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Posts by LurkLongley

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  • GOP Operative On Donald Trump: “He’s Most Likely Finished.”

    10/05/2015 4:55:24 AM PDT · 92 of 116
    LurkLongley to Chgogal

    Not enemies, self-absorbed idiots who can’t seem to get their heads out of their offshore bank accounts.

  • The Carson Cure for Obamacare

    10/05/2015 4:42:38 AM PDT · 7 of 30
    LurkLongley to ClearCase_guy

    Please. Let’s quit asking each other who we’re for. It has the creepy feeling of a litmus test. Post an article, make a pithy comment, but this Trumpmance on FR starts to get old. We are talking about Dr Carson’s plan, I believe. Please continue, pray, pardon the interruption.

  • A supermodel wife and Sarah Palin: How Donald Trump hopes to solve his 'sexism problem'

    09/08/2015 4:43:02 AM PDT · 10 of 22
    LurkLongley to Cringing Negativism Network; All

    We used to look for some moral, ethical probity in our candidates. I, for one, hope I am not the only conservative that looks askance at Mr Trump’ s personal life and wonder what it reflects of his interior life.

    I don’t have any attachments to particular candidates at this point ( Cruz and Walker are near the top, but I am willing to be convinced by Trump ), but I still value values.

  • When Donald Trump Talks Higher Taxes, Does GOP Listen?

    09/08/2015 4:29:03 AM PDT · 6 of 54
    LurkLongley to expat_panama

    Don’t worry about taxes. THE DONALD has it all covered. Your eyes are getting veeery sleeepy. Just repeat after me

    There’s no place like touchback amnesty...

    There’s no place like touchback amnesty...

    There’s no place like touchback amnesty...

  • Is Trump Supporting Touchback Amnesty? (VANITY)

    09/08/2015 3:59:45 AM PDT · 29 of 36
    LurkLongley to Read Write Repeat

    WE NEED TO DO ...


    NO GOPe...

    No specifics from The Donald? No problem. We’re sure he has all the answers...someplace. How do we know?...

    HE’S STRONG...



    Sheesh. Doesn’t anyone get tired of this. There isn’t any more dissenting opinions allowed. FR is now the all Trump all the time site. I skip comments for the most part now.

  • Donald Trump Wanted To Make Charlie Rangel HUD Secretary In 1999

    09/03/2015 3:46:36 AM PDT · 29 of 115
    LurkLongley to nathanbedford

    Spot on. I have great enthusiasm for what Trump has done to shake up the race but his koolaide drinkers are getting to be a bit much.

  • Advice to Donald Trump's Over-Praisers and Over-Criticizers

    08/21/2015 7:39:29 AM PDT · 27 of 38
    LurkLongley to papertyger; All

    That’s not shouting, but, you know what I’m talking about.

    Even your comment displays my concern. I’ve seen some pretty decent media smackdowns by other candidates, but no one but the D can handle the media. I don’t think that is fact.

    I’m not talking about conspiracies, I’m talking about the selection of the BEST candidate based on their positions, policies, and ideals, the last once considered the cornerstone of all the others. Their ethics if you want a secular term.

    George W was not my favorite president, nor was he by far my least. You are unfortunately correct about his ability to communicate, but he was an honorable man. I wonder about the D’ s ethical, moral foundations.

  • Advice to Donald Trump's Over-Praisers and Over-Criticizers

    08/21/2015 5:11:11 AM PDT · 22 of 38
    LurkLongley to LurkLongley

    Supposed to be Daily Kos. Darn Otto Korrect. Terrible proofreader.

  • Advice to Donald Trump's Over-Praisers and Over-Criticizers

    08/21/2015 5:08:40 AM PDT · 21 of 38
    LurkLongley to hondact200

    Spot on. I have been a FReeper for many years. Our primary bench is the best that we have had in all of the year’s of my adult life (and I remember LBJ in office). Suddenly we have a multiplicity of conservative choices, and anything other than full throated love of the D is shouted down. This is starting to resemble the Daily Los or DU. I’m here to discuss and debate with my fellows, not get shouted at by sycophants of ANY candidate. I think that we have a long way before we decide on a nominee, and I, for one, would like to see all of the candidates thoroughly vetted before we all stampede to get behind this extremely nominal conservative.

    I’m not saying that I dislike or wouldn’t vote for the D, I just think that it’s too soon to annoint anyone, especially given the proven winners we have running (Cruz, Walker, Carson).

  • New York Churches Receive Tearful Farewells

    07/28/2015 5:57:31 AM PDT · 15 of 26
    LurkLongley to chrisser; All

    Actually, that is beginning to happen in some places.

    Check out to see a good example.

  • Russell Wilson Says He and Ciara Will Practice Abstinence Until Marriage

    07/07/2015 5:39:05 AM PDT · 19 of 22
    LurkLongley to nickcarraway

    Guess I read that wrong, still, the article article’s tenor made it sound as if they had not been practicing previously. Again, probably a misread on my part.

  • Russell Wilson Says He and Ciara Will Practice Abstinence Until Marriage

    07/07/2015 3:37:30 AM PDT · 12 of 22
    LurkLongley to Pollster1

    He is a flaming hypocrite. If they are going to “practice” abstinence before marriage, it sounds as if their practices were not going so well prior to their engagement, or did I read this incorrectly?

  • Was The Papacy Established By Christ? (Part 2)

    06/21/2015 3:17:05 AM PDT · 77 of 81
    LurkLongley to ealgeone

    Neither is Lutheran, Anglican, etc. Rome certainly has a mention or two (not very positive in some cases).

  • Was The Papacy Established By Christ? (Part 2)

    06/20/2015 6:47:29 PM PDT · 70 of 81
    LurkLongley to ealgeone

    We don’t, you do. Catholic simply means universal, as was clearly understood by the early church. We refer to ourselves as Catholic (universal) Christians. I am a disciple of Jesus of Nazareth, the Magisterium of Holy Mother Church merely exists to serve all of the savior’ s disciples. As the title of the pope suggests; Servant of the Servants of God.

  • Was The Papacy Established By Christ? (Part 2)

    06/20/2015 5:44:55 PM PDT · 68 of 81
    LurkLongley to ealgeone

    You are, unfortunately correct, but, don’t feel bad, there is room in Holy Mother Church for you as well as the rest of us 1.2 billion CHRISTIANS. As for the rest, there is room for all, and no one needs be a counterfeit Christian when the real thing is available.

    Seriously? I feel tremendous sorrow for you if you actually believe that steaming pile of horse hockey.

  • Was The Papacy Established By Christ? (Part 2)

    06/20/2015 3:52:31 AM PDT · 32 of 81
    LurkLongley to .45 Long Colt

    Sorry, it was late, I was tired after long travel, and I viewed this “scholarly” piece as another in the long series of back and forth flame wars that are ALWAYS occurring on FR.

    Thank you for your recognition of my possible Christianity, I am saved and I give thanks to God every day for it.

    I mentioned Luther only in passing to illustrate the point about human inventors of all other sects.

    I wish Godspeed on your journey, and I will issue a warning and an invitation. Be not so certain that all of your clever memorization of scripture and its attendant “understanding” isn’t the whisper of Satan in your ear, and I would welcome you home to full communion with Christ’s Bride our Holy Mother the One Holy Roman and Apostolic Church.

  • Was The Papacy Established By Christ? (Part 2)

    06/19/2015 8:37:21 PM PDT · 21 of 81
    LurkLongley to MHGinTN

    I am saved by the atoning suffering and death of my Savior and given the hope of the eternal life by His Resurrection. Any and all “works” which I perform are to conform my will more closely to His.

  • Was The Papacy Established By Christ? (Part 2)

    06/19/2015 8:27:39 PM PDT · 20 of 81
    LurkLongley to .45 Long Colt

    So, now, not only am I not a Christian, but I am a follower of the Enemy! The only thing I see here is a pathetic attempt by a pygmy Martin Luther who believes that they can discern the unfathomable plan of the Creator of the universe better than the men and women who ate and drank at our Lord’s side. I’m going to stick with the faith handed down from the Apostles rather than the one invented by your uncle, your next door neighbor’s wife, or the wino at the end of the block.

    There is such a thing as ultimate Truth, and Christ is he. He left us the Church and gave the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven to Peter and his successors. I am sorry that this leaves all of the little Papal wannabes out in the cold, but, my Lord made the rules, it’s up to you if you want to follow Him, or your little man-made churchlets.

  • Was The Papacy Established By Christ? (Part 2)

    06/19/2015 7:58:37 PM PDT · 15 of 81
    LurkLongley to Talisker

    As a matter of fact, it does, my snarky post is a perfect example. It’s a reaction ( albeit a wrongheaded one ) to the feeling that as Latin Rite Christians, we are always being attacked, but, as Christians we are all under attack from the evil one until Our Saviour returns. It’s one of the main reasons I don’t post anymore. Why should I fight you? I think I can find better uses for my time.

  • Was The Papacy Established By Christ? (Part 2)

    06/19/2015 7:33:59 PM PDT · 12 of 81
    LurkLongley to RnMomof7

    Well, I am a little cranky tonight and I was going to post a snarky comment like...

    “Gosh. Thanks ever so much for setting me straight, and here I thought all this time that Jesus words were enough for me, but you are obviously so much better informed than he as to his plan, that we all need to seek you out whenever we are too intellectually incurious as to seek the plain meaning of biblical texts, oh, wait that would sort of make you...the Pope!”

    But, what I will say is that I am sick of the constant infighting between Christians on FR. Read the post about what Mike Huckabee had to say today. If you really think that your quarrel is with the Latin Rite Catholic Church, you’re in for a rude awakening when the rainbow crowd ships you off to be reeducated.

  • Don Wade, longtime radio host, dies at 72

    09/09/2013 5:45:25 AM PDT · 9 of 14
    LurkLongley to Ray'sBeth

    Spot on. The morning lost a lot when Don and Roma left, and Jake went home so unexpectedly. A sad day for Roma and for commonsense Patriots everywhere,but, a rockin’ great radio day in heaven! We love you Roma, Don is at peace.

  • Women should stay out of workforce (Letter to Editor)

    08/20/2012 9:32:55 AM PDT · 74 of 78
    LurkLongley to Sherman Logan; All

    You are correct, I would only differ in one respect, and that is that, while proverbs extols the virtues of the industrious wife, it is in the overall context of the woman being the primary caregiver to the children until they were old enough to begin becoming industrious themselves, a trait learned in the laps of their mothers.

    I would suspect that most housewives of the fifties and prior were not so conspicuously idle as you seem to suggest. Being a wealthy, or even of moderate means, in prior gererations meant employing a number of people to “run your household”. The wives and mothers who had the ability in this country to stay home often did the work that would have been required of several others only 100 years earlier.

    I dare anyone to suggest to my mother that she didn’t work as hard as anyone in the workforce (as good a Christian woman as ever walked this earth) ‘cause she’d show you what a switch was for!

  • Women should stay out of workforce (Letter to Editor)

    08/20/2012 6:57:10 AM PDT · 48 of 78
    LurkLongley to Mister Da; All

    Spot on, as is the author. As another poster pointed out, the dynamic of a stay-at-home mom, as we remember it, is a relatively new, and almost uniquely American idea. Prior to the late 19th century, women worked as much and as hard as men, as did children, although in an agrarian culture, the wife’s work did consist of more of the “household” chores, but that was due to the work being more suitable to her than farming the fields or operating the mill (not that some did not do that).

    If anything, that brief, idyllic period should remind us of what we have given up in the last 60 years as our culture and our government have changed and grown beyond all recognition. Even in some of the posts agreeing with the author, there is just a hint of condecension when referring to those who don’t “plan” correctly.

    Pope Paul VI had it right all those years ago. First comes the denial of the obvious differences between men and women, and the attempt to make them the same. Then comes the “planning” of families (forget about God being a partner in your marriage) and then comes abortion as the stop-gap contraception. In a world where the act that was designed for procreation becomes simply another pastime, why wonder that culture has all but fallen apart.

    This author’s opinion would not solve all of the problems to which he alluded, although it would alleviate them to some degree, however, it is only another small symptom of the greater breakdown of American society in general.

  • Catholic Identity Once Again

    06/10/2012 6:51:02 AM PDT · 3 of 9
    LurkLongley to Jedidah

    Everything that the article discussed is rooted in scripture as described fully in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. You should read it sometime, it is the ONLY fully articulated and fully scritptural explanation of Christian doctrine (not Catholic, but Christian) that I am aware of.

    This article was merely a logical dissection of the arguments of a few old hippie nuns who are still fighting the Vietnam war and protesting Richard Nixon.

  • "Church" The Golden Calf of Today?

    05/19/2012 9:43:43 AM PDT · 5 of 9
    LurkLongley to BastropBarbie; All

    I agree, blah blah blah.

    Sounds like our poster needs to go back to the only church that Christ founded and has all of the attributes he’s looking for. Time to come home to Rome.

  • The Vatican is Full of Moles and Spies

    02/16/2012 8:01:09 AM PST · 3 of 6
    LurkLongley to The Sons of Liberty

    Agreed, with one exception. I find it mind bogglingly(sic?) beautiful that the Spirit uses even the banality of man as part of His plan. We are so much smaller than the works of God.

  • Sausalito Presbyterian Church welcomes first openly gay pastor

    02/04/2012 5:55:50 AM PST · 11 of 14
    LurkLongley to swampfox101; All

    Despite your negative reaction to names which are nothing more than a title of respect, I think that the previous post was spot on. Call him what you will, but, he is the successor to St Peter to whom Christ himself gave the keys to the kingdom and promised that even the gates of hell would not prevail against it.

    He is there as the final arbiter. Christ knows our weakneses. Remember what he told the Pharisees about why Moses allowed the Jews to divorce. He knows that we will always find a way to justify our behavior and gives us through his teaching, the apostles and their successors to help guide us. The church is far from perfect, but Christ promise that the Spirit would be with her always is enough for me, who am i to question my God.

    Say what you will, but the profusion of Protestant sects is simply a fact,and one question which Sola Scriptura never quite manages to get around is, what makes ANYONES interpretation of scripture any more or less valid than anyone else’s? If that is the case, then why is this interpretation of the teachings of Jesus any less valid than yours?

    This sect or that sect could find obscure language that tells them that those in a committed relationship with a dog, or a building, or three partners are just great with Jesus, after all, He never specifically prohibited them.

    That is why, like it or not, Our Lord gave us the Church, warts and all.

  • Mohler [Southern Baptist] Says Insurance Mandate Not Just 'Catholic' Issue

    02/02/2012 5:51:13 AM PST · 43 of 46
    LurkLongley to wmfights; All

    So your point is that only Catholics voted for O? No evangelicals did?

    As for your history comment, if you’re referring to US history, it is Catholics who have been the most oppressed religious group, Mormons excepted, in our country. If on the other hand, you are referring to more ancient history, I doubt that there is any Protestant religion that came from the old country that doesn’t have as many troubles with “religious liberty” as the Church.

    I doubt that any post will cure you of your bitterness toward me and the Church, that is something that only you can ask Our Saviour for help with, but, I would come to your defense to practice your religion without gov’t interference any time. I mean that.

  • Mohler [Southern Baptist] Says Insurance Mandate Not Just 'Catholic' Issue

    02/01/2012 1:49:22 PM PST · 24 of 46
    LurkLongley to wmfights

    Wow someone needs to get over the hatred of the Church for just long enough to realize that this is a fight that we all need to be concerned about, and, for once, something that we can all agree on, doctrinal differences aside.

  • Catholic Word of the Day: PURGATORY, 01-30-12

    01/30/2012 6:44:13 PM PST · 24 of 26
    LurkLongley to LevinFan; All

    Purgatory is much misunderstood. In the most simple terms, think of seeking forgiveness from another for a theft. In addition to their acceptence of your apology, you would also be expected to make recompense for your theft, the forgiveness is a gift, freely given by the one wronged, it is seperate from the recompense. A just man, even should his apology be refused, would still consider himself bound to the recompense.

    Think of ourselves as the thief. We have all stolen from God and offended Him in our sin, this we all agree on.
    We are offered forgiveness for all of our sins freely by our Saviour, but, that does not release us from the obligation of recompense, not if we truly are just. As Lewis put it so well, we would not WANT to walk in God’s sight knowing that there was payment due him.

  • Pope: Other Christian Denominations Not True Churches

    01/03/2012 7:51:47 AM PST · 283 of 332
    LurkLongley to bjorn14; All

    Please excuse my rants, as they were written in anger at the anti-Catholic bigotry that reared its ugly head long before I saw any Protestant bashing, but, two wrongs do not make a right, and i apologize freely and sincerely for my anger.

    As a Catholic, however, seeing the person of Joseph Ratizinger, whom I and 1.2 billion others revere as the Holy Father being called the Po Po and less savory things, touched a nerve.

    The Holy Father’s comments were meant to be read and reflected upon by Catholics. They were meant to correct and clarify the Church’s position for Catholics so that they may have a clear statement of the Church’s rather ambiguous stance of the last forty years vis a vis our seperated brothers, it is not meant to be taken as an insult by anyone else.

    That being said, is anyone really suprised that the leader of the Church confirmed that Apostolic Succession is required for a true Church? Otherwise, why bother being a Catholic in the first place? There is a reason that our seperated brothers are called Protestant, you protest!

  • Pope: Other Christian Denominations Not True Churches

    01/02/2012 4:31:23 PM PST · 107 of 332
    LurkLongley to 1malumprohibitum

    Me thinks that you need to educate yourself before spouting off about subjects which you neither understand nor seem capable of hearing in the context they were meant.

    Gee let’s see, a church founded by the Lord or one founded by... who founded yours, anyway?

  • Pope: Other Christian Denominations Not True Churches

    01/02/2012 4:27:38 PM PST · 99 of 332
    LurkLongley to Nervous Tick

    How dare you slander someone you don’t know and obviously don’t have the brains to understand? I will pray for the souls of all of the heretic followers of the perderast failed monk who spawned all of your self (not “bible”) centered worship groups who all seek to carry the mantle of the church entrusted to Peter like little kids who look up to the big teenager on the block.

    Go home and read your bible as the Holy Father’s words obviously are too subtle for you.

  • Requirement to consider gay couples for adoption forces IL. Catholic Charities affiliates to close

    12/31/2011 6:05:46 AM PST · 21 of 21
    LurkLongley to avenir

    The problem IMHO is that we are so self absorbed, that most Christians have forgotten that there are three people involved in the decision to have children, a father, a mother, and God (not neccessarily in that order). Using contreception simply removes God from that process, just like we have tried to in every other aspect of our daily lives.

  • Sola Scriptura and the Early Church

    12/30/2011 2:11:18 PM PST · 18 of 65
    LurkLongley to Gamecock

    Thank you. You have managed to completely change my spirit, and I see now how we have been deceived ever since those patristic fathers time and only Martin Luther was able, with the able assistence of John Calvin, Joel Osteen and about 20,000 other so called “theologians” to determine the truth. By the way, whose “truth” do you espouse?

    I hereby renounce my allegiance to the Church. sarc/ off

    Who do you suppose put the Scripture into its written form? Or were we still in that magical period where unicorns and fairy dust still floated out of the arse’s of the “Patristic Fathers” instead of the homely gases that issue from our poor deluded Successors to the Apostles today?

    No thanks. I think I’ll stick with the One True Church, founded by Christ himself, warts and all. You keep on searching scripture for that “special verse” that’s been missed by all the rest of us for the last 2000 years, and let me know when you find it, where the Lord says that everyone will believe whatever they want and that no one’s interpretation of Scripture is better than anyone else’s.

    We had that argument once, it was called Pelagianism.


  • Requirement to consider gay couples for adoption forces IL. Catholic Charities affiliates to close

    12/30/2011 11:38:52 AM PST · 18 of 21
    LurkLongley to avenir; All


    It’s as if Paul VI had a crystal ball when he wrote Humanae Vitae all those years ago. To think of the scorn and abuse heaped on that poor man for that one encyclical, it is amazing that he was proved right one thousand percent.

    Shame on all those “Christians” who chide us “ignernt” Catholics who don’t practice birth control. If you knew how many times some self-absorbed “christian” ask me with a sneer “ are these all yours?”, or, “you’ve never heard of the pill?”.

    Sick, our culture is sick.

  • The Two-Edged Sword of Conservatism

    12/29/2011 8:03:20 AM PST · 15 of 30
    LurkLongley to A_perfect_lady

    Compassionate, but false. The state can take your the fruits of your labor by force. This is not charity, it is robbery under state authority.

  • The Two-Edged Sword of Conservatism

    12/29/2011 7:42:58 AM PST · 13 of 30
    LurkLongley to A_perfect_lady; All

    Because, many Christians confuse the obligation of charity, which is a PERSONAL obligation with the so called charity of the nanny state. They are too shallow to comprehend the internal change which begins with repentence and manifests itself in the way in which you live your life and charity is only one of those manifestations.

    Social conservatives too often confuse the moral absolutes which are the obligations of a person who has surrendered to Christ with the law. It has been proven time and time again that it is difficult, if not impossible, to legislate morality.

    Change comes from within.

  • Reformation Sunday 2011: How Would Protestants Know When to Return?

    11/03/2011 8:38:12 AM PDT · 11 of 150
    LurkLongley to Dutchboy88; All

    Hence, the author’s question as it seems that reunion with your fellow Christians is not even an option.

  • Camping May 21 Rapture and the Replacement Theology Lie

    05/22/2011 7:00:26 AM PDT · 354 of 942
    LurkLongley to presently no screen name; All

    The bottom line as spoken by you; the ultimate authority on all things Christian, or, wait, is it the “common knowledge” of which you speak?

    Also, I need no proof reader, the proper word is devotion; although venerate, rervere, reverence are also proper, your other adjectives are improper and don’t in any way describe our relationship with Our Lord’s mother.

  • Camping May 21 Rapture and the Replacement Theology Lie

    05/21/2011 7:22:03 AM PDT · 76 of 942
    LurkLongley to RegulatorCountry

    The Lord uses all to his own ends.

    His promise to be with his Church forever is all I need to know.

    Like any family, members can disagree, but, at the end of the day there is still someone to make a decision. Follow it or not at your our eternal peril.

    Regardless, I simply wanted to point out the standard Catholic bashing.

  • Camping May 21 Rapture and the Replacement Theology Lie

    05/21/2011 7:03:57 AM PDT · 66 of 942
    LurkLongley to Quix
    As a Catholic, this whole end times debate sort of amuses me and reading this thread only continues to show me why Our Savior established One Church and she continues to this day to show the way to him, whether in Marian devotion, or, other forms of worship. We have been given the gift of not having to have endless debate.

    Regardless, I read this thread, not really to read the posts between the various camps involved here but because I knew that there had to be at least one Catholic bashing post.

    Thank you, my brother in Christ, for not letting me down!

  • Pope's Visit to the UK: He Came, He Saw, He Conquered Hearts. Now the Work Begins

    09/21/2010 6:43:50 AM PDT · 18 of 118
    LurkLongley to TSgt

    If Our Lord is both fully human as well as fully divine, I don’t think that anyone is bound to be closer to him than his own Mom. I’m thinking, if she’s anything like mine, I’ll put money on her any day.

    I seriously doubt that, short of not living up to the ideal that he left us with, there is very much you or I or anyone else could do to “insult” our Lord’s sacrifice. That’s the point of the sacrifice in the first place.

  • Pope's Visit to the UK: He Came, He Saw, He Conquered Hearts. Now the Work Begins

    09/21/2010 6:00:46 AM PDT · 13 of 118
    LurkLongley to TSgt

    Really? You have first hand knowledge of this, then?

    Have you ever considered that YOU might be wrong and your relative might have been right?

  • Pope's Visit to the UK: He Came, He Saw, He Conquered Hearts. Now the Work Begins

    09/21/2010 5:48:08 AM PDT · 10 of 118
    LurkLongley to TSgt

    Why ridicule a belief that you don’t share? The belief in the Scapular obviously brought your relative comfort, how can that be a bad thing.

    I know of some stranger things that I have seen in “evangelical” churches and they make the belief in the Scapular look pretty darn tame.

    I still wear my First Communion Scapular. Don’t knock it if you haven’t tried it.

  • Pope's Visit to the UK: He Came, He Saw, He Conquered Hearts. Now the Work Begins

    09/21/2010 5:42:48 AM PDT · 9 of 118
    LurkLongley to squarebarb; All

    Yeah, it’s a mystery to me especially when, if they bothered to explore it, they would find that they have much more in common with their Catholic brothers and sisters than they would have ever expected.

  • Pope's Visit to the UK: He Came, He Saw, He Conquered Hearts. Now the Work Begins

    09/21/2010 5:30:28 AM PDT · 6 of 118
    LurkLongley to Quix; All

    The consistent misunderstanding of Catholic Christian teaching on every thread having to do with Catholicism on this site never ceases to amaze me.

    Are you all jealous or what?

    If you want to comment on my church and its beliefs, be certain that you do no harm to me, or the Church, but, it kind of belittles you that you won’t take the time understand the fullness of what the Church teaches before you take the time to trash her again and again. She has been persecuted before and she is still here.

    Thou art Peter, and upon you as upon a rock will I build my church!

  • Priests have been 'worse' than silent on contraception, says canon law expert

    09/19/2010 5:12:17 AM PDT · 62 of 81
    LurkLongley to Clemenza

    Well... Since you want to ignore the spiritual aspect, which to me IS the issue, how about the demographic one.

    Americans are only hanging onto a productive replacement rate due to the family sizes of your poor immigrant, low IQ (although how you figure that leaves me wondering) and all. Meanwhile Europe is in the midst of demographic suicide. There will be no cultural Europeans in the very near future.

    Your “supporting the brood” comment kills me. It was not too many years ago that my Grandparents raised 13 kids, during the depression, and the “brood” all lived and thrived. It’s a straw man argument. Sounds good, but all reality refutes it.

    The United States is less a nation than an ideal, one we have, at times, failed to live up to. There is no reason that a Mexican immigrant (legal of course-we can discuss immigration reform if you want, but that’s a separate issue) cannot become every bit as much an American as you or me, although your views are a little bit scary if you think that the Church’s consistent support for God’s plan for procreation is something that has never been thought of before. If you truly want answers, the Church is ready for you to discover for yourself what She teaches and why.

    The invitation is open.

  • Priests have been 'worse' than silent on contraception, says canon law expert

    09/18/2010 8:52:46 AM PDT · 20 of 81
    LurkLongley to Vaquero; All

    The planet is overcrowded? The wrong people are breeding?

    Did I just wander into the Margaret site, or, perhaps the Better Living Through website.

    How do you know the planet is overcrowded? What is the magic number? I won’t even ask about how you decided which people should be breeding.


  • Priests have been 'worse' than silent on contraception, says canon law expert

    09/18/2010 8:02:02 AM PDT · 12 of 81
    LurkLongley to Vaquero; All

    To respond with all clarity, one would need to read Humanae Vitae, by Paul VI, or the Catholic Catechism to understand the full answer to your questions, but, the simple answer is that contraception, like abortion, interfere’s with God’s plan for humanity’s continued preservation.

    In the case of abortion, the parents are depriving God of his role in deciding the outcome of that pregnancy and of that being, their life.

    In the case of contraception, the decision to create life is not one that is in the hands of just the couple involved, there is a third party, and that is God. Contraception tries to place man above God in the decision of when to create life. Also, the pill IS an abortificant as it prevents the fertilized egg from implanting in the uterine wall.

    Real Catholics may, for extaordinary reasons, use natural family planning methods but they must always be receptive to life, whether it fits into their plans or not. We make this pledge to each other and to God in our wedding vows.