunter

    These issues should not be so difficult for any of us. Seeing you are well versed in Holy Scriptures, I will outline some Biblical facts. If you see I missed something let me know.

    We know from the preponderance of the Biblical evidence one is saved by God’s Grace through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

    That is the gospel.

    We also know from the preponderance of the Biblical evidence we are justified by faith.

    Faith is just one of the works, not the only one. Can’t have faith without “hearing”, belief(faith), repentance, confession, and baptism. All of which are biblical doctrines.

    We do know Paul commented that he did baptize people but that he was sent to preach the Gospel and not to baptize.

    Christ did the same.

    From that statement we can conclude that water baptism is not specifically the Gospel message.

    Paul didn’t mention confession, hearing, believing, or confession in that sentence either. Are we to conclude that they aren’t part of the gospel message either?

    We know the Gospel message Paul outlined in 1 Corinthians 15 was the same Gospel preached by all the apostles. Of which Paul outlines the Gospel message is Christ crucified, died and Risen (praise God!).

    Christ is the gospel. His death, burial, and resurrection.

    We know from Christ’s own lips that “he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.”

    Yes Christ said that and I believe that. He also said: “ He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned’” Do you believe these words of Christ also...? Belief (faith) AND BAPTISM. Not belief only.

    Expanding on the above we have Paul in Romans 8 telling us “For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.”

    All are predestined to either heaven or hell, the choice is ours.

    The NT witness, however, also tells us that those who heard and believed the above also got in some form of body of water and were baptized. I agree one cannot escape the FACT that those who “were cut to the heart” (Acts 2) believing the Gospel presented to them were baptized that day without hesitation or theological debate.

    Why? Peter goes on to say that as many as obeyed the gospel were “added to the Church. Acts 2:41 “ Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.”

    Now why do we have such controversy here? I think it is because some see baptism as a human ‘work of righteousness.’

    Baptism is a work, it is a work of Christ, not of man.

    It is not because it is commanded as some will say;

    Christ commanded it in Matt. 28:19, Acts 2:38, Mark 16:16. It was even commanded of Paul in Acts 22:16.

    but I say as with those on Pentecost those who are “cut to the heart” with the offering of the Gospel of Grace, are baptized.

    The sure were so that they could get forgiveness of sins just as Peter stated. Same with Paul in Acts 22:16.

    I’m sure you nor anyone else proclaiming Christ as Lord and savior believe the actual water or one who is the baptizer have any mysterious salvific qualities or ‘elements’ involved.

    No. It’s just a simple matter of obedience to the command of Christ to do it. Why would I profess belief and faith and Christ and then not trust him?

    We know from the preponderance of the Biblical evidence (frankly from the actual God given light to us!) that it is by Grace we are saved through faith.

    What good is faith without obedience?

    Finally, I will leave a thought provoking comment and reference which all can examine if they care to do so. The below is the Great Commission. Notice the ‘defining’ verb for the Great Commission is “to teach.” In Mark 16 and a few more modern English versions the ‘defining’ verb is “preach the Gospel.” Which supports the previously mentioned “they were cut to the heart” believed and were baptized.

    Yes they were cut to the heart but more importantly they acted on their belief and obeyed what Peter instructed them to do. They were baptized and added to the Church.

    From Matthew 28:

    19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

    20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.(KJV)

    You will notice Christ said what I have “commanded” you to do. Which of the above commandments do you think is not essential to our salvation Teaching? Baptism? Going? Or are they all essential?

  • Does Water Baptism Save?

    03/05/2015 5:09:49 PM PST · 134 of 278
    swampfox101 to Ruy Dias de Bivar

    Paul did just as Christ commanded all of us to do....!

    “The Great Commission

    In Galilee (Matthew 28:16-20; Mark 16:15-18)

    While in Galilee, the eleven apostles met with Jesus on a mountain where Jesus as previously told them to go. The eleven worshiped him, but even at this late time, Matthew mentions that some still had doubts. A few commentators wonder if this meeting was attended by more than just the eleven and might have been the meeting of 500 mentioned in I Corinthians 15:6. If so, they then explain the doubters as being among the 500 disciples. More likely, however, is the mentioning of their doubts is to let us know that these were honest men who were not easily pull into a false scheme. That they had become convinced by the day of Pentecost shows the strength of the evidence that they witnessed.

    Jesus declared that all authority has now been given to him, both on earth and in heaven; thus fulfilling Psalms 8:6 and Daniel 7:13-14. Paul also talks about Jesus’ authority in I Corinthians 15:27-28, Ephesians 1:20-23, and Philippians 2:9-11. This isn’t limited authority, but absolute and complete authority over all the works of God.

    From that position of authority, Jesus commissions the disciples to do the task he had been preparing them to accomplish. They were to go into all the world and make disciples of Jesus from all the nations (Isaiah 52:10; Romans 10:18; Colossians 1:23). This would be done by baptizing them with the authority of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit – the full authority of the entire Godhead. Such an absolute command based on such authority ought to make everyone wonder why some declare baptize to be unnecessary. A person who believes and is baptized – two equal conditions to be met – would be saved, but a failure in just one, such as a lack of belief would result in condemnation.

    Signs would be given to these disciples so that those hearing them would see evidence that their teaching was from God. With Jesus’ authority they would be able to cast out demons (Acts 16:16-18), speak in new languages (Acts 2:4), can survive handling serpents (Acts 28:3-6), won’t be poisoned, and heal those who are sick (Acts 5:15-16).

    These new disciples are then to be taught all the things that Jesus had taught them. One Christian passing on his knowledge to the next generation of Christians (II Timothy 2:2). The emphasis is on what Jesus taught and not on what the disciples thought. It isn’t teaching for knowledge alone, but instructions in how to live in accordance to those teachings (James 1:22-25).

    Jesus promises all his disciples, not just the ones with him then, but also those who would come after them, that he would be with them throughout the rest of earth’s history (Isaiah 43:2; Matthew 18:20; Revelation 1:18).

    In Jerusalem (Luke 24:44-49)

    While many similar themes are touched upon in Luke’s account as those found in Matthew and Mark, there is enough differences to cause one to believe this took place at another time and location. Verse 49 leads us to conclude that this event took place in Jerusalem. Whether it took place before or after his appearance in Galilee is not easily determined. But, it also doesn’t make any difference in understanding the duties laid upon the disciples by Jesus.

    Jesus explains to the disciples that while he was with them, he had told them what must happen for the fulfillment of the prophecies concerning him. There were prophecies concerning the Messiah in all parts of the Old Testament, in the Law, the Prophets, and in the Psalms. He then went through the Scriptures, as he did with the two disciples on the way to Emmaus, to help them understand the Scriptures. He concluded that thus it was written and thus it was necessary for him to have suffered, die, and rise from the dead three days later.

    But those same prophecies mean that the teaching of repentance and remission of sins must be preached to the whole world, starting in Jerusalem (Psalm 22:27; Isaiah 49:6; Jeremiah 31:34; Micah 4:2; Malachi 1:11). The disciples were witnesses of these things and, thus, would be the ones to carry the message of salvation to the world.

    Once again Jesus reminds them that he would be sending the promised Holy Spirit to them (John 14:16-17, 26). Therefore, it was necessary for them to wait in Jerusalem until the Spirit came (Isaiah 44:3).”

  • Does Water Baptism Save?

    03/05/2015 9:16:37 AM PST · 61 of 278
    swampfox101 to Ruy Dias de Bivar

    “I Corinthians 1:17 cannot be understood without reading I Corinthians 1:14-16 where you will quickly see that Paul did baptize people. Because of these schisms Paul finds it a blessing that he had not personally baptized very many in Corinth. He could think of only Crispus, Gaius, and Stephanas’ household. Paul feared that if there were more it might have lend credence to the idea that he had personal disciples among the Corinthians.
    There are groups who attempt to use these verses to claim that baptism is unessential because Paul was thankful that he had not baptized people in Corinth. Clearly such a contention is contrary to the context of the passage. Paul had baptized several and his other writings, such as Romans 6:3-7 and Galatians 3:26-27 make it clear that Paul saw baptism as essential for salvation. What Paul was concerned about was the possibility of some twisting the events into baptisms into Paul instead of baptisms into Christ.

    I Corinthians 1:17 is frequently misread as people ignore the ellipses present in this statement. “For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect” (I Corinthians 1:17).

    An ellipse takes place when an essential word or phrase is left out of a statement. You can determine from the statement that the word was meant to be there, but the very fact that it was left out causes the listener to focus on the missing part. It engages the mind of the listener to participate in the discussion by supplying the missing word.
    A common style of ellipses in Greek is of a “not ... but” construction, where both the “not” and the “but” modify a shared verb. Often the shared verb does not appear after the “but,” but is implied as an ellipse. This type of sentence construction is idiomatic in Greek. When you see it, you should read it as “not only ... but also.” The idiom stresses that what comes after the “but” is considered to be far more important than what comes after the “not.”

    An example of this construction is found in I Peter 3:3-4. The common verb is “let be.” Some translations supply the missing words. Peter is not saying that styling your hair, wearing jewelry, or dressing up is forbidden. He is saying that they aren’t very important when compared to dressing up the spirit with gentleness and quietness. The latter make a far greater impact on beauty, especially in God’s eyes, than outward adornments.

    In the case of I Corinthians 1:17 the common verb is “did send.” Paul did not claim that he wasn’t supposed to baptize. To claim that is to contradict what he just stated in the verses prior. What Paul is saying is that his duty to Christ was far broader than just baptizing people. He had the more important job of preaching the gospel, so he focused on this and let others do most of the baptizing.
    Paul is not disparaging baptism but talking about the focus of his mission for Christ. Paul is stating that his primary purpose was not to just baptize people. His chief mission was to teach the gospel. Such teaching obviously leads baptism (Acts 2:40-41; 18:4, 8). But Paul’s mission was to preach the gospel in a simple, straightforward manner so that the focus of the message remained on Christ’s death.
    It appears that Paul, like Peter in Acts 10:48, had others do the actual baptisms while he continued to preach.”

  • Does Water Baptism Save?

    03/05/2015 7:18:48 AM PST · 42 of 278
    swampfox101 to CynicalBear

    25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began 26 but now made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith— 27 to God, alone wise, be glory through Jesus Christ forever. Amen

    Romans 16:25-27

  • Does Water Baptism Save?

    03/05/2015 6:47:49 AM PST · 33 of 278
    swampfox101 to RaceBannon

    The Washing of Regeneration
    by Jim Ward
    via The Lost River Bulletin, Vol. 58, No. 4, September 2008.

    The denominational world has spent centuries trying to oust baptism from God’s plan of salvation. One of the most common efforts centers on works. Notice this argument in syllogistic form:

    First Premise: Works do not save: (Titus 3:4-6).
    Second Premise: Baptism is a work.
    Conclusion: Therefore, baptism does not save.

    Through this argument appears sound, it has a flaw: the Second Premise is not true; Scripture does not teach that baptism is a work. In order for a conclusion to be true, BOTH premises must be true.

    Now consider this counter argument:

    First Premise: Works do not save (Titus 3:4-6)
    Second Premis: Baptism saves (I Peter 3:21)
    Conclusion: Therefore, baptism is not a work.

    In this case, since both premises are Scriptural, the conclusion is true, and it directly rebuts the Second Premise — and thus the conclusion — of the above syllogism. But if baptism is not a work, what is it? There are several Biblical answers to this question, but we will focus upon just two:

    Baptism is a tool or instrument which God uses to save sinners: The core of Paul’s long sentence in Titus 3:4-7 is “He (i.e., God) saved us” (vs. 5). Verse 6 then declares the means by which God saves: “the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit.” What is this “washing of regeneration”? Let’s notice the comments of several scholars:

    Marvin R. Vincent
    “The phrase ‘laver of generation’ distinctly refers to baptism, in connection with which and through which as a medium regeneration is conceived as taking place. Compare Rom. 6:3-5. It is true that nothing is said of faith; but baptism implies faith on the part of its recipient. It has no regenerting effect apart from faith; and the renewing of the Holy Spirit is not bestowed if faith be wanting” (Vincent’s Word Studies in the New Testament, pg. 108).

    R.C.H. Lenski
    “God saved us by means of baptism. Baptism is a bath of regeneration and renewing, in both of which the Holy Spirit is the actor. That is why God could use baptism as such a means (dia), why baptism is by no means a mere symbol or picture but a true means of divine grace...To reject baptism is to confess the absence of regeneration” (St. Paul’s Epistle to Titus, pp. 935,936).

    Newport J.D. White
    “God saved us by Baptism, which involves two complementary processes, (a) the ceremony itself which marks the actual moment in time of new birth, and (b) the daily, hourly, momently renewing of the Holy Spirit...” (The Expositor’s Greek Testament. p. 198).

    G.R. Beasley-Murray
    In answering the question of whether baptism is in Titus 3:5, Dr. Beasley-Murray said, “Of the commentators who have written on these Epistles, I can find but one who denies it.” Later in this same discussion, he says, “God saved us through baptism...’that we migh become heirs of life eternal’” (Baptism in the New Testament, pp. 209,216).

    Clearly, these scholars believe that the phrase “washing of regeneration” refers to baptism. Thus, they conclude, it is unavoidable that God saves us through baptism, which makes it His work, not ours.

    Baptism is an unavoidable expression of faith in the working of God
    This is our second answer to the question, “If baptism is not a work, what is it?” To say it another way, faith is not faith without baptism (nor, by the way, is baptism truly baptism without faith). Notice a segment of the earlier quotation from Vincent: “It is true that nothing is said of faith (in Titus 3:5 — jww) but baptism implies faith on the part of its recipient. It has no regenerating effect apart from faith; and the renewing of the Holy Spirit is not bestowed if faith be wanting.” Anyone who rejects baptism and the place God has given it in salvation does not have the kind of faith that saves. In a practical way, this means that those who are baptized with a grasp of God’s teaching on the subject do not trust in water or in their own merit, but in the grace and working of God. The regeneration and renewal of Titus 3:5 are OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. This truth is echoed in numerous other passages:

    Colossians 2:12: the Colossians were buried with Christ in baptism and “raised with Him THROUGH FAITH IN THE WORKING OF GOD.”

    John 3:5: Jesus told Nicodemus that the new birth could be accomplished only through water and the Spirit.

    Acts 22:16: The washing away of sins relies upon calling on (i.e. trusting in) the name of the Lord.

    I Corinthians 6:11: The Corinthians were washed, sanctified, justified, in the name of Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

    I Peter 3:21: Baptism saves us through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

    The denominational world is so intent on making baptism a work of man’s righteousness that it misses the fact that it is a work of God’s righteousness. In baptism we confess our sins and our helplessness to deal with them. In baptism we declare our complete dependence upon God. In baptism we make “an appeal to God for a clear conscience” (I Peter 3:21). Far from betraying trust in self, baptism reveals an absolute trust in God. He saves us by His mercy and justifies us by His grace.

  • Does Water Baptism Save?

    03/05/2015 6:42:03 AM PST · 31 of 278
    swampfox101 to CynicalBear

    Objections to the Essentiality of Baptism for Salvation
    by Abraham Smith

    The Bible is very clear in its teaching on baptism’s role in our salvation. It is an act of obedience that is required of us by God “for the remission of sins” (Acts 2:38). The Bible does not teach that baptism is “an outward sign of inward grace.” Neither does the Bible teach the doctrine of “baptismal regeneration” which says that baptism is the only thing involved in our salvation. There are other conditions of pardon, which are faith, repentance, and confession of Christ (Romans 10:9,10; Luke 13:3).

    We do not have the right to question what the Lord demands. We must be obedient according to the instruction to Samuel, “Speak, LORD, for Your servant hears” (I Samuel 3:9), and obedient like Jesus who said, “not My will, but Yours, be done” (Luke 22:42). If we want to do the will of the Lord, we will submit to the teaching of the Bible by being baptized for the reason that the Bible gives.

    However, there are some of us who still have reservations and objections to the teaching of such passages as Acts 2:38 and Acts 22:16. In addition to these passages, Romans 6:3-4 and Galatians 3:26-27 teach that scriptural baptism puts one into Christ and 1 Peter 3:21 says baptism doth also now save us. Let’s examine some of the most common objections people have to the essentiality of baptism to salvation:

    “The Bible says that we are not saved by works (Eph. 2:8,9; Rom. 11:6; Titus 3:5). If baptism is essential to salvation, salvation would be of works.”

    We are no more saved by works than a man with a broke back, broken legs, and down in a deep well could save himself by his own actions. But someone might drop down a rope to him with a hook on the end with instructions for him to hook it to his belt and they would pull him out. If he “obeys” their instructions, could he “boast” that by his own actions he had “saved” himself? Of course not! But was his obedience essential to his “salvation” from the well? Yes! Even so, we do not earn our salvation when we obey God. But obedience is clearly essential to man’s salvation (Hebrews 5:9; II Thessalonians 1:7-8).

    “We are saved by grace through faith. It is a gift of God. Gifts are free. If baptism is required to be saved, then salvation is no longer a gift.”

    Gifts are free but our reception of them is often conditional upon things that we must do in accepting them. For instance, I read the writings of a preacher who having endorsed the above objection, said, “I have some free literature I want to send....All you need do to receive your free literature is fill out the decision form on the following page and mail it to me.” But we cannot receive this “free gift” until we “fill out the decision form” and “mail it.” If he and others can see that though his gift is free yet there are conditions to be met (”fill out the decision form” and “mail it”) , then why is it so difficult to see that God’s gift of salvation is also free but there is the condition of obedience that must be met which includes baptism “for the remission of sins”?

    “The thief on the cross was saved without being baptized.”

    Those who make this statement do not know whether the thief was baptized previously by John or not (Mark 1:4-5). We might as well contend that Moses, Noah, and others (who lived and died before Jesus’ statements of Mark 16:15-16) were saved without the baptism that is “in the name of Christ.” Noah and Moses were not required to be baptized in the name of Christ (in essence by the authority of Christ, Matthew 28:18-20). But today, we are required!

    However, those who lived before Jesus’ death were required to be obedient to be saved. A rich young ruler came running to the Lord and asked, “Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?” What did Jesus tell him, believe only? No, but He said to him, “You know the commandments: “Do not commit adultery,’ “Do not murder,’ “Do not steal,’ “Do not bear false witness,’ “Do not defraud,’ “Honor your father and your mother”” (Mark 10:17-19). In like manner, we must be obedient also in order to inherit eternal life.

    “On many occasions, Jesus told individuals that their faith saved them. He did not say their baptism saved them.”

    Neither did He say “your faith independent of obedience saved you.” No one denies that we are saved by faith. The issue is by faith when are we saved? The answer is seen in the great chapter of faith, Hebrews 11. Saving faith is illustrated by several examples which includes Noah (Hebrews 11:7) and the fall of the walls of Jericho (Hebrews 11:30). Of Noah it is said by faith he “prepared an ark for the saving of his household” Noah was saved by faith and the walls of Jericho fell by faith, after they were obedient. Even so, our faith will not save us until we complete our obedience in baptism (I Peter 3:21).

    “If you believe baptism is essential to salvation, then baptism is your saviour and not Christ.”

    If that is the case, then we can say of those who walked around the walls of Jericho that “walking” was their saviour and not the Lord! When Noah prepared an ark for the saving of his household, was the ark his saviour or the Lord? This objection is simply absurd “reasoning.”

    “What if an honest man, who had heard the gospel and believed it, was on his way to be baptized but a stick fell on his head and killed him? Would not this example demonstrate that baptism is not essential?”

    What if the honest man was on his way to hear about Christ and a stick fell on his head and killed him before he had a chance to hear and believe? Would this “example” demonstrate that faith is not essential to salvation? We should not determine the teaching of the Bible by “examples” conjured up within our imagination! Let us trust with all our hearts what the Lord said in his word about baptism and “lean not on your own understanding” (Proverbs 3:5).

    “There are many passages like Romans 10:9,10 which tells us what to do to be saved but say nothing about baptism.”

    And there are “many” such passages like Romans 10:9-10 which say nothing about repentance. Is repentance therefore not essential because it is not specifically mentioned? Of course not. We must accept every conditional term of salvation taught in every passage.

    “The meaning of Acts 2:38 is that we are baptized ‘because’ our sins are already remitted. That is what the word ‘for’ means in that verse.”

    If that is the meaning of the word “for” (”eis” in the Greek), then none of the hundreds of scholars throughout the ages knew it because none of them have translated “eis” as “because of”!

    In Matthew 26:28, Jesus said His blood “is shed for many for the remission of sins.” The phrase “for the remission of sins” is the same in the Greek and English. Whatever it means in Matthew 26:28 is what it means in Acts 2:38. How could the Holy Spirit have made that any plainer? Is it possible that Jesus shed his blood “because” we already have the remission of sins? Of course not!

    “Cornelius received the Holy Spirit before he was baptized, thus he must have been saved before he was baptized (Acts 10:44-48).”

    If Cornelius was saved before he was baptized, he was saved before he had faith. Peter began preaching the message of salvation in Acts 10:34 ending in Acts 10:43. The text tells us that while he spoke those words the Holy Spirit fell upon them. The text of Acts 10 does not tell at what point the Holy Spirit fell upon them but only “while Peter was still speaking these words.” However, in Acts 11 where “Peter explained...in order from the beginning” what had happened in Acts 10, we read how he was told by Cornelius that an angel had instructed him to send for Peter “who will tell you words by which you and all your household will be saved” (Acts 11:14). Let us pause to digest this. Cornelius was to hear “words by which you and all your household will be saved.” Then Peter said, “And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, as upon us at the beginning” (Acts 11:15). So the Holy Spirit fell upon them “as I began to speak” says Peter. So Cornelius had not heard the words of salvation at the point when the Holy Spirit fell upon him and his household.

    Someone may ask, “Why was the gift of the Holy Spirit poured out on the Gentiles before conversion?” Answer: To persuade the Jews that the Gentiles should receive the same salvation as the Jews received. Those Jews who did not believe that Gentiles could receive the gospel had to be convinced by miracle that Gentiles could be saved through Jesus Christ the same as the Jews who obeyed the gospel. Please read Acts 10:44-48; 11:2, 3, 15-18.

    Peter commanded these Gentiles “to be baptized in the name of the Lord.” And we must bear in mind that baptism “in the name of the Lord” is “for the remission of sins” (Acts 2:38).

    “Paul said that Christ did not send him to baptize. If baptism is essential to salvation, then Christ did not send him to save people (1 Corinthians 1:17).”

    The text refutes the above objection rather than supporting it. Paul’s statement simply reflects that the act of baptizing was not the primary thing he was sent to do. He did baptize some, but much like Jesus, others did the baptizing.

    Paul criticized some for saying they were of Paul. He asked, “Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?” In order for them to belong to Paul, they would need to answer “yes” to Paul’s questions. This means that in order for us to belong to (be “of”) Christ, Christ must have been crucified for us and we must be baptized in His name (I Corinthians 1:12,13).

    “Before I was baptized, one night, when I was praying, I felt God’s presence as he spoke to my heart. Right then I knew I was saved.”

    Such an objection is contrary to the teaching of I Peter 1:22. It says, “Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart...” We only know that we are saved by knowing we have “have purified your souls in obeying the truth.” I John 2:4 says, “He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”

    How we feel does not prove anything about our salvation (Proverbs 14:12). Our feelings are a product of what we believe. If we believe the wrong things, we feel the wrong things. Jacob erroneously believed his son Joseph was dead (Genesis 37:26-27,31-35). Thus he had sorrow in his heart. In like manner, if we erroneously believe that salvation is obtained in any other way than what we read in Acts 2:38 and other passages, then our feeling of salvation rests upon that error and not the truth we need to obey.

    Perhaps there is someone who, upon reading this message, may have sorrow in recognizing he has not complied with the conditions of obedience taught in the Bible. That person may be like I was many years ago. I had previously asked Jesus to come into my heart. I “felt” at that time He did. I had been unscripturally baptized believing that I was already saved. But when I learned the truth, I “obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine” (Romans 6:16-17). It was through my obedience to that “form of doctrine” that I was freed from sin. Part of that obedience was being baptized “for the remission of sins” which put me in Christ Jesus. That is what the Bible says (Romans 6:3; Acts 2:38). When we do this, we will have the joy of salvation that rests upon truth and not emotions.

    It is not my fault that many religious leaders are not teaching these precepts taught in the Bible. That is to their shame! It is important to teach who Jesus is. But it is equally important to teach and follow what He says (Matthew 7:21).

  • Does Water Baptism Save?

    03/05/2015 6:26:06 AM PST · 28 of 278
    swampfox101 to mountn man

    “Let us address the thief on the cross. The following is a composition of the gospel accounts:

    “Then they crucified Him ... And they put up over His head the accusation written against Him: THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS. Then two robbers were crucified with Him, one on the right and another on the left. And those who passed by blasphemed Him, wagging their heads and saying, “You who destroy the temple and build it in three days, save Yourself! If You are the Son of God, come down from the cross.” Likewise the chief priests also, mocking with the scribes and elders, said, “He saved others; Himself He cannot save. If He is the King of Israel, let Him now come down from the cross, and we will believe Him. He trusted in God; let Him deliver Him now if He will have Him; for He said, ‘I am the Son of God.’” ” (Matthew 27:35, 37-43).

    “Then one of the criminals who were hanged blasphemed Him, saying, “If You are the Christ, save Yourself and us.” But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.” Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.” And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”” (Luke 23:39-43)

    First, let us note that we know little of the background of the thief. We know that he believed that his punishment was just. He knew he was a thief and he was willing to acknowledge that it was wrong. We also know that this thief knew of Jesus’ teachings. Think about what the man had said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.” Jesus was dying on a cross right beside him! Yet the thief understood that Jesus would be receiving a kingdom and apparently he understood that it was a spiritual kingdom (John 18:36). Somehow I don’t think this thief gained this depth of knowledge during the short time he was hanging on the cross with the Lord.

    Hence, we arrive at the second notable item. The Scripture does not record for us whether the thief had been baptized. We know that John had been baptizing in Judea for several years and the gospel of John also relates, “After these things Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He remained with them and baptized” (John 3:22). At little later in John we find, “Therefore, when the Lord knew that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John (though Jesus Himself did not baptize, but His disciples), He left Judea and departed again to Galilee” (John 4:1-3). A large number of people have been baptized, so we cannot state with certainty that the thief was not baptized. However, given that he was an admitted thief, it does seem unlikely, unless he was one of those who fell back into the ways of the world after becoming a follower.

    We must also acknowledge that Jesus is the Lord. As the Son of God, he had the authority to make exceptions. As Matthew records, “And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.” (Matthew 28:18).

    Another item of interest is that people point to the thief’s salvation because he acknowledged his belief in Jesus, but I know of no one who claim the remainder of the circumstances of this man’s salvation must also be followed. After all, this man hung on a cross besides the Son of God. In order for you or I to be saved like the thief, would we not also need the opportunity to hang on a cross beside the Lord? Of course, that cannot happen because Jesus is now enthroned in Heaven. “But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified” (Hebrews 10:12-14). While we can express our faith as the thief did, we cannot match the remainder of the thief’s situation.

    Finally, we must understand that at the time of the thief’s salvation, the new covenant had not been inaugurated. “And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives” (Hebrews 9:15-17). How the thief gained salvation prior to the death of Jesus and the beginning of the new covenant does not impact how people are saved now that the new covenant is in force.

    The Scriptures consistently teach that salvation is only through Christ. “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). Jesus warns that the way to heaven is narrow. “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it” (Matthew 7:13-14). In pointing out the unity of Christianity, Paul stated, “There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all” (Ephesians 4:4-6). Notice this. There is only one church. There is only one faith. There is only one baptism. The Bible does not teach that there are multiple roads to heaven. It emphasizes that there is only one. Rather than looking for a possible exception to the rule, does it not make sense that we would strive to follow the rule?”

  • Does Water Baptism Save?

    03/05/2015 6:18:02 AM PST · 25 of 278
    swampfox101 to RaceBannon

    .” The Bible teaches throughout the New Testament that FAITH and FAITH ALONE is necessary for salvation.”

    “Faith Alone” is used only 1(once) in the Bible and it contradicts your very statement....!

    ” Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.” James 2:17

  • GOP DOUBLE-CROSSING TRAITORS ... Ann Coulter

    02/19/2015 3:19:56 AM PST · 12 of 40
    swampfox101 to Bigg Red

    Actually she has been “anti-amnesty” for a long time. I don’t always agree with her but she is right on amnesty.

  • NASCAR Legend Declares to Obama, Dalai Lama at Prayer Breakfast: Without Christ, You Will Go to Hell

    02/08/2015 2:48:19 PM PST · 6 of 12
    swampfox101 to Flavious_Maximus

    Could be its because papa see’s Christ as a protestant....!

  • The time for talk is over

    02/06/2015 1:52:10 AM PST · 11 of 18
    swampfox101 to PieterCasparzen

    Good post...!

  • Pope says concern for poor is Gospel, not communism

    01/11/2015 3:08:05 AM PST · 23 of 74
    swampfox101 to Olog-hai

    Luke 18:22 So when Jesus heard these things, He said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

    Waiting for the pope’s for sale signs.....!

  • BREAKING — Up to 10 Killed in Paris Terrorist Attack

    01/07/2015 6:18:05 AM PST · 86 of 101
    swampfox101 to b4its2late

    It’s already too late....! The only way to stop these thugs is with total destruction.

  • 'How Jesus Became God': Skeptic scholar asks why it matters

    01/06/2015 4:35:09 AM PST · 15 of 113
    swampfox101 to Faith Presses On

    (John 1:1-4) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.

  • Top 10 Misconceptions About the Catholic Church

    01/06/2015 4:25:34 AM PST · 155 of 156
    swampfox101 to redleghunter

    John 3:

    18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

    20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved

    (John 12:47-50) “ 47 And if anyone hears My words and does not believe,[i] I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. 48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.”

    (2 Cor. 5:10-11)” 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. 11 Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences.””

  • Top 10 Misconceptions About the Catholic Church

    01/05/2015 8:36:24 AM PST · 153 of 156
    swampfox101 to redleghunter

    Indeed He is...He will also be our judge and it’s His words that will judge us....!

  • Top 10 Misconceptions About the Catholic Church

    01/04/2015 5:08:08 AM PST · 150 of 156
    swampfox101 to redleghunter

    You have a judge..., God.

    You have a law, God’s word.

    We all will be judged by God according to His word.

    Is God being legalistic....?

  • Top 10 Misconceptions About the Catholic Church

    01/02/2015 4:13:15 AM PST · 146 of 156
    swampfox101 to redleghunter

    So why have commandments at all...?

    BTW Col. 2 was referring to the old law...

    God’s laws aren’t ordinances of men...they’re from God...!

    John 12:48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

    God will judge us by his word.

  • Wisconsin beats Auburn, Ohio State leads Alabama

    01/01/2015 9:58:20 PM PST · 54 of 76
    swampfox101 to wgmalabama

    Why did they hire the “goofus”....? Wonder what Bama fans think about Kiffie now....? lol

  • Wisconsin beats Auburn, Ohio State leads Alabama

    01/01/2015 9:56:39 PM PST · 51 of 76
    swampfox101 to dfwgator

    Agree....! They have one heck of an offense....!

  • Top 10 Misconceptions About the Catholic Church

    12/30/2014 4:50:42 AM PST · 33 of 156
    swampfox101 to Arkansas Toothpick

    “I believe that Catholics are Christian, but I also believe that many of them labor under legalistic burdens. Of course, that isn’t unique to Catholics as any Christian can fall prey to that.”

    Are God’s commandments legalistic...?

  • The Early Church Fathers

    11/29/2014 12:58:05 AM PST · 18 of 166
    swampfox101 to PieterCasparzen

    Amen....!

  • The Early Church Fathers

    11/29/2014 12:53:01 AM PST · 17 of 166
    swampfox101 to Steelfish

    Galatians 1:6
    “I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel,”

    Philippians 1:27
    ‘Only let your conduct be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of your affairs, that you stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel,’

    John 17:17
    “Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.”

    Mark 7:8
    “For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.”

    Romans 1:16
    “ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”

    1 Timothy 4:1-9
    “ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

    Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

    Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.”

    John 12:48
    “ He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”

    Mark 7:9
    “ And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.”

    Mark 7:13
    “ Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.”

    Colossians 2:8
    “ Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.”

  • Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber billed fed and state govts at least $5.9M for advice

    11/15/2014 3:39:01 AM PST · 31 of 76
    swampfox101 to nathanbedford

    Exactly......!

  • Canadian's letter to Americans: 'When you are done with Obama, could you send him our way?' (Urp!)

    11/13/2014 2:00:15 AM PST · 12 of 72
    swampfox101 to 2ndDivisionVet

    “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”
    Mark Twain”

    Nuff said...!

  • Musician Peter Gabriel: I’m Not Anti-Israel, I’m Anti-Occupation

    11/09/2014 11:32:23 PM PST · 12 of 75
    swampfox101 to Olog-hai

    Never heard of him....!

  • The Current Conflict Is Spiritual...ISlam and The Bible pt 1

    08/25/2014 5:54:54 AM PDT · 10 of 11
    swampfox101 to Linda Frances

    Amen....!

  • The Current Conflict Is Spiritual...ISlam and The Bible pt 1

    08/24/2014 3:28:25 AM PDT · 4 of 11
    swampfox101 to Linda Frances

    Things haven’t changed much since the time of Paul have they...? He was eventually killed for his beliefs...!

    Philippians 1:21 “For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.”

    He believed it and he lived it...!

  • OBAMA MENTOR CHARLES OGLETREE: ARREST COP WHO KILLED MICHAEL BROWN

    08/17/2014 6:40:53 PM PDT · 80 of 88
    swampfox101 to Rome2000

    Ouch.........!

  • Contemporary Christian Music's Sinking Witness: Lack of depth and reverence to the Almighty

    08/08/2014 12:00:33 PM PDT · 344 of 344
    swampfox101 to C. Edmund Wright

    The first person saved under the New Covenant? A thief on the cross, who had probably NEVER followed a Commandment as an adult.

    The Church had not been established at the time the thief died on the cross. Jesus was still alive. Not only that but Christ has the authority to forgive any and all sins.

    The first person to see the Risen Christ? A prostitute.

    NO, she was a Forgiven sinner and a follower of Jesus. She was no longer a prostitute.

    The first miracle: giving good wine to wedding guests
    already intoxicated.

    Are you sure they were intoxicated? Please give me chapter and verse that quotes these guests as being drunk with wine.

    Yes, we should follow the law - but we are NOT SAVED BY THE LAW. You keep lying about what I’m saying to support your losing theory. God makes no mistakes, and there are no coincidences.

    Why follow the law if it has NO BEARING on your salvation..?
    I never said we are saved by LAW, I said God’s laws aren’t optional. You are the one who said God’s word, which is His law, is optional. God saved us because He is gracious, He gave us a new covenant, He game us the scheme of redemption, we have to do His will, not ours.

    Should you be a thief? NO. Should you be a prostitute? NO. Should you be a drunk, or serve wine to drunks? NO.

    On that we agree. Because they are sinful, which is breaking God’s laws.

    But it’s NOT a salvation determination, unless you willfully persist in such things.

    I agree with you, God’s laws aren’t optional. They must be obeyed. Do we all fall short...? You bet...! Hence we seek forgivenss. Those that ignore God’s laws or consider them optional will surely not be saved....!

  • Contemporary Christian Music's Sinking Witness: Lack of depth and reverence to the Almighty

    08/08/2014 4:33:42 AM PDT · 340 of 344
    swampfox101 to C. Edmund Wright

    I wrote: “. Now please tell me which of the commandments(laws) that Jesus gave us you think are optional?”

    You wrote: “ Well, in the most technical sense, under the grace of the New Covenant, they are ALL optional as far as salvation is concerned.”

    Jesus says: “ “ And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

    4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

    John Writes: ““Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.”(1John:3:4)

    You wrote: “ and none of that, NONE OF IT, contradicts what I said. Not a jot or a tittle….

    God’s laws optional.....!!!! I don’t think so....!

  • Contemporary Christian Music's Sinking Witness: Lack of depth and reverence to the Almighty

    08/07/2014 10:38:58 AM PDT · 337 of 344
    swampfox101 to C. Edmund Wright

    Unedited.....!

    “If ye love me, keep my commandments.” (John 14:15)

    “He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” (1John 2:4)

    Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.(Romans 3:27)

    “Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law”(Romans 3:31)

    Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.(Romans 4:15)

    “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people”:(Heb. 8:10)

    But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.(James 1:25)

    “If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well”:(James 2:8)

    “So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty”.(James 2:12)

    “There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?”(James 4:12)

    “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.”(1John:3:4)

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  • Contemporary Christian Music's Sinking Witness: Lack of depth and reverence to the Almighty

    08/07/2014 5:09:41 AM PDT · 335 of 344
    swampfox101 to C. Edmund Wright

    God’s word speaks for itself. You either believe it or you don’t....!