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  • That’s more like it! Watch Donald Trump Jr.‘s excellent convention speech

    07/20/2016 9:23:38 AM PDT · 14 of 15
    JAKraig to BenLurkin
    I have no idea who wrote his speech but he hit it out of the park, at the end he referred to his dad as his mentor and his best friend. What idiot would have Hillary for a best friend?

    I have turned into a Trumpster.

  • John Kasich's very public snub to Trump as he holds party for Republican 'friends' [trunc]

    07/20/2016 7:09:06 AM PDT · 54 of 92
    JAKraig to bgill
    The sad thing is that he could have gotten on the bandwagon and helped win Ohio in the general. I think Trump will win Ohio and when he does K-sick will have no leverage, have no thanks, he will be done.

    Trump could have used the party organization that Kasich has put together but will now have to spend resources to reorganize. Kasich is toast in national politics because of his own stupidity. Kasich will be too old to run in 8 years but he doesn't know it.

    What an idiot.

  • Jeff Sessions ignored on Fox & Friends(Vanity)

    07/19/2016 8:20:52 AM PDT · 39 of 42
    JAKraig to central_va
    Sessions gave a great speech but the hall was mostly quiet. There were many applause lines that didn't draw any applause, just dead silence. GOPe doesn't understand that free trade does not mean suicide. Trumps approach to trade deals is what we need.
  • Right Side Broadcasting is reporting that the never Trumpers are staging a coup détat [DEFEATED!]

    07/18/2016 1:55:30 PM PDT · 180 of 619
    JAKraig to arthurus

    I will say that the never Trumpers made quite a ruckus. They weren’t as loud as the pro Trumpers but they really did make a lot of noise.

  • Right Side Broadcasting is reporting that the never Trumpers are staging a coup détat [DEFEATED!]

    07/18/2016 1:32:08 PM PDT · 91 of 619
    JAKraig to SueRae

    The chair simply shut it down by having a voice vote and declaring the never Trump as the looser in the vote.

  • Open Season on Cops

    07/18/2016 7:54:46 AM PDT · 13 of 33
    JAKraig to Kaslin

    There are a lot of wonderful cops who are selfless in serving their community, there also are plenty of bad cops who put themselves ahead of everybody else then shoot first and ask questions later.

    To have a lawful and peaceful society we have to take the bad cops with the good cops and follow the orders of all cops whether we like it or not. We have to hope that eventually we will have a day in court and someone will sort out the truth. When we don’t do this then we get to a lawless society where it is much worse. Not only then will cops shoot first but so will everybody else that has a gun.

    Bad cops need to pay for their mistakes. Good cops need to stop covering up those mistakes. Cops are trained and know what to do in a given situation, if they are too afraid to do their job as trained then they need to find another vocation.

    I believe in cops and hope that most of them are good members of society that want to serve but I’m also smart enough to realize that like any other group there are bad apples in the barrel. It should be ok to get rid of the bad apples. It should be ok to admit we have a few bad apples.

    We have bad doctors, we have bad lawyers, we have bad politicians and bad you name it. It is time to admit the truth.

  • Philando Castile had a permit to carry from Hennepin County

    07/18/2016 7:42:46 AM PDT · 244 of 268
    JAKraig to IChing

    You falsely mischaracterize my position.

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    I’m sorry you believe that way. I have gone back and re-read all your posts and my responses to them, I do not believe I have what you said wrong. Perhaps you don’t mean what you say but what you said is in writing. You should perhaps re-read and re-evaluate.

    From my reading of your words you have assumed that the cop killed a criminal, a criminal that you believe was reaching for his gun after robbing a store to keep from getting caught, that is at least your implication.

    It is me who says we don’t know and in this country when we don’t know we have a presumption of innocence not guilt as you have ascribed.

  • Philando Castile had a permit to carry from Hennepin County

    07/18/2016 7:07:12 AM PDT · 240 of 268
    JAKraig to IChing
    Furthermore, not only was Castile indeed a criminal, evidenced by chronic scofflaw/misdemeanor non-compliance and illegal drug use shown on video, we DO NOT know for a fact that he wasn’t one of the robbers in question.

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    I guess we don't know for sure that Castile was not the robber in question but that can be said for millions of other blacks certainly 100’s of thousands in the vicinity.

    Saying that someone should be dead because he may have been someone that someone described as a robber and saying that someone is a criminal for traffic violations is only showing your extreme racism. That is a hard thing for me to say, I a white guy from Kentucky, I remember telling black people to sit at the back of the bus in the 50’s so don't confuse me with being some liberal nut job.

    Racial discrimination is wrong and worse, it is immoral. I'm not against profiling, I understand that believing a person is more likely a bad guy because he is black and smokes weed but that is not a reason to kill him before you find out. That is what happened here. What you said in effect is that since it was possible that he was the robber then he deserved to die, that attitude belongs to a time long since past and to a South that no longer exists. It is is time to grow up and realize that all people are people.

    This was a contributing member of society and was killed down without good reason. Since tax dollars supported the killer then it is on all of us who's money supported the cop to bear the responsibility for it. When we do nothing to stop it it will happen again and again, some day we will have to answer for our inaction. I have chosen to speak out against the wrongs committed on innocent people, I will not hide my head in the sand and watch innocent people be punished for the mistakes of others.

  • Philando Castile had a permit to carry from Hennepin County

    07/18/2016 5:53:25 AM PDT · 236 of 268
    JAKraig to IChing

    ...and your remark about killing a man for matching a robber description is more b.s., he reached toward his gun when ordered not to reach. Smh

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    That is your subjective reasoning. He was told to show his license, he reached down and was shot. Ok, maybe the cop thought he was reaching for his gun, we don’t know what the cop thought because he has not made a public statement, certainly though there is no evidence to support that. The man was not a criminal. It is not criminal to be stupid and he did what the cop told him to do instead of saying, “look I have a gun are you sure you want me reaching down toward it to get my papers out of my wallet?”

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not calling this murder but it was a mistake that did to have to happen. The dead guy was only guilty of exercising his constitutional right to carry, oh, and he happened to be black.

    I understand the fear of black men wearing dreadlocks and carrying guns but it does not make it a crime. Trayvon Martin was a thug who got what he deserved, gentle giant, hand up mike was a thug who got what he deserved but Castile was not a bad guy.

    You should start carrying a weapon and then you will start to understand what happened. Hopefully you will be smarter than Philando Castile was if you are pulled over and asked to produce papers. This one really bothers me, it just didn’t have to happen and I’m afraid the cops will protect the shooter who made the mistake by trying to make Castile look like a bad guy.

  • Philando Castile had a permit to carry from Hennepin County

    07/17/2016 8:31:23 PM PDT · 226 of 268
    JAKraig to IChing
    You said:
    B.S.! His hair, clothing, glasses and other features most certainly DID match the robber’s.

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    NO!

    You are wrong on all counts.

    Yes black men have black hair and both the suspect and the dead man had black hair. While both men had long hair like about 70% of all young black men they did wear it much different and the store hold up suspect had hair about twice the length of the dead man.

    While both men may have had a form of T-shirt on the dead man's shirt was not the color of the suspect.

    While it is true that both men wore pants the dead man had different color pants on than the suspect’s description.

    While they both did indeed have shoes they were described much differently.

    Glasses? you mean they both had sun glasses like about 95% of all black men? Get real.

    About the only thing they both had in common is that they both had guns and both were black. Simply not enough information to kill a man for.

  • Philando Castile had a permit to carry from Hennepin County

    07/17/2016 8:31:18 PM PDT · 225 of 268
    JAKraig to IChing
    You said:
    B.S.! His hair, clothing, glasses and other features most certainly DID match the robber’s.

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    NO!

    You are wrong on all counts.

    Yes black men have black hair and both the suspect and the dead man had black hair. While both men had long hair like about 70% of all young black men they did wear it much different and the store hold up suspect had hair about twice the length of the dead man.

    While both men may have had a form of T-shirt on the dead man's shirt was not the color of the suspect.

    While it is true that both men wore pants the dead man had different color pants on than the suspect’s description.

    While they both did indeed have shoes they were described much differently.

    Glasses? you mean they both had sun glasses like about 95% of all black men? Get real.

    About the only thing they both had in common is that they both had guns and both were black. Simply not enough information to kill a man for.

  • Philando Castile had a permit to carry from Hennepin County

    07/15/2016 12:27:52 PM PDT · 177 of 268
    JAKraig to Timpanagos1
    Philando did it the right way and applied for and received a gun permit

    I’m not saying I would have hired Philando to manage my 401k or to remove my appendix, but there is no evidence he was a bad citizen.

    The accusations that Philando was a “thug” and a felon are not based on objectivity and tainted with bias.

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    Timpanagos1 sums it up pretty well here. Those that keep saying it is good to have him off the streets have a real bias problem. This was a decent citizen, not great citizen, I don't know why he couldn't keep a drivers license.

    The cop made a mistake. It is a mistake perhaps other cops would have made too. What I don't understand is why so many people think it was OK to kill him just because he had a gun. He had every right to have the gun. I want to say this again, he had every right to have his gun, even to have it concealed. I personally believe he was shot because a nervous cop saw the gun and wanted to make sure he was able to go home that night when he got off work so he neutralized the threat, except it wasn't a threat except in the mind of the cop.

    Now was the dead guy a dead ringer for someone who held up a store? Probably not but he was black and so was the robber. He did not have on any of the same clothes, his hair did not match the description, oh, he did have a broad nose. Well most blacks do have a broad nose.

    I am upset that this guy is dead. I carry and can see something like that happening to me. So far I have been careful enough to have my hands where the LEO can see them and I already have my papers out in sight before the LEO comes to the car. There is no requirement for me to have my hands in plain sight or my papers ready, I just am nervous about getting shot for having a gun.

    No matter what happened here IT WAS A BAD SHOOT! The cop should not have shot and if he could have a do over I'm sure he wouldn't. We don't get do overs and this cop in that instant thought he needed to shoot, HE WAS WRONG. Stuff happens. In this situation the cop made a mistake that cost a man his life and a LEO his vocation. It is sad all around, trying to make the dead guy look bad won't fix it.

    I hope all CCW permit holders have learned a lesson from this screw up. I hope all LEO’s who see this learn a lesson too. You see just because a lot of people are bad it is not an excuse to treat everybody as bad. Just because you see a lot of inner city black youth that need a good killin does not mean that every black person you see deserves to die and I see that over and over again in this thread.

    I wish this had never happened, whatever the baby mama gets from the city will not bring her baby daddy back.

  • Philando Castile had a permit to carry from Hennepin County

    07/13/2016 7:59:55 PM PDT · 124 of 268
    JAKraig to Karl Spooner

    You accused him of driving under the influence. He wasn’t driving stupid.

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    I don’t know if he was stupid or not but he was driving. The picture that shows him shot in the car was turned around backwards, he was indeed the driver.

    He apparently had a gun in his lap, that is not illegal, even covering it up so the cop won’t see it isn’t illegal if you have a CCW permit and he apparently did. The fact that the address change had not been made was only an administrative mistake.

    It is too early to make a judgment about what happened here BUT early indications are that it was a bad shoot. The cop got scared when he saw the gun. The guy had as much right to have the gun as the cop did. I think the guy was kind of stupid to have a gun on his lap and not have his hands in plain sight all the time.

    It sounds like he got killed for having a broad nose and a gun on his lap, neither of those things is illegal. I hope evidence comes up to make the cop look like he did the right thing but so far it isn’t looking good.

  • You Carry Every Day. Do You Know What to do if You’re Pulled Over?

    07/10/2016 7:59:32 AM PDT · 21 of 155
    JAKraig to VR-21

    I was once stopped and was told if I left my gun where it was he would do likewise.

  • The Curious Case of Philando Castile – Falcon Heights, MN Police Shooting (More Info)

    07/08/2016 6:40:34 AM PDT · 35 of 106
    JAKraig to fella
    We don't know what happened.

    If the cop had been wearing a body cam we would know for sure exactly what happened.

    It does look like from preliminary evidence (I use the term evidence very loosely) that the cop fired his gun prematurely. Perhaps he had good reason and perhaps he didn't, I hope if he had good reason that cops get this information out quickly. If he didn't have a good reason and this guy was really a stand up guy it is horrible that he should be shot complying with officers commands. If the cops made a mistake they need to own it, admit the mistake and do what they can to restore peace. If it was a mistake the cop needs some punishment, I have a gun if I use it wrongly you better believe I would have to pay big time.

    I carry, legally. I would never reach into any pocket with a cop beside me. They know I carry even before I tell them. I don't want to give them an excuse. If they want my gun I tell them where it is with my hands as far away from it as possible. If they want it they can get it.

    Cops are ordinary people, a necessary evil in society. We don't like cops until we need them. They truly do on occasion have to make very difficult decisions, it is a wonder they don't make more bad decisions. I don't think most ever want to kill anybody but they do have an obsession with getting home safely.

    All that said, I have doubts that the officer asked for license, he was not the driver. He may have wanted to see identification to make sure he was who he said however since there had been a recent robbery and he fit the description of the perp. Just because someone fits a description however is not a reason to shoot.

    I really hope it turns out that the dead guy was a bad guy but I don't believe it will turn out that way from the information we have so far.

  • The Curious Case of Philando Castile – Falcon Heights, MN Police Shooting (More Info)

    07/08/2016 6:40:32 AM PDT · 34 of 106
    JAKraig to fella
    We don't know what happened.

    If the cop had been wearing a body cam we would know for sure exactly what happened.

    It does look like from preliminary evidence (I use the term evidence very loosely) that the cop fired his gun prematurely. Perhaps he had good reason and perhaps he didn't, I hope if he had good reason that cops get this information out quickly. If he didn't have a good reason and this guy was really a stand up guy it is horrible that he should be shot complying with officers commands. If the cops made a mistake they need to own it, admit the mistake and do what they can to restore peace. If it was a mistake the cop needs some punishment, I have a gun if I use it wrongly you better believe I would have to pay big time.

    I carry, legally. I would never reach into any pocket with a cop beside me. They know I carry even before I tell them. I don't want to give them an excuse. If they want my gun I tell them where it is with my hands as far away from it as possible. If they want it they can get it.

    Cops are ordinary people, a necessary evil in society. We don't like cops until we need them. They truly do on occasion have to make very difficult decisions, it is a wonder they don't make more bad decisions. I don't think most ever want to kill anybody but they do have an obsession with getting home safely.

    All that said, I have doubts that the officer asked for license, he was not the driver. He may have wanted to see identification to make sure he was who he said however since there had been a recent robbery and he fit the description of the perp. Just because someone fits a description however is not a reason to shoot.

    I really hope it turns out that the dead guy was a bad guy but I don't believe it will turn out that way from the information we have so far.

  • Louisiana officer fatally shoots suspect, sparking protests

    07/06/2016 9:01:15 AM PDT · 35 of 37
    JAKraig to july4thfreedomfoundation
    Did you sue those jackbooted aholes?

    And/or tell you story to the media?

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    How very much I would have liked to make a big stink but I live in a small town and I was told that they could make my life miserable. After spending one night in jail they made me a believer about making my life miserable.

    I had some really horrible thoughts about what I could do to the arresting officers personally but finally got over it. Sometimes being a Christian is hard.

  • Louisiana officer fatally shoots suspect, sparking protests

    07/06/2016 6:06:59 AM PDT · 28 of 37
    JAKraig to Sasparilla
    This looks like a horrible shoot. Note, I say “looks” like. When we see all the videos we will know more but, it sounds like the man was killed because he was carrying a gun.

    I was once stopped for a traffic violation, it was during a parade and my driveway (a few hundred yards long) was being used as the finish line. A cop denied me access to my drive. My dog was in the car and barked at the officer. The officer put his hand on his weapon like he was getting ready to pull it out, I asked if he was going to shoot me. He had me get out of the car and started frisking me and found my concealed (legally) weapon. He started freaking out and yelling at the top of his voice “Gun!, Gun!, Gun!”. At that time three other officers came running at me. I thought I was going to be killed. Instead I was locked up for the night for disorderly conduct. It was a really bad experience for me. I need medicine every 4 hours and was denied while in jail. It was summer so I was in shorts and short sleeved shirt. The Jail was kept at 65°F to ward off infections I was told. I nearly froze to death and was racked with pain without my medicine.

    I say all that because some cops do bad stuff just because they can and get away with it. One of my sons was a cop and they used to stand around talking and laughing about the horrible things they did to people.

    I realize that society needs cops, probably most cops are good people but some, not just a few are not good people.

    It looks to me like this poor guy was killed because he had a gun in his pocket. He was already on the ground being tazed when he was shot. It just so happened that the cops lost their body cams in the “struggle”.

    This is sickening. It does not just happen to blacks but every once in a while BLM has something to complain about, this looks like one of those times.

  • Rolls-Royce expects remote-controlled cargo ships by 2020

    06/26/2016 8:45:58 PM PDT · 25 of 33
    JAKraig to r_barton

    Someday all jobs will probably be done by automation or robots. What then? What will people do to make a living? If the world economy is going this way, what will people do to earn the money to buy the goods made by automation? Automated goods so cheap to make they are free? Guaranteed income for all? Something will have to change.

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    This will happen, and it will happen relatively quickly when it does. When it happens there will be a huge change in societies. With no labor for the masses all there will be is welfare. Only land owners will be getting ahead. Eventually robots will take over repair functions. The government will get bigger and bigger.

  • Microsoft to kill off Surface 3 in December

    06/26/2016 8:32:15 PM PDT · 10 of 19
    JAKraig to mk98052

    I have not moved to the the Surface 3 or 4 yet because of the larger size. I love my Surface Pro 2 which is much faster than the Surface 3 and an easier size for a tablet.

    The Surface line is what Windows 8 was designed for and they really did well with that operating system, not quite so much with 10 although it may be the best of both worlds.

    When the Surface Pro 2 is too slow for the software I need I may be in trouble and have to go to a larger Surface.

  • Trump’s Speech About Hillary Was Terrifyingly Effective (the Left is terrified)

    06/22/2016 2:10:56 PM PDT · 82 of 141
    JAKraig to Buckeye McFrog

    I hope not. For reasons that shall always befuddle me a majority seems to like the besotted old fool.
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    That crazy old man keeps getting re-elected. He does it by saying stupid stuff that some want to hear but the majority are tired of Obama and everyone will look at Biden as Obama White.

  • The Polls are Wrong- Post Orlando- Trump is Pulling Away from Hillary

    06/21/2016 2:54:32 PM PDT · 31 of 38
    JAKraig to uncitizen

    Back when I was supporting Cruz and saw the huge crowds Trump was drawing, I realized that the next president was going to be Trump.

  • Two sisters charged after brawl at Whitehaven IHOP

    06/21/2016 2:43:22 PM PDT · 96 of 102
    JAKraig to Mears

    I’m sure they’re Amish, the Amish really know how to make fools of themselves in a restaurant.

  • “World’s First 24/7 Solar Power Plant Powers 75,000 Homes” for 3 hours per day.

    06/21/2016 2:33:21 PM PDT · 27 of 32
    JAKraig to rarestia

    Those batteries require the very caustic process of mining for things like lead and nickel.

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    Actually, lead is very environmentally friendly. Almost all lead is recycled.

    I have 12KW PV’s on my roof and 3, 48V 1125 AH (@20hrs) batteries and while I did not do it to be environmentally friendly, I did it because the Federal Government would pay for 1/3rd of it and then I get nearly free electricity for the rest of my life. In Kentucky it supplies all my A/C and and heat most of the year. When the temp gets below 30° I turn on the gas boiler.

  • Pope on death penalty: 'Thou shalt not kill' is absolute

    06/21/2016 2:12:33 PM PDT · 85 of 123
    JAKraig to Red Badger

    The translation of “Thou Shalt not Kill” is actually Thou shalt not commit murder.

  • Media Pushes New Trump Can’t Raise Money Narrative; Listen To His Response!

    06/21/2016 5:38:03 AM PDT · 10 of 87
    JAKraig to struggle

    I am so done with the GOPe and the way they have treated Trump just because he trounced their pick, Bush.

    Trump will win this if he has to do it without money I think he is smart enough to do that. I look forward to his presidency. If Hitlary is the Democrat nominee I don’t think she stands a chance against someone as smart as Trump. Trump thinks fast on his feet, he does not use standard catch phrases over and over he answers questions when asked. People find that refreshing. Trump speaks. He isn’t guarded in his remarks he just says what comes from his heart.

    I was a Cruz supporter, I am now fully behind Trump, he is the man for the times. I haven’t donated yet but I will.

  • Professor rejects Marxism after traveling the globe: ‘Socialism doesn’t work’

    06/16/2016 2:37:08 PM PDT · 29 of 31
    JAKraig to PROCON

    Gee Wiz, all he had to do was ask me.

  • Jesus Reveals His Purpose in Coming (Protestant/Evangelical Caucus and Devotional)

    06/16/2016 2:24:14 PM PDT · 7 of 7
    JAKraig to Just mythoughts
    There are still some sins, like premeditate homicide and rape that require a ‘face to face’ with the Creator to be forgiven... The ONLY thing that changed, fulfilled, was no longer a blood sacrifice required for remission of sin. We can go directly to the Father, in Christ name with a repentant heart/mind to seek forgiveness.

    Too many Christians think those Ten Commandments do not apply to them. Well, no Christian worth his/her salt would call themselves Christian if they break any of the Ten. That is what is meant to believe in Christ, by keeping His Commandments.

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    I suspect you are correct about premeditated murder is likely close to the sin of denial of The Holy Ghost but not quite as bad.

    You said that blood sacrifice is no longer needed, but, it is. I know what you mean and don't really disagree with you but the blood sacrifice has already been made.

    It is the blood of Jesus that hides our sin because that sacrifice represents punishment, the punishment that we deserve and that He took for us.

    As far as a bone not being broken, in the Passover meal there is a lamb for the meal. The condition of the lamb is that it must be perfect, and that in the slaughter and preparation for the meal there can be no bones broken. Yes in this we see that it has been foretold and then we are reminded each year at Passover. We are reminded that by partaking of the sacrificial lamb that we are passed over by the angel of death, now if we partake of The Lamb we can again be passed over by the angel of death. Many people have strange ideas of what it means to partake of The Lamb. I personally believe that it is much more than just admitting that He is. It is following Him, trying to be like Him, obeying His commandments and much more. Those who think that the Ten Commandments no longer apply are fooling themselves, who do they think gave them? When were they repealed? I am no judge, but, I imagine that if you are breaking the ten commandments and not begging forgiveness for doing so then you likely have no part of Him. he will not know you no matter how many times you have called our His name. Confession of the name of Jesus is no magic trick, either you follow Him or you don't.

    As Christians we focus on Easter, rightly so because the most important event in the history of mankind is the Resurrection of The Savior Jesus The Christ. It is also important for us to remember the events of Passover so that we can be reminded of how this was all foretold for millennia, that it is all part of a glorious plan.

  • Jesus Reveals His Purpose in Coming (Protestant/Evangelical Caucus and Devotional)

    06/15/2016 1:40:15 PM PDT · 5 of 7
    JAKraig to Just mythoughts

    I take issue with the statement that Christ had to suffer death or He could not Reign as King.

    Christ was already King. He was perfect and therefore did not need to suffer any punishment to earn a reward that His Father promised Him, that is all that His Father had.

    He died on the cross very early in the process, people can survive on the cross several days. The other two that hung on the cross were very much still alive when their legs were broken so that they could not stand and therefore would be unable to breath. Christ was already dead because He gave up The Ghost. He had power over life and death and used that power to die.

    We are not perfect. The punishment for sin is death. Christ suffered our punishment for us if we accept Him. By our accepting the punishment given freely by Him we may live again with God because our sin is covered, hidden in the blood of Christ because the debt of our sin is paid. It was paid by someone who did not owe it and paid it anyway.

    I don’t think most people have a clue what all that means, about how Christ can somehow take upon Himself my pains and agony and suffer for them in the past even before I had them. How he can be punished for my sins even before I commit them. His punishment had to be unbelievably horrible to cover not just my sin but every bodies sins.

    He did not have to do it. The Lord said that “greater love have no man but that he lay down his life for another”. He did that but multiplied by billions.

  • A Challenge to Much That You Believe About the Fed

    06/15/2016 7:38:23 AM PDT · 7 of 16
    JAKraig to expat_panama
    A sad truth is that government spending for re-distribution wastes a lot of money and destroys resources.

    People that don't work for their money hurt overall production. Normally money is earned and then spent to either raise more money or to increase standard of living. In a re-distribution society that money does neither.

    In the short term some builder will make money on the building of public housing but nobody will make money on the rent or upkeep of the housing. The money given to the re-distribution recipients will be spent on food, drugs and others that add little to the economy.

    Adding to the economy means something produced not something consumed. When most workers consume something they actually produce more than they consume. The “extra” may go into a bank account or some other savings such as the stock market where the money is used to produce “things”. These “things” make life better and earn the investor more money to either invest or consume.

    To governments its all about consumption. They figure if people spend money then the economy is good but it takes more than that and when the government prints fake money it simply means that the rest of us will have to spend more of our money to get what we want and that leaves less for investment and therefore less creation of new “things”.

    Governments can spend money that helps growth by spending on infrastructure which enhances everyone’s ability to produce more.

    Welfare spending hurts an economy in many ways. If people don't get free food and housing then they are willing to work for less, that promotes more production. When people don't get free stuff and they are already working for less than they think they are worth then they try to make themselves more valuable by learning a skill or being good at what they do so they can get a promotion, both raise production.

    In our society we are killing our economy by allowing our government to make too many monetary decisions that are adverse to the health of our economy.

    I remember that in the 50’s we spent 75% of the budget on defense spending. Now it is only 24% but 65% goes to re-distribution. It is unsustainable.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/30/2016 1:13:29 PM PDT · 346 of 1,154
    JAKraig to verga

    You said:
    They are three separate but Equal persons. They are three persons with one nature. This nature is fully Divine. This means that all three are omnipotent (all powerful) and omniscient (all knowing).

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    I have trouble accepting this. They cannot all three be omnipotent or one would not have power over the others.
    They cannot all be omniscient if one of them knows something the other does not know, such as when the end of the world will be.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/25/2016 10:33:22 AM PDT · 94 of 1,154
    JAKraig to Elsie

    Hi Elsie,

    I haven’t read that book, I thought we were talking about 3rd century Christianity not Mormons.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/25/2016 9:31:51 AM PDT · 87 of 1,154
    JAKraig to CTrent1564

    I am trying to determine what group you belong to, Mormon, JW, Oneness-Pentecostal. So for the sake of discussion, what faith do you hold, it does not appear to me to be orthodox Christianity of any sort. . . .

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    I hold my own personal religious beliefs. I was for many years a part of the Methodist Church and they put up with my non-conformist beliefs and my refusal to repeat the Apostles Creed but did not excommunicate me for it. I’m afraid churches have left me. They have changed much in the last 70 years and I find particularly distasteful what happened in Nicea. This hierarchy that became the Roman Church took nearly 300 years to develop and was no way inspired by Christ in my opinion. The emphasis on having “learned” scholars rule the rest of The Church also has become distasteful. Some years ago when my father died and the Methodist minister asked me If I had any particular scriptural references I would like him to use, I did they were all references to a literal Resurrection. He wouldn’t use them because he said it would confuse people into believing their bodies would be raised from the dead instead of just their spirits. From that time on I was done with my Methodism.

    I believe what I believe and don’t begrudge anybody else what they believe, I just don’t consider myself stupid and feel I can figure it out myself form The Holy Bible.

    I have married a Mormon girl, perhaps she doesn’t believe all that I believe and vice versa but we get along.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/25/2016 6:40:03 AM PDT · 73 of 1,154
    JAKraig to MHGinTN

    You stumble forth with, “Water, steam (vapor), ice. That’s good except when water becomes steam it is no longer water it is steam. When water or steam become ice it is no longer water but ice.” In all three states it is still H2O, two atoms of Hydrogen and one atom of Oxygen. Mormons are good at straining at gnats in order to choke on the camel.

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    You are totally missing what I was saying. Yes, I completely agree with you that there are three states of H20 my point is that wherever the H20 is in which state it is in it is only in one state at a time.

    At the baptism of Jesus Christ by John we are led to believe via scripture that John was baptizing Christ and at the same time the voice of God The Father was heard from heaven saying He was pleased in His Son and at the same time the Holy Ghost was descending from Heaven in the form of a dove.

    It matters not to me the three states, what matters is that at least in this example there were three different beings in three different places at the same point in time. In this example anyway God The Father did not turn Himself into Christ The Son or into The Holy Ghost unless He split Himself up 3 ways but then He would not shout from Heaven that He was pleased with His son, He would have said He was pleased with Himself.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/25/2016 6:29:49 AM PDT · 71 of 1,154
    JAKraig to DungeonMaster

    Jeremiah 1:5

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/25/2016 6:08:22 AM PDT · 67 of 1,154
    JAKraig to knarf
    you said:
    “Theologically, Jesus means that the Father is the eternal source in the Trinity. All three persons of the Trinity are co-eternal, co-equal, and equally divine. But the Father is the Principium Deitatis (the Source in the Deity).”

    ” Hence, Jesus proceeds from the Father from all eternity. He is eternally begotten of the Father. In effect, Jesus is saying, “I delight that the Father is the eternal principle or source of my being, even though I have no origin in time.”

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    I would take issue with that in that Jesus is subject to The Father, they are then not co-equal. Elohim is the greater of the three. He commands and They obey His will. Even when Christ didn't want to obey The Fathers will He did. Because of Nicea there have been many contortions of doctrines to try to make the definition of The Trinity as expressed by Nicea 325 fit with scripture but it still doesn't. Nearly all if not all the laborious definitions of the Trinity come after Nicea 325. Christ Himself never makes these contorted definitions. He made sure that even the simplest of peoples could understand what He was talking about. Christ is divine, He is eternal but He was begotten and has inherited what He now has. While we call Him eternal He Himself expresses it a little differently, calling Himself the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. There is no beginning of eternal so that itself could be a subject of much conjecture.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/25/2016 5:56:18 AM PDT · 66 of 1,154
    JAKraig to DungeonMaster

    In what sense did we come from heaven?
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    We are all sons and daughters of God, that is our spirits came, issued forth from God The Father. God knew us before he formed us in mortality and we knew Him.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/25/2016 5:48:54 AM PDT · 65 of 1,154
    JAKraig to D-fendr

    Would it be accurate to say that you do not believe Christ is God; you don’t believe in the divinity of Christ?

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    No, it would be inaccurate to make the statement you made in your question above. You apparently haven’t read the rest of my comments in this post, I thought I made myself clear but for you I’ll try again. God The Father who with His Son created Heaven and Earth has a name, it is Elohim. His Son who is also God has a name it is Jesus Christ, there is a third member of this group of gods that we call The Holy Ghost, we have no other revealed name for Him.

    The three mentioned above are Gods, but there is one God we pray to, His name is Elohim, we worship and praise all three members of the Godhead but there is one of those members who is the leader and the others are subject to Him and do His will. God, The Father of our souls is God. God Jesus Christ is the very Son of God The Father and was begotten of The Father so that He is in fact The Son of God.

    The God Jesus Christ has now inherited all the powers and dominions of His Father, there is nothing that His Father has that He doesn’t have, He is God.

    God Jesus Christ agreed to come to earth, partake of what mortal life was, agreed to be subject to temptations, illness, pain and suffering. He did that but although subject to all those things resisted those things so that He was perfect. His literal Father of His flesh was Elohim, my God, your God and His God. Because He did as His Father asked, because He did not succumb to temptation He was perfect in mortality. Because He was the literal Son of God in The Flesh He was not killed but gave up His life, He gave up His spirit to His Father who gave it.

    Because He was perfect even though He suffered all the pains and agony of every soul on earth He can offer to take the punishment that all the rest of us deserve.

    One day we will all stand before the judgment seat of God The Father, even Elohim and He will judge us. It won’t be The Holy Ghost or even Christ Jesus we stand before but The very Eternal Father. When we are judged we will be found to be imperfect. Only perfection can abide with The Father, the punishment for imperfection is death and separation from God. Because many have tried to follow Christ, they have loved Him and considered themselves His, because of this and because He loves us He will stand before God the Father and say “You have already punished me, I stood in for him, he is mine”, and we will be His forever in the same place He is. More than that He says we will inherit everything that He has inherited.

    Just as a prince inherits the throne of his father Christ inherits the throne of His Father. Christ has not had that throne forever but has inherited it, He has made that very clear, you don’t inherit something you already have.

    The only name ever given us to gain salvation is Jesus Christ, we must love Him and follow Him to partake of that salvation. That salvation will not come by uttering a few words such as “I believe Christ is God”. It is not our belief that makes us acceptable to Christ for even Satan knows Christ is God the Son of God and it does him no good.

    I try to follow Him to the best of my ability, I love Him and hopefully my actions and all that I do show that. Still I am far from perfection. I will need His grace that he has so unselfishly offered to me and others in order to live with Him and be His forever. I will be His like He is God The Fathers.

    All that I have said is easy to find reference to in the Holy Bible, there are no stretches of the imagination to make the above words work, they are plain if you will read them.

    It is hard to be succinct and brief, I hope I have succeeded.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/24/2016 6:30:23 PM PDT · 59 of 1,154
    JAKraig to Campion
    You obviously know little of Roman History. I said nothing about the first century, we were talking about 325. I assure you that the council of Nicea that indeed Constantine was in charge and made the decisions and certainly Athanasius of Alexandria had his ear. I also don't think I said anything about a state religion I said universal religion, actually I said Universal or Catholic Church. If you really want to understand these things I highly suggest you read cover to cover the New Teatament, read each book without breaking it up to get the meaning of it. Understand that the writers of the 4 Gospels were not necessarily the Apostles but at least in two cases we know that they were men who traveled with them and wrote what they preached to many congregations well after their death. There is much to believe that John may have written his own Gospel during his long life but there are no guarantees.

    Dissenting bishops indeed went into hiding after the first Nicean council but Constantine relented and forgave them and didn't enforce the edicts of Nicea 325. Their excommunications and executions did not take place until the 385 council. After 385 you either renounced your beliefs in doctrines other than Nicean 325 Trinitarianism or you died. After the 385 council there were no more opportunities for forgiveness, if you were caught teaching the unapproved doctrine you were accused of soccery, excommunicated and then executed.

    When Maximus came to be Emperor he harshly enforced the council edicts of 385 although not with the Pope's blessing and Priscillia was the first Bishop to be executed, his followers continued with his teachings for another 250 years or so in Spain.

    The bishop of Aix-en-Provence, Lazarus had to run for his life after the Pope tried to have him silenced. The bishop of Arles, Herod had the same problem. There are many, many others. I'm not going to make a list of many names of those who were excommunicated, banished or even executed, you can do some simple searches and find those names.

    Prior to 385 the “Arian” theology as you call it was openly practiced and promoted by a large percentage of the Western Church. Recall that The trinitarian view held today came from Greece, then considered The East. After 385 this could no longer be done and the Popes came down hard on not just Arians but anyone who did not tow the official trinitarian line.

    You may disagree all you want but this is well known history documented in many places. I don't care what your priest told you but these are the facts.

    History can be ugly, the people of the times when history happened however thought they had good reasons for their actions or would not have done the things they did.

    I'm not condemning the actions of these leaders any more than I would condemn George Washington for owning slaves, that was what they did then and thought right.

    Today as a society, as lay people we have far more access to facts than people had in the past, we don't share the same excuses. I refuse to be forced to believe something I cannot make sense of just because a Roman emperor who was not even a Christian at the time in 325 was made to believe it. I suspect I am much more learned than Constantine or Athanasius who started all this so I will make up my own mind thank you. I will use what we have left of the scriptures after the councils of 325 and 385 destroyed much of what was considered scripture at the time because they did not support the trinitarian doctrine of the new day.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/24/2016 12:06:21 PM PDT · 47 of 1,154
    JAKraig to chuckles

    There is but one God in multiple forms.

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    Let me say, everything I say are my beliefs. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, our beliefs don’t make it so and I realize that my beliefs don’t “make it so” but, I work hard to figure it out and follow Christ to the best of my abilities. I’ve been doing this for a very long time, I first started trying to figure out why the Holy Bible didn’t agree with the preacher in very early 60’s. With age often comes wisdom, I hope my understanding is true, I believe my understand is true but would never begrudge someone else their belief but I might be willing to point out what I think is obvious error.

    And that is where the argument started. While it is true that John said that Christ and God The Father are one, He did not say they were the same. It is always dangerous to prove something with a snippet of Scripture. John also said in 17:21 that the Apostles must be one with Christ just as He (Jesus) is One with God The Father. So right away your argument using that verse is totally blown away. Later Christ says that all the Saints must be one with Him(Christ) just at He (Christ) is one with The Father.

    There is only one Queen Elizabeth of England on earth right now but her son, the idiot, I mean Charles is also Royal. There is only one “God”, God The Father, Elohim. Christ Jesus is His Son and also Divine. While I realize many people pray to God The Father, to Jesus Christ and even to The Holy Ghost and some pray to the Saints, I personally believe that we are instructed in the Bible to pray to God the Eternal Father and do it in the name of Jesus Christ.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/24/2016 11:38:25 AM PDT · 45 of 1,154
    JAKraig to Arthur McGowan

    You are not entitled to believe that the terms “eternal” and “begotten” are mutually exclusive, because you are not the arbiter of what the words mean.

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    The definition of eternal:

    “without beginning or end; lasting forever; always existing”

    The definition of begotten:

    “Something is begotten when it’s been generated by procreation — in other words, it’s been fathered”

    Christ referred to God many times as His Father. You can’t have “no beginning” if you have a Father. Christ says He is the Alpha and the Omega, or from the Alpha to the Omega, the beginning and the end. With God The Father there is no beginning, certainly at least in time, yet for Christ there is and He says so in His own words.

    So, while I can believe anything I want that does not make it so, but the dictionary makes the terms mutually exclusive.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/24/2016 11:30:24 AM PDT · 43 of 1,154
    JAKraig to Iscool

    The Holy Spirit was also seen descending in the form of a dove. So the Water, steam and ice were all in different places at the same time, it wasn’t the same water in all three places.
    Can your body and soul be in two different places at the same time???

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    My body and soul cannot be in two places at the same time until I am dead. When we are resurrected our body and soul will be forever reunited and again will not be able to be in two places at the same time.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/24/2016 11:27:56 AM PDT · 41 of 1,154
    JAKraig to DungeonMaster

    John 3:13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.[

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    I don’t imagine there is anyone here reading this thread that does not agree with that statement. The same will be true for all of us, we came from Heaven and will hopefully return there some day.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/24/2016 11:25:41 AM PDT · 40 of 1,154
    JAKraig to Campion
    The Trinity was the belief of the whole church from the beginning, long before Constantine. No “government edict” was required to make it so, and the idea that heresy was a crime against the state didn't come around until AD 1100 or so.

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    You are very horribly mistaken. When Constantine made the theology of the Holy Trinity the law of the land to not sign on to it in writing meant that you would be excommunicated and possibly executed. Nearly 1/3rd of the Church leaders refused to sign on until the council in 385 which started enforcing the executions.

    The whole idea of what we now call the Trinity came from The Church in Greece, it was nowhere else at first. The bishop of Alexandria, he was Greek, was a friend of Constantine, that bishop was a Trinitarian and ultimately convinced Constantine to enforce that one belief so that there would be a “universal or catholic” faith.

    There were church leaders who went into hiding after the 385 council rather than be executed. It was not a happy time in The Church. Constantine for his part while alive did not think it so important as the Alexandrian Bishop to go after those who would not sign on and so let them continue in their leadership positions without signing on to Trinitariansm.

    The Non-Trinitarians did not as a whole think Christ any less divine than God The Father, they only believed they were not the same person, that they could be three places at one time. They believed that Christ was subservient to God the Father and that The Holy Ghost was a person of spirit only that did the bidding of both The Father and The Son.

    I have no idea what Mormon made up history has to do with any of this, this was many centuries before the world ever thought about Mormons.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/24/2016 9:05:55 AM PDT · 28 of 1,154
    JAKraig to Bailee
    ater - One Matter

    Gas - One State
    Liquid - One State
    Solid - One State

    All 3 still Water(H2O)

    God

    The Father - One Title
    The Son - One Title
    The Holy Spirit - One Title

    All 3 still God(Jesus)

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    Nice try.

    Water, steam (vapor), ice. That's good except when water becomes steam it is no longer water it is steam. When water or steam become ice it is no longer water but ice.

    When Christ was being baptized by John, the voice of God was heard from Heaven saying “This is My Son in whom I am well pleased”. The voice did not say “This is Me”. The Holy Spirit was also seen descending in the form of a dove. So the Water, steam and ice were all in different places at the same time, it wasn't the same water in all three places.

    I know of no place in the Holy Bible where it talks about extra dimensions and going back and forth between them, we have absolutely NO evidence of your facts. If we can make things up then you can say whatever you want but don't expect others to believe what you say. Mind you, I have no problem with your believing whatever you want, but don't make silly arguments and expect me or anyone else to believe them.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/24/2016 8:34:43 AM PDT · 23 of 1,154
    JAKraig to SubMareener

    Any doctrine that was established by capital punishment/murder, and the continued threat of such was NOT established from/by Jesus Christ.
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    So you do not believe that Jesus Christ was crucified, dead and buried, and that the Father raised Him from the dead?

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    I guess I thought we were talking about the doctrine of The Trinity, but you have made a very good argument against the Nicean doctrine of The Trinity by your post, in that God raised Christ from the dead. If they were the same wouldn’t Christ have raised Himself from the dead? God was greater than Christ so God raised Him from the dead. and on another note, if Christ was only spirit as some claim why would He need to be raised from the dead? We already know that before He was raised He was preaching to the souls in prison before His Resurrection. He is not spirit but flesh, perfected flesh.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/24/2016 8:19:32 AM PDT · 17 of 1,154
    JAKraig to Salvation

    Father, Son and Holy Spirit

    Why don’t you believe the words of Jesus?

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    I don’t understand what you are asking, of course I believe in the Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. I simply don’t believe they are the same being.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/24/2016 8:10:54 AM PDT · 15 of 1,154
    JAKraig to Salvation

    Non Biblical?

    Consider yourself corrected.

    Matthew 28

    18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
    19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
    20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.”

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    And just where is the word “Trinity” in these verses. And these verses are after the resurrection and indeed after Christ did inherit all that The Father had. The very fact that “All Authority” had been given to Him meant that prior to that or at least at some time He didn’t have that “All Authority” which pretty much said He wasn’t always God.

    When I would travel for the company I worked for I would go in the name of my company owners. they weren’t all the same however.

  • Why Does Jesus Call the Father Greater If We Teach That the Members of the Trinity Are Equal?

    05/24/2016 7:52:58 AM PDT · 11 of 1,154
    JAKraig to Arthur McGowan
    While I appreciate the discussion and the attempt to answer the question, it was not answered. Saying that The Son was neither created or made and then saying that he was begotten by The Father are mutually exclusive statements. If both Beings are eternal then how can one beget the other.

    The concept of the Holy Trinity has been a controversy since it was codified in Nicea in 325AD. The major arguments were that Nicea said that Christ was God and that God was God, that Christ was not made but begotten of God The Father, that since Christ came from the Father He was also God. Then Nicea went further to explain that God and Christ are of one body or of the same substance, and further to say that God The Father and Christ the son were both eternal.

    I personally find these statements illogical. I don't see how Christ could be begotten AND be eternal, I believe the terms eternal and begotten are mutually exclusive. If a King has a son, his first son, he becomes king. He isn't born a king although he is born to become a king. He has the substance of being a king when he is born because he is begotten by a king.

    Christ and God The Father are not the same being. Christ prayed to His Father in the garden and asked that the bitter cup be removed but then decided to do His Fathers will. While Christ did the bidding of His Father and sacrificed Himself for us His Father also sacrificed His Son.

    All the above is not to say that I believe that Christ The Son of The Father was first begotten when He was born of Mary, I believe that He was with The Father from before time. What does before time mean? Good question but I believe it was at least before the creation of the earth. I also believe that all people were with God The Father before the creation of earth.

    I believe, again, doctrine according to Joe, that Christ when He was born of Mary received a physical body and was no longer a spirit. After His death on the cross He apeared to many several times going back and forth between Heaven and earth, and even stated that He was not a spirit, He ate and drank with the Apostles to prove He had a body. When He left the earth to ascend to Heaven for the last time recorded in the Holy Bible He was seen by about 500 people and the two angels explained to those who saw Him ascend that He would come back in the same way. To me that means He has a body like mine only perfected to be incorruptible as Paul explained.

    So who then is The Holy Ghost? Again the doctrine of Joe says that He is a personage of spirit, just like Christ was before being born of Mary. There is a difference though, Christ was the First Born of The Father while The Holy Ghost does the will of The Father and of The Son and testifies of Them both.

    The doctrine of Joe says that God The Father and God, Christ The son are not of the same substance in that they do not share the same “body” if you will but are of the same substance like my father and I are of the same substance. When I look in the mirror now in my old age I see my father looking back from the mirror at me. I look like him because I am of the same substance, not his substance but they are the same.

    How important is this argument? I don't think it very important. I think what is important is to realize that Jesus Christ willingly did the Will of His Father and came to earth, was perfect and therefore did not deserve to die or be punished for sin. I do not believe it was any easier for Him to be perfect than for me but He was AND He agreed to be punished in my place for my sins if I but acknowledge Him and try to follow Him. I am trying.

    Because Christ was perfect and deserves no punishment He can stand before The Father and offer Himself to take the punishment of my sin for me. He does not have to do this. He will not do this for everybody, not everybody will ask Him too, not everybody will try to follow Him.

    Christ says He will inherit EVERYTHING His Father Has. He also says that if we will follow Him, at least really try to follow Him that we will be joint heirs with Him AND be like Him. You can't inherit something you already have. At some point anyway Christ did not have all that The Father has but would inherit it, that alone tells me that Christ and God The Father are two individuals and that Christ anyway has progressed from one condition to another.

  • With Final Words, Christian Girl Begs Forgiveness for ISIS for Killing Her

    05/23/2016 8:54:08 PM PDT · 23 of 41
    JAKraig to Talisker

    By the time the world wakes up and snaps to attention, the resulting released rage might leave no Muslim alive on the planet.

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    If only we could be so fortunate.