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Christian America lost itself years ago.

First when we acquiesced to contraception being legalized, then when we acquiesced to “no fault” divorce and then we we slowly accepted and acquiesced to the normalization of premarital sex. “Sex ed” in the government schools, liberalism in the mass media and the acceptance of same and worse, our embrace of college as “an experience” for our kids, and Voila~, here we are!

All this played out over the generational span of the WWII to Korean War to Vietnam War era Baby Boom coming of age. We mixed in and accepted the idea of “recreational drugs” and “weekend flings”, soft core and then hard core porn and now we act shocked at where we are.

If you care, take your kids, grand kids and neighbors kids out of the “free” schools the government provides, get them into home school/private school/church schools as fast as you can. If you have money, share the burden with those who do not. If you do not, humble yourself and find a way.

Or stop whining. Accept that the queers who told you what they want - see http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/queernation.html - are winning and that you and your children will live in a pagan, anti-Christian world, hunted and despised for their faith.

Are you a Soldier for Christ or a fair weather friend, a summer patriot not interested in the battle? Well?

Grant him eternal rest, O Lord and may the perpetual light shine upon him.

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So how would a faithful Catholic respond to the calumnies above at 821?

A poster expresses an odius opinion, clearly his opinion. Since we cannot make this about him or his opinion or even his expressed beliefs, no matter how weird or whacko they may be, what is acceptable?

No sweetie, you can call anything you want any name you want. That changes nothing. You really are not that important.

Our Lord gave us His Church, a Universal (that is CATHOLIC) Church that has existed since He created it. You can warble all you want and make up whatever bizarro faux history makes you feel good. It matters not even on little bit.

Credo in Deum Patrem omnipotentem;
Creatorem caeli et terrae.

Et in Jesum Christum,
Filium eius unicum, Dominum nostrum;
qui conceptus est
de Spiritu Sancto,
natus ex Maria virgine;
passus sub Pontio Pilato,
crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus;
descendit ad inferos;
tertia die resurrexit a mortuis;
ascendit ad caelos;
sedet ad dexteram Dei Patris omnipotentis;
inde venturus est
iudicare vivos et mortuos.

Credo in Spiritum Sanctum;
sanctam ecclesiam catholicam;
sanctorum communionem;
remissionem peccatorum;
carnis resurrectionem;
vitam aeternam. Amen.

In English:

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.

I believe in Jesus Christ,
his only Son, our Lord.
He was conceived
by the power of the Holy Spirit,
and born of the Virgin Mary,
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
He descended into hell.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
he will come again
to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen

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In the Religion forum, on a thread titled One Hundred Fifty Reasons I’m Catholic - And You Should Be Too!, Syncro wrote:

In fact none were until about the 3rd century when Catholicism started and history was re-written to declare the Apostles Catholics!

ROTFLMAO, see what goofy faux history the Church of One teaches?

There ya go, no eed (sic) to worry then what we who have the Catholic Faith believe. Be happy, you and well, you can be happy.

Noise. Calling someone Christian means little, especially when they reject Our Lord’s clear Word and His Church.

What do you care sweetie? You are certain you have all the answers, why do you care what the True Church teaches?

As for what the True Church teaches, it is all available, go to the Catechism and learn, or not.

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In my observation, it's easy for "lone ranger" Christians, those who choose to not associate with a local body of believers, or are too lazy to, to go off the rails into doctrinal crazy-land.

Yep, they wander into "the church of one" and get truly weird.

In the Religion forum, on a thread titled Do I have to be a Member of a Local Church to Follow Christ?, metmom wrote:

Actually, no, nobody HAS to be a MEMBER of a local assembly to follow Christ. However, they should attend a local assembly.

Said no Apostle, ever.

What about the 3rd Commandment? (Asks Salvation, quite correctly!)

“Remember to keep holy the Lord’s Day.” Does that mean joining a church and going to Mass or a service? I think it does.

“Can’t defend your “fullness of the gospel”?”

No need to, the Catholic Church does that for me.

As for what the True Church teaches, it is all available, go to the Catechism and learn, or not.

Again, what do you care sweetie? You and your cult of one knows all, and needs no one, right?

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Why?

As for what the True Church teaches, it is all available, go to the Catechism and learn, or not.

Again, what do you care sweetie? You and your cult of one knows all, and needs no one, right?

“Historically true.”

Not. But if your odd little cult wants to live the lie, go for it.

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My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.

In the Religion forum, on a thread titled One Hundred Fifty Reasons I'm Catholic - And You Should Be Too!, Syncro wrote:

Catholicism started about 300 years after Jesus did his earthly Ministry in a human body.

The Gospel according to Syncro. Odd, historically false, but he appears to believe it.

They share the same Spirit, Word, and Sacrament.

What "Sacrament" is that?

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“Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died;
this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die.

I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.”
The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?”

Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.

For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.

This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”

These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum
Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This saying is hard; who can accept it?”

Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, “Does this shock you?

What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?
It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

But there are some of you who do not believe.” Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him.
And he said, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father.”

As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him

Jesus then said to the Twelve, “Do you also want to leave?”

Simon Peter answered him, “Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.

We have come to believe and are convinced that you are the Holy One of God.”
Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you twelve? Yet is not one of you a devil?”

He was referring to Judas, son of Simon the Iscariot; it was he who would betray him, one of the Twelve.” [John 6: 49-71]

“Jesus said to them again, ‘Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.’ “

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"You could care less what Christ says, even when his Words are plainly written in your own Catholic version of the bible."

As for what the True Church teaches, it is all available, go to the Catechism and learn, or not.

Again, what do you care sweetie? You and your cult of one knows all, and needs no one, right?

Indeed!

If these are just remarks to dismiss me, then I will consider myself dismissed and stop here.

Oh please. You really should.

In the Religion forum, on a thread titled Testimonies from ex-Roman Catholic Priests, editor-surveyor wrote:

From the crushing of Yeshua’s Way in the early 4th century by Constantine’s systematic persecution of all that followed Torah, there is a clear gap that is more than a millennium long. Rome crushed the worship of Yeshua, replacing it with gussied-up sun god worship declared to be Christianity.

Yep, that is the “gospel” according to editor-surveyor and his “cult of one”. Just another Sunday on the FR Religion Forum, where one after another “cult leaders of one”* attack the Catholic Church. A sad ritual, but it appears well established here.

(*When asked the “cult leaders of one” claim they follow the Bible, not any denomination. Odd, but they almost all claim that. Then they agree with each other that the Catholic Church is wrong, evil and satanic - but nothing else.)

As for what the True Church teaches, it is all available, go to the Catechism and learn, or not.

Again, what do you care sweetie? You and your cult of one knows all, and needs no one, right?

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p122a5p1.htm

PART ONE
THE PROFESSION OF FAITH

SECTION TWO
THE PROFESSION OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH

CHAPTER TWO
I BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, THE ONLY SON OF GOD

ARTICLE 5
“HE DESCENDED INTO HELL. ON THE THIRD DAY HE ROSE AGAIN”

631 Jesus “descended into the lower parts of the earth. He who descended is he who also ascended far above all the heavens.”476 The Apostles’ Creed confesses in the same article Christ’s descent into hell and his Resurrection from the dead on the third day, because in his Passover it was precisely out of the depths of death that he made life spring forth:

Christ, that Morning Star, who came back from the dead, and shed his peaceful light on all mankind, your Son who lives and reigns for ever and ever. Amen.477
Paragraph 1. Christ Descended into Hell

632 The frequent New Testament affirmations that Jesus was “raised from the dead” presuppose that the crucified one sojourned in the realm of the dead prior to his resurrection.478 This was the first meaning given in the apostolic preaching to Christ’s descent into hell: that Jesus, like all men, experienced death and in his soul joined the others in the realm of the dead. But he descended there as Savior, proclaiming the Good News to the spirits imprisoned there.479

633 Scripture calls the abode of the dead, to which the dead Christ went down, “hell” - Sheol in Hebrew or Hades in Greek - because those who are there are deprived of the vision of God.480 Such is the case for all the dead, whether evil or righteous, while they await the Redeemer: which does not mean that their lot is identical, as Jesus shows through the parable of the poor man Lazarus who was received into “Abraham’s bosom”:481 “It is precisely these holy souls, who awaited their Savior in Abraham’s bosom, whom Christ the Lord delivered when he descended into hell.”482 Jesus did not descend into hell to deliver the damned, nor to destroy the hell of damnation, but to free the just who had gone before him.483

634 “The gospel was preached even to the dead.”484 The descent into hell brings the Gospel message of salvation to complete fulfilment. This is the last phase of Jesus’ messianic mission, a phase which is condensed in time but vast in its real significance: the spread of Christ’s redemptive work to all men of all times and all places, for all who are saved have been made sharers in the redemption.

635 Christ went down into the depths of death so that “the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.”485 Jesus, “the Author of life”, by dying destroyed “him who has the power of death, that is, the devil, and [delivered] all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong bondage.”486 Henceforth the risen Christ holds “the keys of Death and Hades”, so that “at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth.”487

Today a great silence reigns on earth, a great silence and a great stillness. A great silence because the King is asleep. The earth trembled and is still because God has fallen asleep in the flesh and he has raised up all who have slept ever since the world began. . . He has gone to search for Adam, our first father, as for a lost sheep. Greatly desiring to visit those who live in darkness and in the shadow of death, he has gone to free from sorrow Adam in his bonds and Eve, captive with him - He who is both their God and the son of Eve. . . “I am your God, who for your sake have become your son. . . I order you, O sleeper, to awake. I did not create you to be a prisoner in hell. Rise from the dead, for I am the life of the dead.”488
IN BRIEF

636 By the expression “He descended into hell”, the Apostles’ Creed confesses that Jesus did really die and through his death for us conquered death and the devil “who has the power of death” (Heb 2:14).

637 In his human soul united to his divine person, the dead Christ went down to the realm of the dead. He opened heaven’s gates for the just who had gone before him.

476 Eph 4:9-10.
477 Roman Missal, Easter Vigil 18, Exsultet.
478 Acts 3:15; Rom 8:11; 1 Cor 15:20; cf. Heb 13:20.
479 Cf. 1 Pet 3:18-19.
480 Cf. Phil 2:10; Acts 2:24; Rev 1:18; Eph 4:9; Pss 6:6; 88:11-13.
481 Cf. Ps 89:49; 1 Sam 28:19; Ezek 32:17-32; Lk 16:22-26.
482 Roman Catechism I, 6, 3.
483 Cf. Council of Rome (745): DS 587; Benedict XII, Cum dudum (1341): DS 1011; Clement VI, Super quibusdam (1351): DS 1077; Council of Toledo IV (625): DS 485; Mt 27:52-53.
484 1 Pet 4:6.
485 Jn 5:25; cf. Mt 12:40; Rom 10:7; Eph 4:9.
486 Heb 2:14-15; cf. Acts 3:15.
487 Rev 1:18; Phil 2:10.
488 Ancient Homily for Holy Saturday: PG 43, 440A, 452C; LH, Holy Saturday, OR.

And why do care what the True Church believes? You have your own little cult, be happy! Hey, does your cult actually have a name, or is it just you and the few who listen to you?

See, you go your way - the rest of us will follow Our Lord.

(And that you cut-n-paste incomplete sections to play point scoring games reflects on the true immaturity of your efforts. Do read the whole section if you are truly interested. Or not if your nature remains perfidious, sweetie.)

So? Again, what do YOU care?

The boring noise you make is still boring, no wonder your cult has just you in it.

As for what the True Church teaches, it is all available, go to the Catechism and learn, or not.

Again, what do you care sweetie? You and your cult of one knows all, and needs no one, right?

Or play the editor-surveyor games that lead away from the True Church and into the land of desolation.

Credo in Deum Patrem omnipotentem;
Creatorem caeli et terrae.

Et in Jesum Christum,
Filium eius unicum, Dominum nostrum;
qui conceptus est
de Spiritu Sancto,
natus ex Maria virgine;
passus sub Pontio Pilato,
crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus;
descendit ad inferos;
tertia die resurrexit a mortuis;
ascendit ad caelos;
sedet ad dexteram Dei Patris omnipotentis;
inde venturus est
iudicare vivos et mortuos.

Credo in Spiritum Sanctum;
sanctam ecclesiam catholicam;
sanctorum communionem;
remissionem peccatorum;
carnis resurrectionem;
vitam aeternam. Amen.

In English:

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.

I believe in Jesus Christ,
his only Son, our Lord.
He was conceived
by the power of the Holy Spirit,
and born of the Virgin Mary,
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
He descended into hell.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
he will come again
to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen

Why? What do you and your odd little cult of one care what anyone else believes?

“You certainly have chewed up a lot of bandwidth to prove I am irrelevant.”

And in doing so he landed your irrelevance on post number 666, good job Vlad!

You have your own little cult, be happy. I have the fullness of the One True Church. You go your way, I will go His way.

“When’s the RCC going to do something about THEM?”

Why do YOU care? What is it to you and your odd little cult?

Why? Since your opinions on faith are so outre and well documented, what interest would anyone have in your questions or opinions sweetie? Your odd “church of one” interests me not even a little.

As for me and mine, we will serve the Lord and honor His Birthday, His Resurrection and his weekly Day of Worship exactly as His Church defines them. Yours, well you seem happy in your odd little congregation of your own self, so why do you care what me and the billion or so Catholic and Orthodox followers of Christ believe?

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