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  • Civilian Militia Remains at Bundy Ranch After Standoff Ends

    04/21/2014 6:02:44 PM PDT · 5 of 5
    Oatka to rktman

    Boy, I went through a couple of pages and can see how effective the dumbing down has been. “He broke the law so it’s his fault if the government shoots him” seems to be a common thread.

    Not much on the BLM’s tactical abuse.

  • Illegal Aliens Claim BILLIONS in Fraudulent IRS Child Tax Credits

    04/21/2014 3:17:25 PM PDT · 29 of 29
    Oatka to lbryce

    The flip side: Some years ago I talked with a guy who ran a business up in Oregon. He said the favorite trick of the legals and illegals, of any country, who didn’t work under the table, was to claim eight dependents on their W-4 and pay little if any taxes except for SS. They only claimed eight, because at nine, the IRS, at that time, wanted proof.

    He said it really ticked him off to see guys as young as 18 pull this scam but nobody was interested in following up.

  • Oklahoma will charge homeowners who generate their own power

    04/21/2014 11:05:58 AM PDT · 72 of 75
    Oatka to a fool in paradise
    Your property deed may have them included but it didn’t say anything about wind or sun or rain rights!

    Air is next.

  • Chinese Takeaway: Globalist Gangsters Use Agenda 21 for Nevada Land Grabs

    04/21/2014 10:18:58 AM PDT · 12 of 16
    Oatka to yoe
    An interesting clip from a 2007 Supreme Court decision about a Wyoming rancher who sought to get the BLM nailed on a RICO charge.

    "On that issue, Robbins claimed that the BLM employees violated Hobbs Act, the federal extortion law, which defines extortion as "the obtaining of property from another, with his consent ... under color of official right."
    Robbins' claim failed, Souter wrote, because the act "does not apply when the national government is the intended beneficiary of the allegedly extortionate acts."

    You read that right, when the government is the beneficiary, extortion, allegedly or otherwise, is OK.

  • What Is The Rule Of Law, Anyway?

    04/20/2014 12:54:46 PM PDT · 14 of 16
    Oatka to MHGinTN
    The most disgusting to me were the politicos who glommed onto petty issues, such as the construction of the "Free Speech" zones by the feds and the over-dramatization of a woman being pushed, or a Bundy son being tasered.

    Sorry lady, they weren't "petty", they were symptomatic of the problem and well worth being emphasized.

    Somebody had a photoshopped picture of Himmler inspecting either Jews or Russian prisoners behind barbed wire and inserted a sign saying "Free Speech Area". Spot on.

  • Bundy Ranchers Post Photos of Mass BLM Cattle Graves (What ACTUAL Terrorism looks like)

    04/20/2014 9:50:48 AM PDT · 40 of 97
    Oatka to null and void

    Right click on photo, then click on Save Image Location.

  • Bundy Ranchers Post Photos of Mass BLM Cattle Graves (What ACTUAL Terrorism looks like)

    04/20/2014 9:44:28 AM PDT · 35 of 97
    Oatka to TheGipperWasRight

    My first thought. Katyn Forest anyone?

  • Update: Facebook ‘Everytown’ pro-gun page taken down

    04/20/2014 9:18:52 AM PDT · 4 of 16
    Oatka to rktman

    Bloomberg’s “Everytown grassroots” is the epitome of Astroturf.

  • Western lawmakers strategize on taking control of federal lands

    04/19/2014 4:12:30 PM PDT · 69 of 77
    Oatka to Paladin2
    Good point about the Feds being fiscally insolvent.

    Case in point: The GAO in 2004 (latest I could find) reported that the BLM spent $57-million to collect $17-million in grazing fees.

    As in the old joke, they lose money on every transaction but make it up in volume.

  • Rand Paul urges Harry Reid to ‘calm the rhetoric’ on Cliven Bundy

    04/19/2014 3:59:06 PM PDT · 111 of 111
    Oatka to opentalk
    The Mesquite Desert Valley Times has gone online and has the latest on the BLM abuse.

    Rather long, so just excerpting the first four paragraphs.

    Bunkerville rancher Cliven Bundy is accusing the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and a number of “contract cowboys” working for the agency, of killing and partially burying an unknown number of cattle in a remote “mass grave” on Gold Butte.

    Bundy said Wednesday his sons and other family members found the dead cattle after the men began “getting back to ranching” since an explosive confrontation with BLM officials last Saturday.

    Ryan Bundy, oldest of Cliven’s 14 children, said the “grave” was found while he was working to round up and bring cattle off the Gold Butte area into the Bundy ranch to be branded.

    “They used a backhoe to dig a pit about 50-feet long, 18-feet wide and 10-feet deep that was backfilled with dirt and dead cattle for nearly 20 feet,” Ryan said. “There’s no way to tell how many animals were buried in it.”

    The rest is at:
    Cliven Bundy saga far from over. Rancher says BLM killed cattle

  • BUNDY RANCH: Meet the Coalition

    04/19/2014 12:23:55 PM PDT · 31 of 33
    Oatka to Kevin in California
    I hit Bundy's website, joined the "early alert" list (I live nearby) and got this from his daughter: (posted unedited, underlines mine).

    have had people ask me to explain my dad's stance on this BLM fight. Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it s in a nut shell.
    My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972. These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the servival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars.
    These rights to the land use is called preemptive rights. Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the bureau of land management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repaires and improvements of the ranches.
    My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead they began using these money's against the ranchers. They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with they're own grazing fees. When they offered to buy my dad out for a penence he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren't doing their job. He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down.
    So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes. In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business. Well when buying him out didn't work, they used the indangered species card. You've already heard about the desert tortoise.
    Well that didn't work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years. Now their desperate. It's come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff. Everything their doing at this point is illegal and totally against the constitution of the United States of America.
    Now you may be saying," how sad, but what does this have to do with me?" Well, I'll tell you. They will get rid of Cliven Bundy, the last man standing on the Bunkerville allotment and then they will close all the roads so no one can ever go on it again. Next, it's Utah's turn. Mark my words, Utah is next. Then there's the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn't paid them, those cattle do belong to him.
    Regardless where they are they are my fathers property. His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even exsisted. Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad's signature on it. They think they can take them over two boarders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. (oatka here - Entering Utah on I-15 there is a sign referring to transport of cattle that just went up, I believe in response to the Bundy Confrontation. Will get a pic when I go to there next week.) Then they plan to take them to the Richfeild Aucion and sell them. All with our tax money. They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars. See how slick they are? Well, this is it in a nut shell. Thanks"
    Shiree Bundy Cox
    PS - Come make your voice heard.
    Please Join us at out protest area.
    Time: 8am - BLM goes home home daily Place: Bunkerville Exit on I-15, 3 miles south of Mesquite. Go east 2 miles toward Bunkerville.
    Bring: sun protection, its getting hot. Water, food, cameras.
    DO NOT bring: Guns or wear Cammo patterned clothing.
    This needs to be peaceful law-abiding people showing support. No more, no less.

    "Bunch of right wing nuts looking to make trouble." Yeah, right.

  • Western lawmakers strategize on taking control of federal lands

    04/19/2014 12:05:15 PM PDT · 62 of 77
    Oatka to crz
    Proof? That is pretty easy to prove.

    Do a search on just one agency and get blown away. I entered "BLM abuse" and the house lights dimmed as all the hits were pulled up.

  • Lakeland (FL) SWAT Team Puts New Ride Into Action (Blow out windows on house no one was in)

    04/19/2014 12:01:56 PM PDT · 73 of 79
    Oatka to Sam's Army
    At their current average wage, there's over a half million dollars worth of "talent" in that photo.
  • Lakeland (FL) SWAT Team Puts New Ride Into Action (Blow out windows on house no one was in)

    04/19/2014 11:52:49 AM PDT · 71 of 79
    Oatka to Sam's Army
    From Swat Team Salary in Lakeland, FL

    "The average salary for Swat Team in Lakeland, Florida is $89,732. If you were to work as a Swat Team in Lakeland, Florida you could expect a starting salary of $73,897. You could expect to make a salary of around $105,567 after some time."

    Hey, pretty good wages for strutting around in neat tactical gear, shooting dogs and blowing out windows of unoccupied houses with new military-type toys

    It looks like the SWAT team in Mesquite, NV (Near Bundy's ranch) are pikers. Plugging in Mesquite's zip (89027) reveals:
    "The average salary for SWAT Team in Mesquite, is $53,786. If you were to work as a Swat Team in Mesquite, you could expect a starting salary of $44,294. You could expect to make a salary of around $63,278 after some time."

  • Lessons Learned and Lessons Missed from the Attempted Land Grab

    04/19/2014 11:01:42 AM PDT · 19 of 21
    Oatka to shove_it
    Evidently the local authorities were either not adequately prepared or inclined to “kick them the hell off the land”.

    The County Sheriff has a TON of legal power within his jurisdiction and Federal Law says that ALL agencies must work through that office. All Gillespie had to do was order them off the land or be arrested. Wimpy Sandoval could have instructed him if he didn't act.

    Unfortunately, the good Sheriff (of Nottingham) came from the ranks of The Southern Poverty Law Center (ACLU on steroids) and is a lap dog of the Democrats.

    Sheriff Mack said that Gillespie wrung his hands and said he was powerless - or words to that effect. Unfortunately Part II, Clark County, as is Nevada, is run by Las Vegas and nothing will be done to throw him out.

  • Lessons Learned and Lessons Missed from the Attempted Land Grab

    04/19/2014 10:51:10 AM PDT · 17 of 21
    Oatka to Terry L Smith
    A question, too, about how the water wells were damaged, intentionally, by the BLM thugs.

    Yesterday Bundy reported that 37 cattle were missing, allowing that some may be in the bush. He also reported that they found a 30'x50'x10' trench dug by the BLM that was 1/3 filled. They haven't had the time yet, but they intend to dig up that 1/3 and see how many of the missing cattle are in there. He also reported there was a high mortality rate among the newborns due to the helo roundup. That's gonna impact next years income.

  • Violating Constitutional Rights is the Core of BLM’s Business Plan

    04/19/2014 10:08:53 AM PDT · 15 of 15
    Oatka to Oatka

    Forgot to add that the 10 acres was seized “to conserve open space” - amid a 1.3 million acre preserve.

    I wonder how soon, a la Harry Reid, a “land swap” will be made by some politically-connected crony or elitist enviro-Nazi.

  • Violating Constitutional Rights is the Core of BLM’s Business Plan

    04/19/2014 10:05:05 AM PDT · 14 of 15
    Oatka to logi_cal869

    Another interesting example, this time the Forest Service, in collusion with the politicians:

    The Barries lost.

    And the hand-wringers wonder why the militia show up?

  • Harry Reid DOUBLES DOWN,..calls supporters “domestic violent terrorist wannabes”

    04/18/2014 6:21:24 PM PDT · 91 of 193
    Oatka to ponygirl
    How was the BBQ

    Something got lost in the translation. They had 20 boxes of pepperoni pizza instead.

  • Harry Reid DOUBLES DOWN,..calls supporters “domestic violent terrorist wannabes”

    04/18/2014 5:28:40 PM PDT · 77 of 193
    Oatka to Mariner
    I was issued this "name tag" when I attended today's rally near Bunkerville today.

    The darn thing came off later on at a grocery store so I had to use double-sided tape for the picture.

  • Oath Keepers Pour into Nevada from Across America to Support Cliven Bundy

    04/18/2014 5:22:02 PM PDT · 17 of 48
    Oatka to ConservativeInPA
    This is the first stage of the war. It is not possible to call supporters from all over the nation on a sustained basis.

    Go on Standby:

  • Bundy Ranch Family vs. Big Gov., Big Green, Big Media

    04/18/2014 5:14:53 PM PDT · 9 of 12
    Oatka to Oatka

    I sign up for their email alert and got this nice, informative message:

    Thank you for your support.

    We will try to use this to keep you informed of important developments and things you can do to help us create a bettre world for our children and generations to come.

    Watch your Email and Text messages. We will try to keep you informed but we will not be sending a constant barage of emails to you.

    There are lot of rumors. Just remember if you do not see it here or on our blog its probably not true.

    If you would like to use a hashtag on social media use #bundyranch #clivenbundy #standwithbundy

    PLEASE share the things you like on Facebook and Twitter, that is how we spread the word, but please don’t spread rumors it causes people to lose focus and soon they get tired.

    We desperately need protestors at the Protest site on Bunkerville road every day. We are far from done with this effort. We need to keep the media focused and they will leave if there are not enough protestors. So come out and see us.

    Thank you and love you!!


    PS - don’t reply to these messages, we typically are not monitoring the email account. Kind of busy.”

  • Bundy Ranch Family vs. Big Gov., Big Green, Big Media

    04/18/2014 4:59:21 PM PDT · 7 of 12
    Oatka to detective; mabarker1; SgtBob; Travis McGee; 2ndDivisionVet; Squantos
    Might as well put this here. As per my previous post (#132 at "Reid Calls Bundy Supporters 'Domestic Terrorists' ") I went down to the Bundy "outposts" on State Route 170 this afternoon. There was supposed to be a barbecue, but something got lost in the translation.

    There was to be a 1 p.m. speech by "somebody". TV stations 8 and 13 had vans there. It was 12 p.m. but I thought I'd hang around. A lot more people here today - about 100.

    As I entered the area, I was handed my "name tag" and a small booklet that reprinted the Constitution. Around 1:15 the speech began - by no other than Clive Bundy.

    He thanked us for continuing to show our support. However, there was no amp or Kareoke-type mike, and it was hard to hear him even though I was only 15 feet from the platform. It was windy and it carried his voice away, so a couple of times I just clapped when everybody else did. He had four guys up there with him, all with holstered pistols, with a few in the audience, plus about a dozen in Oath Keepers shirts and caps.

    He got a laugh as well when he said that the BLM agents should be like Boys Scouts helping old ladies across the street and not knocking them down.

    The Q&A session was a bit better in that I could hear what was being asked. One asked about the cattle losses and Bundy said it looked like 37 were missing, but some still might be out in the bush. However, they discovered a 50'x30'x10' deep trench the BLM had dug and a third was filled in. They haven't had a chance to see if cattle were buried there. Another younger guy, maybe his son, said that a lot of calfs were missing and presumed dead.

    There were cars from ten states, with CA and NV being the most prominent, with AZ and UT following. One each from TN, ID, MT, OR, AK and CO. The guy from Montana got up and said he had been fighting BLM encroachments for 15 years and while his situation wasn't as bad as Bundy's, he hoped to God he would have the same support as Bundy had. He said that 10 years ago he have have expected Montanans to rally, but "since so many from California have come here and screwed things up, I have to wonder."

    Following are some new pics and captions of the event.

    A lot more people showed up today.

    Parking lot, showing CH 13 van center left, CH 8 van center lower right.

    My "name tag". The darn thing came off later in a grocery store, so I had to use double faced Scotch tape for the picture.

    Speaker's Platform.

    Useful info.

    Just in case. :-)

    Almost the pickups had pro-Bundy or anti-BLM messages across the back window or tailgate.

    Bundy speaking.

  • Sheriff Mack: federal snipers at Bundy ranch are mercenaries, hit men

    04/18/2014 3:39:57 PM PDT · 70 of 92
    Oatka to mabarker1; SgtBob; Travis McGee; 2ndDivisionVet; Squantos
    Here's my "patch". :-) I was handed my "ID" at this afternoon's press conference outside of Bunkerville. The damn thing tore off when I was in the grocery store, so I used double-sided Scotch tape for the pic. (more elsewhere)

  • Federal appeals court gives Walker win on Act 10 (Wisconsin)

    04/18/2014 10:59:40 AM PDT · 11 of 14
    Oatka to Usagi_yo
    While you may have the freedom of speech and association, nobody is forced to listen

    "The right to swing your fist stops at the tip of my nose."

  • Sheriff Mack: federal snipers at Bundy ranch are mercenaries, hit men

    04/18/2014 8:14:34 AM PDT · 41 of 92
    Oatka to mabarker1

    Thanks - any idea of the outfit?

    We need a list with pics/organizations

  • Sheriff Mack: federal snipers at Bundy ranch are mercenaries, hit men

    04/18/2014 7:44:12 AM PDT · 34 of 92
    Oatka to CodeToad
    Looking at shoulder patches there are a lot of mercs on the federal side.

    For the next time, delegate a few people to take pictures of those patches so they can be catalogued and put on the Web.

  • Labor Fascism in Chattanooga: UAW refuses to take the Volkswagen workers' "no" for an answer.

    04/18/2014 7:35:43 AM PDT · 16 of 18
    Oatka to Sherman Logan; rktman
    My understanding is that German unions are quite different, and are much closer to what labor unions ought to be.

    I was around in the late '40s-early '50s when Germany started to pull itself out of the rubble. I remember reading that their unions, and their members, agreed to hold fast on wages and not demand increases until their economy picked up. This would not have worked anywhere else in the world except in Germany.

  • New York the latest state to sign compact to end electoral college

    04/18/2014 7:30:43 AM PDT · 41 of 56
    Oatka to SeekAndFind

    If they thought the “hanging chad” fraud left the 2000 election in limbo, just imagine Florida x 50: “Presidential Candidate X has garnered 10 million votes, Presidential Candidate Y has 10 million 100. Film at 11.”

  • Rep. Matt Shea travels to Nevada to support defiant rancher

    04/17/2014 8:59:45 PM PDT · 7 of 15
    Oatka to MarMema
    Some protesters remain at the Bundy ranch,

    I was at their outposts on State Route 170, and I will tell you, they ain't agonna leave soon.

  • Just In: Obama Accused By Congressman Of Illegal Action At Bundy Ranch

    04/17/2014 8:56:22 PM PDT · 18 of 154
    Oatka to Jim Robinson; Kevin in California
    Absent a full investigation into the agency’s actions, he concluded, “the federal government must not only stand down, but remove all federal personnel from anywhere near the Bundy ranch.”

    After the tasing and knock down incidents, if not before, Gov. Sandoval should have ordered all Feds from the area by nightfall and instructed Gillespie to arrest any of them found afterward. The guy would have been a hero and (temporarily) mentioned as a potential candidate for President. Instead, he shuffled his feet.

    As for Sheriff Gillespie, he’s either a ball-less coward and/or he’s been paid off (or threatened)

    Were it that simple. The guy came from the Southern Poverty Law Center (Libs on steroids) and is just a lapdog for the Democrats. Las Vegas, knowing all this, still voted him in.

  • Reid Calls Bundy Supporters "Domestic Terrorists"

    04/17/2014 7:04:29 PM PDT · 132 of 177
    Oatka to Andy'smom
    I went down to the "terrorist" area today (04-17-2014). These pics were taken at Route 170 out of Bunkerville, which leads to I-15. Forgive lousy shots as the bright sun wiped out my LCD viewfinder, so I was winging it as to what was being centered. This location was about four miles from exit 112 on I-15. Around 10-15 people there. The guys in cammies didn't look like posers, but rather dusty and flinty-eyed.

    We took the back road out of Mesquite, through Bunkerville, and saw this driveway sign.

    Just before crossing the Virgin River Bridge. The "Southern Outpost" at the entrance road to Bundy's Ranch. Sign says "Bundy Melons" (cantaloupes)

    On the other side of the bridge, the camping area for the guys at the "Northern Outpost"

    Just before the Outpost on the left of the highway.

    The "Northern Outpost"

    Closer in. The railing on the left was festooned with flags for the next quarter mile.

    Looks like these folks are going to stay a while.

    Some of the many signs there. That's the Virgin Valley in the center. About 30 miles 'tother side of the distant mountains you enter Utah.

    This looks to be where Bundy addressed the people.

    This lady was flashing the poster to all who drove by. Most of the time she got honks of support. Told me that there was a Bar-B-Que tomorrow but didn't know the time. I might bring my appetite down there around noon.

  • North Charleston man facing federal charges over $.89 drink refill

    04/17/2014 10:39:46 AM PDT · 26 of 95
    Oatka to Rusty0604
    A hospital spokesperson says it was her understanding that Lewis was aggressive during the confrontation.

    For Crissake, how nebulous is that claim? That's like "I heard it via my brother's wife's sister's uncle."

  • Why One Man Traveled Almost 3,000 Miles To Take On The Federal Government At A Ranch In Nevada

    04/16/2014 7:15:56 PM PDT · 15 of 27
    Oatka to stirrinthepuddin

    Please remember to credit the LV Sun where it was posted by oneladywriter.

    This is a left wing subset of the Las Vegas Review Journal (they couldn’t make it as a separate newspaper and had to be absorbed), so you will see a lot of anti-Bundy comments as well.

  • Why One Man Traveled Almost 3,000 Miles To Take On The Federal Government At A Ranch In Nevada

    04/16/2014 7:09:16 PM PDT · 13 of 27
    Oatka to stirrinthepuddin

    Go for it. I am going to post in on those sites where a majority are chanting “He broke the law!” as if they were trying to summon some entity from another dimension.

  • This Incredible New Footage Shows How Close Bundy Standoff Came To A Massacre

    04/16/2014 7:04:41 PM PDT · 98 of 230
    Oatka to kaehurowing
    The whole Federal government is getting increasingly bad with math, I notice, whether it’s dollars or statistics.

    BLM and the FS typically spend far more managing their grazing programs than they collect in grazing fees.

    For example, the GAO determined that in FY2004, the agencies spent about $132.5 million on grazing management, comprised of $58.3 million for the BLM and $74.2 million for the FS.

    These figures include expenditures for direct costs, such as managing permits, as well as indirect costs, such as personnel. The agencies collected $17.5 million, comprised of $11.8 million in BLM receipts and $5.7 million in FS receipts."

    So, like the old joke goes, they lose money at a 3:1 rate - but make it up in volume.

  • Why One Man Traveled Almost 3,000 Miles To Take On The Federal Government At A Ranch In Nevada

    04/16/2014 6:14:16 PM PDT · 10 of 27
    Oatka to lowbridge

    Letter in the Las Vegas Sun comments section about Bundy:

    “There have been a lot of people criticizing Clive Bundy because he did not pay his grazing fees for 20 years. The public is also probably wondering why so many other cowboys are supporting Mr. Bundy even though they paid their fees and Clive did not.

    What you people probably do not realize is that on every rancher’s grazing permit it says the following: “You are authorized to make grazing use of the lands, under the jurisdiction of the Bureau of Land Management and covered by this grazing permit, upon your acceptance of the terms and conditions of this grazing permit and payment of grazing fees when due.”

    The “mandatory” terms and conditions go on to list the allotment, the number and kind of livestock to be grazed, when the permit begins and ends, the number of active or suspended AUMs (animal units per month), etc. The terms and conditions also list specific requirements such as where salt or mineral supplements can be located, maximum allowable use of forage levels (40% of annual growth), etc., and include a lot more stringent policies that must be adhered to. Every rancher must sign this “contract” agreeing to abide by the TERMS AND CONDITIONS before he or she can make payment.

    In the early 90s, the BLM went on a frenzy and drastically cut almost every rancher’s permit because of this desert tortoise issue, even though all of us ranchers knew that cow and desert tortoise had co-existed for a hundred+ years. As an example, a family friend had his permit cut by 90%. For those of you who are non ranchers, that would be equated to getting your paycheck cut 90%. In 1976 there were approximately 52 ranching permittees in this area of Nevada. Presently, there are 3.

    Most of these people lost their livelihoods because of the actions of the BLM. Clive Bundy was one of these people who received extremely unfair and unreasonable TERMS AND CONDITIONS.

    Keep in mind that Mr. Bundy was required to sign this contract before he was allowed to pay. Had Clive signed on the dotted line, he would have, in essence, signed his very livelihood away. And so Mr. Bundy took a stand, not only for himself, but for all of us.

    He refused to be destroyed by a tyrannical federal entity and to have his American liberties and freedoms taken away. Also keep in mind that all ranchers financially paid dearly for the forage rights those permits allow – - not rights to the land, but rights to use the forage that grows on that land.

    Many of these AUMS are water based, meaning that the rancher also has a vested right (state owned, not federal) to the waters that adjoin the lands and allow the livestock to drink. These water rights were also purchased at a great price.

    If a rancher cannot show beneficial use of the water (he must have the appropriate number of livestock that drinks and uses that water), then he loses that water right. Usually water rights and forage rights go hand in hand.

    Contrary to what the BLM is telling you, they NEVER compensate a rancher for the AUMs they take away. Most times, they tell ranchers that their AUMS are “suspended,” but not removed. Unfortunately, my family has thousands of “suspended” AUMs that will probably never be returned.

    And so, even though these ranchers throughout the course of a hundred years invested thousands(and perhaps millions) of dollars and sacrificed along the way to obtain these rights through purchase from others, at a whim the government can take everything away with the stroke of a pen. This is the very thing that Clive Bundy singlehandedly took a stand against. Thank you, Clive, from a rancher who considers you a hero.

  • ‘Not over’? Feds coy over next move in Nevada rancher standoff

    04/16/2014 7:53:54 AM PDT · 58 of 58
    Oatka to Olog-hai

    After watching the BLM thugs threaten/sic their dogs on the protesters, I wonder if spraying a 50-50 solution of ammonia and water on pant legs would deter the K-9s. A spray around where you stand might prove interesting, but you’d probably be arrested/shot for attacking a fellow officer.

    I noticed also the stiff-arm stance as they sprayed mace on some of the people. Would have been great to have someone yell, “You’re doing it the wrong way”, give the Hitler salute and continue “now repeat after me, ‘Seig Heil” ‘ and have it all recorded and YouTubed.

  • Judge Napolitano on Bundy Ranch: "The Most Dangerous Part Of This Is Yet To Come"

    04/15/2014 9:31:01 PM PDT · 33 of 57
    Oatka to i88schwartz
    I personally know the sheriff to whom you're referring and I know him to be a person of the highest intellectual honesty. He also has the highest fidelity to the constitution,

    I dunno about that. Sheriff Gillespie came from the ranks of the Southern Poverty Law Center and is a loyal Democrat. He will do whatever the Dems say, not the Constitution.

  • Alex Sink Passes on Second Try for FL-13 Seat

    04/15/2014 2:10:04 PM PDT · 13 of 16
    Oatka to Hojczyk

    Alex Sink ist sperlos versenkt. (Fate of many German U-Boats in WWII)

  • Woman Killed Hit Man With Her Bare Hands (Video)

    04/15/2014 1:47:04 PM PDT · 48 of 73
    Oatka to NFHale
    Don’t ask permission, juts do it.

    "It is better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission".

    I can't tell you how many times, with few exceptions ("that's not your job") , that worked for me. Usually I was applauded for "initiative" or ignored, as things turned out better than non-action.

  • I Went To The Bundy Ranch Protest This Week-end & Liked What I Saw --(11 Pictures)

    04/14/2014 8:39:50 PM PDT · 27 of 30
    Oatka to virgil283
    "I'm from the governments and I'm here to . . ." (from the site)

  • I Went To The Bundy Ranch Protest This Week-end & Liked What I Saw --(11 Pictures)

    04/14/2014 8:37:55 PM PDT · 26 of 30
    Oatka to SgtHooper

    “How did they get regulated off their land? Fail to pay fees? Retire? What are the specifics for each of these ranchers?”

    Here’s a 2010 YouTube where Nye County (north of Vegas) Sheriff Tony DeMeo explains their method at 2:50:
    “beneficial use”

  • I Went To The Bundy Ranch Protest This Week-end & Liked What I Saw --(11 Pictures)

    04/14/2014 8:15:12 PM PDT · 25 of 30
    Oatka to Falcon4.0
    The government is not going to balance the deficit on the backs of cattle ranchers like Bundy even if they all paid the grazing fees.

    Found on the Internet (link brings up the organization, but a "404" on the article. It doesn't look like an outfit that would follw this, though. Caveat Emptor):

    "BLM and the FS typically spend far more managing their grazing programs than they collect in grazing fees. For example, the GAO determined that in FY2004, the agencies spent about $132.5 million on grazing management, comprised of $58.3 million for the BLM and $74.2 million for the FS.

    These figures include expenditures for direct costs, such as managing permits, as well as indirect costs, such as personnel. The agencies collected $17.5 million, comprised of $11.8 million in BLM receipts and $5.7 million in FS receipts." cited from"

  • Nevada follows Utah in exploring transfer of public lands

    04/14/2014 3:19:43 PM PDT · 27 of 47
    Oatka to Paine in the Neck
    Sandoval appears to be running hard to get back in front of the parade. His involvement in the Battle of Bundy’s Cattle was weak tea and certainly hurt him politically. This is an effort (welcome just the same) to repair some of the damage.

    When Bundy's son was tased, Sandoval should have said something like "That's It! All federal officers are to vacate the area with 24 hours. After that time, I order the County Sheriff to arrest any who remain." The guy would have leapt in national prominence - for and agin, which would have been a win-win for him, whatever his ambitions are.

  • Nevada ranch standoff could leave dirt on Harry Reid’s reputation

    04/13/2014 6:29:05 PM PDT · 15 of 83
    Oatka to maggief

    It behooves the Washington Times to print out the history of Reid’s sweetheart deals with the BLM as well as the deals he pushed through for friends. This guy is DRIPPING dirt.

    For openers, they should check out the 2006 article “Harry Reid’s Real Estate Investing Plan” at

    I posted that suggestion there. Hopefully, someone high up will read it and take action.

  • Shocking Allegations Show Harry Reid, Chinese Company Behind Nevada Ranch Standoff

    04/13/2014 11:03:46 AM PDT · 83 of 99
    Oatka to Mariner
    Did a court order BLM to seize the cattle, or was that a threat issued by the court pending further action?

    From the article:
    "The ruling again would allow BLM law enforcement agents to remove feral cattle and cattle with Bundy’s brand from the Gold Butte area, which has been designated as habitat reserved for the protected desert tortoise."

    Bundy claimed he didn't recognize the Fed's claim.

    No friend of the BLM here, just trying to air everything so we don't get blind-sided.

  • Link with more Bundy photos

    04/13/2014 10:50:01 AM PDT · 20 of 30
    Oatka to Nachum
    "We're from the government and we're here to . . .

    (I DO like the shadwos, which outnumber the Feds)

  • Beyond Clive Bundy: The Real Range War and Why We're Losing

    04/13/2014 10:37:28 AM PDT · 23 of 32
    Oatka to IDontLikeToPayTaxes

    “Just once I would like to see a governor or sheriff put up some resistance to the Feds.”

    You’ll love this guy - Sheriff Tony DeMeo of Nye County (north of Vegas) and another illegal BLM land grab:

    Part I of III (9:31) Watch 3:55-5:09 for their tactics.

    Heartwarming comment to a Federal threat to take the cattle by force: “Your SWAT team will face our SWAT team”.

  • A-Z Index of U.S. Government Departments and Agencies

    04/13/2014 10:22:39 AM PDT · 17 of 30
    Oatka to mdittmar
    Not to be outdone, here's California's

    "Acupuncture Board"???