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touche.

Personal attacks are unbecoming. The "no dice," however, I wholeheartedly agree with. Oh wait, it's a religious deal, that definitely means that no bad guys will try to cross. Give me a break. You give an inch, people want a foot. The lack of understanding about how great and free a society the American and Canadian Muslims live in is astounding.

Thanx

Well, someone should call him on this. You think the MSM will?

Why would we want to do that? I'm sure you know
what passed as fun and games for the average Roman.

As an American with Iranian parents, I'm ashamed for their country. They were embarrassed. This is not human behavior. Think about it, rallying to call for the annihilation of other people? Sometimes I wonder.

Sometimes facts don't matter. What the article says is true but try explaining that to people. Doesn't work does it? All people know is that gas prices keep on going up and up. The supply and demand analysis is correct, but it should also include the huge demand that has been growing in China.

Since when Has Bush paid anything but lip service to the Iranian democracy movement? This bum won't be arrested. It would bring on too much criticism. The Iranian govt. is the real danger, and there really doesn't seem to be much pressure on them.

Has any world leader (however illegitimate) ever been denied a visa to speak before the UN? We let Castro come and speak, and even that murderous thug Che Guevara. I don't think the US will deny the Visa.

The death of innocent men, women, and children at the hands if Islamo-nazis is not newsworthy. An Al-Qaida terrorist who has to look at a women too close to him, now that is atravesty worthy of news.

You miss the point as do all who say that human dignity comes from G-d. Human dignity and rights do exist. They are innate as a function of our existence. These are UNIVERSAL for everyone. It is a nice little fiction to say that they come from G-d. It validates one's religion. Once religion gets involved then, depending on the religion, the dignity and rights can become relative. It's fine and well when we have religions that bestow rights and dignities that are fair and true, but what about religions that don't?

Isn't religion the subjective social construct? Can't religions, just like a dictator, create different standards based on the religious leaders' whims?

That's your opinion. I've heard all the first truths arguments from Hadley Arkes on down. Whether you think these fundamental rights descend from a higher power or not is not really relevant. From your perspective it has to come from a Biblical G-d. From my perspective it comes with the inherent dignity of being a human being. Once you prescribe to the notion that these fundamental rights come from a Biblical perspective then you have nuts like muslims laying claim to their notion of rights from their god. That doesn't work. We're right and they're not. I don't want to have a war of religions. As wrong as their religion is they can still rely on it if it's a contest. We are human beings, the dignity in that is enough.

I agree with you. It just caught my eye despite the two sources (CNN and a muslim).

Good for India. Everyone should reject this terrorist masquerading as a leader.

Tell me what you guys think of this. If the story this muslim is saying is true, then what were the British thinking?

I wish someone here would say these things.

LOL

Instead of fighting the war on terror, France is opening up restaurants that cater to Muslims. Go figure. It's nothing really important, just symbolic.

From this Giants fan, god bless the Kelly family. RIP child of God.

first of all, I only use Iranian-American because it explains my origins. I've said many times before on these boards (not that you would know) that I hate the monikor, but it is necessary sometimes. Secondly, this other person I disagree with is of Iranian background as well, and our difference is about an issue which Iranians and Americans with an interest have a healthy disagreement.

Others have agreed with me on this post. This is beside the point. You felt free to call me a hateful bigot because I had problems with the Shah's son. It doesn't matter how many people disagree with me. When you make a comment like that, it implies that you don't have a sound counter-argument. Like I said before, I apologize for my personal comments. They weren't right. I'd love to hear why exactly me not liking the Shah's son makes me a hateful bigot.

So, I guess my position should be based on the Bible and not on any fundamental rights Israelis have today? Tell me, I'm confused.

I know. I just wanted to say that the far stronger case for Israel is about today. Human history is filled with cultures coming and going over certain pieces of real estate. If we used the criteria of 'who lived here 3000 years ago', then a lot of populations would be called illegitimate today.

Come on now, that's just mean.

Again, do we want a debate on rights to be centered on who lived there 3000 years ago. The stronger argument should be who lives there now and who has a right to live there. By discussing the past we are just getting sucked into a debated with Islam-a-racists about events in forgotten history and, as much as people here believe the Biblical version, there is no way to know for sure. I too believe the Biblical version, but the attitude should be 'yea we were here 3000 years ago, but more importantly we're here now and we have a right to be here free from your ----.'

Before getting too excited, people should know that this just a theory. Many digs are later revealed to be something else. As for me, if it is King David's palace that would be great. But if it's not, my postition on Israel is not based on the Bible. It's based on the fundamental rights of Israelis to live and live free of Islamic terror.

Seriously, what is your beef with me. The first post I got from you was that I should take my hatred somewhere else. When I pointed out what I was replying to, you were very flip. I understand that your position is different than mine, and that's fine. This forum is for debates. You sought me out and made personal comments.

As far as bigoted, I don't know what you mean. I am an Iranian-American who has severe doubts about the Shah's son. If you can't debate me on that, then all you're doing is seeking out views that are 100% in sync with yours. According to you I need psychological counseling, am bigoted, and filled with hate basically because I disagree with your position. Does that make sense?

I said some personal things as well, and that was very childish. I'm not proud of that and do apologize for it. If there is disagreement then an exchange of points of view is a good thing, especially when in the end our goal is the same.

He must have invited you over because his children needed intellectual peers. How the heck do you know how life in Iran was during the Shah's reign? Don't talk about things you don't know. By the way, anyone who call sany middle eastern despost "his majesty" doesn't care about true democracy.

So "you're an ignorant fool" is not hatred? It's apparent what your position is. I'm sorry to say that you're like a little lost sheep following the shepherd. Try thinking for a change and looking at people's motives. Say hi to the other poor sheep.

Did you read the post I was responding to? Please refrain from commenting until you have the whole picture.

Do you think that the Persians just decided one day to let the Arab nazis come in and take over? No. The Persian wmpire was weakened by the very monarchy that people seem to lust after today. Debauchery, lechery and corruption had befallen the Persian empire and it was ripe for a hostile islamic take over. A true democratic revolution is needed, not a damn fairy tale.

Ditto.

No debate from me. You're right on.

Nice way to start a debate, with a personal attack. You, like all the other mice, are enchanted by this pied piper. Do you know how many middle eastern autocrats have received a western education. Your logic is that of a 10 year old (Yes, that's a personal atack). Just because he was educated here, does not make him a good man.

How much do you really know about Pahlavi? Would it surprise you that his most ardent supporters are the former sycophants of the Shah? Hmm..I wonder what they're reasoning is.

His heart has always been with the people? Really? How was able to come to US for an education? How was he able to live such a lavish life? Oh, that's right, from the money his family PILLAGED.

Spare me your uncritical love-fest. Read a little between the lines. This is the same way Iran was entrapped by Khomeini. When he was in exile (sound familiar?) he talked about democracy and freedoms and women's rights. Look where that led Iran. No, a true revolution has to start within from people who know firsthand and have experienced the suffering. It will not start with and reward a pampered, son of an autocrat. I will freely admit that I will visit the sins of his father upon him. It is a risk that Iranians cannot take. That is this fool's opinion.

Oh I do know about his visions and his words. They sound good and, in a vacuum. would be cause for optimism. Do you remember Khomeini's words and vision before he came to power? One look at his pedigree should have told people how empty and false those words were. The same goes for the once and future King Pahlavi.

As an Iranian-American, I would not give Pahlavi any currency. What is he supposed to say: 'I want to rule as an absolute monarch.' Like father, like son. He is a rich, pampered man who has gotten everything from the pillaging his family did. Forget him, he is a false hope. The Iranians need to wipe the slate clean.

A democratic movement from within is not newsworthy. Afterall, it would support our position.

I know. Who doesn't?

Ok have it your way. Wait for the pictures.

Look at post 23.

The sarcasm came across a little stronger than I meant. I apologize. It was meant in good jest.

Do you doubt because of your great expertise or is it because you live in Arkansas? This paper coming out was written, I think, before the sound recordings. If I'm not mistaken, many people who were going to write papers or had written papers doubting the sightings were convinced by the audio.

Nice analogy.

No offense, but the whole scientific community, even the hardcore skeptics are convinced. That's enough for me, on this topic, to rely on their opinions.

Where is the obligatory "Jewish agent" tagline? Wow, they've softened!!!

Could you add me to that ping if you could.

Do you know that Rome was losing when they started with that? They were so afraid of Hannibal that they started the Roman session with a "Carthago delenda est." It was like wishing it would make it come true . (In their case it did). The point is the Romans were afraid, we are not.

I don't know what you guys think of this. I know President Bush is the only leader to call for his release. Reason number 1,342,432,876 that the mullahs have to go.

It's a shame when we have to look towards Europe for pointers. That being said, I don't think that this will have much effect. Italy is just doing something to get rid of some of the built up public pressure. Ban the burqa and these animals will adapt. Come to think of it, when did they use the burqa in their schemes (they might have and I just haven't heard of it)? No, the way to get to them is to have laws that are a little more invasive than that and are not just examples of tokenism.

Yes they were. The public just was much more hostile towards that kind of behavior then so it had to be hidden.

I think some people are naive with the idea of old school Hollywood class. There NEVER was any. It was just hidden then because the culturally liberally hadn't wormed their way in to the common consciousness and debauched behavior in the public eye wouldn't be tolerated. Marilyn Monroe had more than 10 abortions? That was classy, huh?