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Seriously Monkey? You bring up a faith promoting lie about the LDS and expect those of us who know better to NOT respond??

This is an open forum, deal with it or opus out of FR.

Christ is our Cause and a very real cause. Mormons threw the first stone - we are simply defending our faith from their lies.

If you can’t play with the big boys...stay home.

Yet the LDS are supporting the decision the BSA made, you are not. And BSA is a huge part of the LDS culture and church.

Do you think there are Mormons in these towns, perhaps in the local governments?

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Certain towns like Hilldale/Colorado city is ALL FLDS (basically compounds), even the cops. Other towns with lower polygamous numbers are usually strong Mormon towns. And Mormons are notorious for turning a blind eye on the polygamists and the abuses. Even the Utah Atty General and Govenor leave the plygys alone.

Going against your church again, Jeff?

legal ping

Hilldale, AZ/Colorado City. It is the FLDS, Warren Jeffs, the same group that was raided in TX.

The young boys are called ‘The Lost Boys’ but they weren’t really self supporting, over 90% of the women and children were on welfare, medcaid, WIC, etc. The polygamous groups really promote welfare fraud as part of their theology. They call it “Bleeding the beast”.

And, their is slave labor, and some LDS do buy their products down there, I don’t think it is a higher percentage. Binger would know, he lives near the compound.

Polygamy is evil and abusive - ALWAYS.

Check out some polygamy stories - Wife no 19, the TV show (available online) called “polygamy what love is this” by Doris Hanson, Shield and Refuge ministry, helpthechildbrides.com; the book “Under the Banner of Heaven” for starters.

My husband and I are really involved in helping those leave polygamy (esp LDS polygamy), rescue and providing pro-bono legal counsel.

That said, we have at least one polygamist Freeper that I know of.

. Maybe some of the Mormon leadership still have an itch to bring back polygamy.

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LDS apostle Bruce McConkie (and many other LDS leaders) have taught that polygamy WILL be reinstated.

Makes you wonder if Mammon worship isn’t a part of their beliefs.

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Oh it is, the LDS church is a business first by far. And LDS theology is that if you are ‘living the gospel’ (ie being a good faithful Mormon who pays tithing and keeps the Word of Wisdom) you will be financially successful.

There are a lot of gays in Utah, esp SLC, they have one of the largest and most vocal gay demographics and parades in the country.

I like Klingon better, they at least have honor and like weapons.

Good

There are a lot of gays in SLC.

Frankly, I think the LDS leadership is complicit in the destruction of the BSA. I think they want gay marriage nationwide so they can then leverage it into legalizing polygamy.

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Bingo. Also, they are starting to give passes on homosexuality like letting open homosexuals have church callings) because the LDS are LOSING members in droves. They claim 14 million worldwide but only about 4 million of those actually attend church and pay tithing - if you quit going and don’t go through their ‘name removal process’ they will keep counting you as a member until you would be 110, even if you are dead.

The exodus in Mormonism is so great that they are doing all they can to keep members and that is exactly why they are caving in the homosexuals and things like supporting this BSA change.

And you are spot on that this is a prelude to legalization of polygamy and a return to it (the LDS teaches that polygamy will be reinstated).

I don’t know why you are surprised its Utah...I’m not.

“This is an educational effort with civil rights laws as they play into freedom of religion and exercising freedom of religion,”

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Freedom of religion goes both ways. For AND Against. Grey, please ping the FIs as this will affect us as well.

Done

Prayers and condolences for your family 2D.

With the police unions and such it is hard for the police to even get a ‘bad shooting’. IA usually clears shootings and sadly cops will lie for each other.

I have a cousin who is a cop and just about to retire. He doesn’t trust cops anymore.

Although there is a joke in that part of the country about seeing a coal train headed to Rushmore...

Wow, these people really are idiots. Mt. Rushmore CANNOT support any more work, no one else will ever end up on it.

You aren’t wrong on this though.

One thing that helps, is if you understand Mormon history. When the going gets tough, the LDS cave. They have a very strong sense of preservation and hate lawsuits and fear bad PR. If you want them to do (or not do) something, even like have your name removed or avoid excommunication, (we saw this with the editor of Mormonthink.com when he wrote against Romney during the election)go to the media or file a lawsuit (which is why they let blacks have the priesthood). I have predicted for years they will eventually cave to the Homosexual agenda and the first signs are there (like their new website and refusal to excommunicate).

Regarding the LDS I would agree. My thoughts were about Christians and the power to act in Christ’s name.

//what are your thoughts on the fact that Mormon women cannot hold the priesthood?//

My thoughts are, as a Christian - Galatians 3:28

I no longer have a dog in that fight, since their ‘priesthood’ is not Biblical, but I do have some friends on both sides of the debate and both sides have their merits.

I meant on a nationwide scale...lets see what SCOTUS does. If it comes down to a lawsuit and subpoenas (like with blacks and the priesthood) they will get a revelations.

And did the confiscate is dice?

I’m a historian, I never believe movies. LOL. It was a hard trip regarless of religion but the LDS were especially hard pressed regarding supplies.

IIRC around 1852 is when Young insisted that the immigrants supply their own treks and I know many who the church supplied were forced to ‘pay the church back’ for the immigration costs and then some.

I am currently working on transcribing journals of a missionary to Dakota/Nebraska from the period.

My stepfather was good friends with the prince Andrej. I know there is a large group Nasa Kruna that supports restoration. Having lived there, I would love to see it happen.

Thank you for sharing that. It was rough, the supplies were not enough and more LDS died during the trip than all the ‘persecution’ before. This is a decent book that is well documented on the Handcart Tragedy.

Young could have supplied them better but he didn’t, the ‘most righteous’ went in the early treks and the later ones often had to fend for themselves while Young was living like a king.

http://www.amazon.com/Devils-Gate-Brigham-Handcart-Tragedy/dp/1416539891

They NEED a Mormon in the WH, so they can claim the White Horse Prophecy is proof Smith was a prophet. They are losing people right and left - and sadly those who leave and become atheists are treated better than those who leave for traditional Christianity - they need to do something to stem the tide of apostates.

The ministry God has called me to is to help those who leave transition out of Mormonism and even I am shocked at the numbers who are leaving.

If Reid were to run, he would win Utah. I’ll bet money on it.

And they did cover it up. I found out about it when my boyfriend’s father (the rapists shrink and member of the Stake High Council who helped in the coverup) warned me about the man and to never be alone with him and why he was moved to our ward. He broke patient confidentiality in order to protect me.

Later, I found out that one of my friends was a victim of this man and when she wanted to press charges, her bishop said if she did, SHE would be disfellowshipped.

I sourced my claims, it isn’t opinion, it is fact. Your feelings that the Morg is true isn’t based on fact either.

In Palm Springs, the LDS supported rather than fought the gays. The support for Prop 8 came mostly from the Evangelicals and Catholics in a high gay area.

Even when they cave on gay marriage?

The LDS Church will continue to grow and thrive
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Ummm...even your own leaders (Marlin Jensen) say people are leaving the LDS in droves...check your facts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbqf6msLZXM

It’s a standard faith promoting rumor. The LDS don’t even send missionaries to questionable areas or anywhere the government doesn’t allow them formally. Young used the persecution card to keep the Saints together during his blundering of the Handcart tragedy and the early years in Deseret. It is part of their mindset, never mind it has very little to do with reality.

Mormons consider anyone speaking anything negative about them as ‘persecution’. Former Freeper Saundra Duffy once claimed that a LDS missionary was ‘persecuted’ because someone threw a glass of water on her. SMH.

Game.Set.Match.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/child-abuse-cover-up-costs-mormon-church-3-million-71939217.html

http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/joannabrooks/6534/boy_scout__perversion_files__raise_questions_about_abuse_in_mormon_contexts

http://www.standard.net/stories/2012/12/12/man-sues-lds-church-boy-scouts-over-sex-abuse

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=23366547

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/56138958-78/duran-church-girl-document.html.csp

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/55497044-78/bothell-child-church-according.html.csp

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/56185782-78/cordero-child-church-abuse.html.csp

http://ldssexchildabuse.blogspot.com/

http://www.standard.net/stories/2012/12/12/man-sues-lds-church-boy-scouts-over-sex-abuse

On gay Mormons and not being ex’d...

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865568211/Stay-with-us-new-LDS-website-urges-gay-Mormons.html?pg=all

God Loveth His Children, on p. 13 says

“No one is, or ever could be, excluded from the circle of God’s love or the extended arms of His Church, for we are all His beloved sons and daughters. As President Hinckley said: “Our hearts reach out to those who struggle with feelings of affinity for the same gender. We remember you before the Lord, we sympathize with you, we regard you as our brothers and sisters” (Ensign, Nov. 1995, 99).”
http://www.ldsresources.info/ten_issues.php#q6

There are more but you get the idea.

Please explain then, since you think you know everything about the Morg, why my own stake covered up for a rapist and threatened the women who wanted to press charges?

Re your PM accusing me of lying...Prove the lies. I can back it up. I know exactly what I am talking about and I can source it. I can give you plenty of examples of abuse in the LDS church, I can give you a link to the homosexual called to be assistant to the SP.

I was LDS and I now counsel those who leave, every single day I hear more horror stories, even by those who choose to stay for fear of shunning, of abuse in the LDS church.

Your church lies to its members and to the public at large. Take them to task.

I do have firsthand knowledge. They don’t excommunicate like they used to, in part because of the hemorrhage of membership thanks to the interwebs.

Here is the link, this guy wasn’t ex’d like you say he would be. You don’t really know what your church is doing. AFA it not changing, they said that about blacks and the priesthood and polygamy (want quotes?) they caved on that as well.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52486958-78/mayne-gay-lds-ward.html.csp

Also, of all the Churches in the past 200 years, NO Church has withstood more persecution for its values than mormons!

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BS! Christians (real ones) are killed EVERY day for their faith. When was the last time someone was killed simply because they are LDS.

Stop repeating the lies you are told at church.

WWW.Persecution.org

already on it dear :O)

Also, a guy I dated when I lived in Utah (who later decided he was homosexual) was open about it and had a nice LDS funeral when he died in a car accident last year. His boyfriend was president and he was EQ leader. Of course, his parents are wealthy so that may have something to do with it.

Openly homosexual men (gay means happy, there is nothing happy about sodomy) are not allowed membership in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I do not know about spin offs or break away groups but homosexuals and lesbians CANNOT be Latter Day Saints or hold any leadership in the church, period. Unless, of course they are lying to their leaders about their homosexuality.

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Wrong and wrong. It was big news last year, an OPENLY homosexual man was called (and still is) as the assistant to the SP in a stake in Northern California.

This is mainstream LDS, not a breakoff. Sorry bud, but your leaders are caving. Even the news article stated he was openly homosexual and the LDS leadership knew it. Want the source?

How will you react when the ‘revelation’ comes down from SLC allowing gay marriage in the temples?

The sheen has been coming off for a very long time. They spend a lot of money to keep the PR image up.

I work in ministry helping those who leave Mormonism transition to Christianity. All day long, I deal with stories of Mormon leaders covering up sexual abuse and rape, physical abuse, spiritual abuse, white collar crime (very high in Utah), feelings of ‘unworthiness’ and depression caused by the LDS church. The excuse the LDS give is ‘the LDS church is perfect, the people are not’ but that doesn’t explain the coverup by their leadership or the fact they openly lie to their members.

Are you familiar with the OPENLY gay man who is assistant to the LDS Stake Pres in California?

Their views are changing and needs to in order for them to stop the loss of membership.

That is just surface, not reality. Been there, done that, read the book, saw the movie, wore the garments.

I knew they would. If gay marriage becomes legal expect them to have a revelation allowing it in their ‘sacred’ temples.

we have cans of that all over the house for my mother, as well as handguns.

Last week, my godmother came to visit and stole my chocolate frosted pop-tarts. Next time, I’ll just call the cops...

Seriously, this mother should be arrested for wasting resources and CPS should be called - mamma be a few bubbles off of plumb.