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Posts by butterdezillion

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  • The fake Ben Carson controversy should end here and now

    02/05/2016 4:33:11 PM PST · 59 of 59
    butterdezillion to newgeezer

    If you look at the transcript of the CNN report (which can be seen at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3392448/posts?page=121#121 ) the Cruz team’s email - subject line and message together -says exactly what the CNN announcers were saying.

  • The fake Ben Carson controversy should end here and now

    02/04/2016 8:15:20 PM PST · 55 of 59
    butterdezillion to newgeezer

    The subject line said it was LIKELY that Carson would drop out, which isn’t the same thing as saying he DID drop out. Everybody knows it’s likely that Carson will drop out; we just don’t know when.

  • Cruz responds to Trump’s Iowa recount demands, blames media for Carson kerfuffle

    02/04/2016 4:48:50 AM PST · 181 of 192
    butterdezillion to caww

    Is there an interview with Carson where he was asked if he intended to drop out of the race? If so, do you have a link?

    Thanks!

    As far as I can see, all the Cruz camp said was that Carson wouldn’t be campaigning in NH and SC so his supporters should think about supporting somebody they know will be in for the long haul. It doesn’t even really matter if he was getting out of the race right now; if he’s not going to campaign in the states needed to meet the expectations that he told Hannity (if he doesn’t win the first couple primaries he will quit) then it’s just a matter of time before he quits and his supporters have probably been wrestling for a long time with whether to stick with him or vote for somebody who would continue.

  • Cruz responds to Trump’s Iowa recount demands, blames media for Carson kerfuffle

    02/04/2016 4:41:27 AM PST · 180 of 192
    butterdezillion to bray

    Quote to me Ted Cruz’s “lie”. To be a lie it has to be factually incorrect and he had to know it was factually incorrect.

    If you cannot give me a quote where Cruz lied on this, that documents that you know he did not lie and if you continue to say that he lied about this then you are documented as lying.

  • Cruz responds to Trump’s Iowa recount demands, blames media for Carson kerfuffle

    02/03/2016 8:59:20 PM PST · 168 of 192
    butterdezillion to Vic S

    No. The tweet purportedly from the Cruz campaign came 33 seconds before 7pm, Iowa time. The screenshot of the CNN clip which showed on that tweet showed a 6:43 timestamp. CNN ran their story 17 minutes before 7pm and the purported Cruz tweet was at 33 seconds before 7pm. So it was about a 16-minute lapse.

    Depending on how and when the Carson camp distributed their walk-back from what they had told CNN (that Carson wouldn’t be going to NH or SC) and whether the Cruz campaign actually saw or heard those walkbacks, Rove’s story could be all washed up. The Cruz campaign characterized the time they knew of CArson’s walkback as “later then evening” (presumably a type for “later in the evening”. But Rove claims that the CArson walkback was at 6:53. Nobody shows any documentation for the timeframe and nobody has mentioned how the walkback was distributed, or when CNN aired a correction.

  • TRUMP: I will 'probably' sue because Ted Cruz cheated in Iowa

    02/03/2016 8:35:10 PM PST · 397 of 405
    butterdezillion to mac_truck

    What time zone are those times calibrated to? If you’ve listened to what I said, newgeezer found that the times on the tweets changed when he set the time for Central time rather than for Pacific time. Twitter screenshots are totally worthless for knowing what time something happened unless you know what time zone the twitter page is set to calibrate to. The 5:20 time was what showed on newgeezer’s computer when it was set to PACIFIC time. When he set the times to be calibrated to CENTRAL time it was 7:20pm. That’s what I’m saying.

  • BOOM! Karl Rove Breaks Down How Cruz Camp’s Cheating Stole Iowa from Trump (VIDEO)

    02/03/2016 7:45:20 PM PST · 203 of 604
    butterdezillion to americas.best.days...

    That would be my guess.

  • Cruz: No Action Against Staffers Who Spread False Rumor Ben Carson Was Dropping Out

    02/03/2016 7:09:47 PM PST · 189 of 218
    butterdezillion to true believer forever

    Oh, so this wasn’t a conversation where a Carson staffer was there and it accidentally popped out that Carson wasn’t going to NH and SC.

    Hmm. I wonder why the Carson staffer said anything about this if Carson didn’t want it getting out to the IA voters.

  • TRUMP: I will 'probably' sue because Ted Cruz cheated in Iowa

    02/03/2016 7:07:52 PM PST · 390 of 405
    butterdezillion to mac_truck; newgeezer

    Here’s the timeline newgeezer came up with, once he got the twitter times all consistent (he’s in IA but the twitter times initially showed Pacific times, so the twitter times do apparently sometimes get mixed up):

    Yesterday, 6:43 PM CST Chris Moody CNN tweets Carson is going home for a couple days’ rest.
    6:56 PM Spence Rogers (Cruz campaign) email “Carson Likely to Drop Out”
    7:05 PM Jason Osborne (Carson campaign) tweets Carson “Not suspending — getting fresh clothes then back out Wednesday”
    7:08 PM CNN tweets Carson to take a break from campaigning (tinyurl.com/j8pbmo8)
    7:13 PM Spence Rogers (Cruz campaign) email “CNN Reporting Ben Carson Will Stop Campaigning After Iowa”
    7:19 PM Steve King tweets Carson is “Skipping NH & SC is the equivalent of suspending”
    7:20 PM Steve King tweets “Carson looks like he is out. Iowans need to know before they vote.”
    Today, 2:09 PM: Steve King tweets “I respect Ben Carson & regret any miscommunications.

  • TRUMP: I will 'probably' sue because Ted Cruz cheated in Iowa

    02/03/2016 6:22:45 PM PST · 388 of 405
    butterdezillion to mac_truck; newgeezer

    I think the times are getting mixed up because twitter might show different time zones on the tweets. Some of the tweets were seen on screenshots taken from the computer of a person in a timezone we don’t know, so we don’t know how to adjust it. I was first made aware of that situation by newgeezer, who posted about it earlier. If you look at his posts you can probably find the timeline he came up with, as well as the communications to and from the Cruz campaign to him because he spoke at the caucus on behalf of Cruz’s campaign but was not happy with how things went regarding this Ben Carson issue.

    I think Steve King’s tweets were around 7:20 Central time. But if you look at newgeezer’s posts you should see the correct timeline, I think.

  • Cruz: No Action Against Staffers Who Spread False Rumor Ben Carson Was Dropping Out

    02/03/2016 5:35:23 PM PST · 165 of 218
    butterdezillion to true believer forever

    You were a witness to the conversation? If so, who was it between?

    Carson did say that it was not him personally who disclosed the information to CNN; it was a staffer. I can’t help but wonder if it was a mistake where Carson didn’t want that information out but it got out anyway. And even if it might have been someone in the NH group that had just quit Carson’s campaign and wanted CArson’s IA supporters to be able to support a conservative who was still in the race, just like they were doing by quitting the CArson campaign and joining Cruz’s campaign.

    The more I think about this, the more I think it may have been a very, very sad, mixed-up deal for everybody.

    I don’t like it that Trump is trying to say that he’s the victim. I think the exit polls showed that people decided their vote at the last minute, and Trump had just put out a bunch of stuff that sounds scary to conservatives.

  • Cruz: No Action Against Staffers Who Spread False Rumor Ben Carson Was Dropping Out

    02/03/2016 5:25:13 PM PST · 153 of 218
    butterdezillion to fireman15

    Thank you for the kind words. I start a new job tomorrow so I’m not sure how my days are gonna go from here on out, but as I get the chance I will look into the connections that have been mentioned with Gabriel. Wherever Soros is involved there are reasonable concerns, and I could be giving too much benefit of the doubt.

    What you did in your post was revolutionary. You remembered the trust you had in me, and made me remember the trust I had in you. I see so many people here who have stood together on so many things, and I see them at each other’s throats not really listening to each other, and it hurts. I feel like Gandalf watching as the Council of Elrond descends into accusatory chaos while Sauron whispers his crescendo of intoxicating demonic agitation.

    WE have a horrible enemy, and I can’t wait until we figure out who is Aragorn, who is Legolas, who is Borimir, who is Frodo, and who is Sam - Sam the most humble and in the lowliest position but the one who ultimately defeated Sauron because of his LOVE for Frodo. In the end it is love which wins. I hope we come back to love. For each other, for our country, and for the truth.

  • Cruz: No Action Against Staffers Who Spread False Rumor Ben Carson Was Dropping Out

    02/03/2016 5:10:31 PM PST · 146 of 218
    butterdezillion to caww

    I feel sorry for him. I think he’s a good guy and he seemed really tired. It’s not like him to be grudging, and he held strong on the fact that sharia is opposed to the US Constitution. His campaign had experienced tragic loss and he was good to take time off to care for his IA team. I do think he deserved to be able to announce his resignation on his own terms, and that’s why I’m really sad that the message got out to CNN who made it fair game for both Rubio and Cruz to talk about. I think Cruz felt sorry about it too, and that may be why he apologized.

    I don’t think Cruz did anything wrong, but I wish for Carson’s sake that it had not gone like this. And I fear that somebody is either agitating him or trying to milk this for all it’s worth - which, if so, is scummy. The man has run a good race and should be able to have his announcement and be able to rest.

    I hate politics. I really, really hate politics, because it brings out the worst in people.

  • Cruz: No Action Against Staffers Who Spread False Rumor Ben Carson Was Dropping Out

    02/03/2016 5:05:12 PM PST · 143 of 218
    butterdezillion to dforest

    I don’t know anything about Gabriel, except that he tweeted a specific source that could plausibly have confirmed that Carson had said he was going to quit.

    Did he really? I don’t know. But I’m not gonna claim it was a great big fraud, slimy technique when I don’t know what happened. I’ve already posted what I suspect happened, and that is that Carson’s NH people were told he was going to quit. And one reason I say that is because CArson’s official campaign website has no campaign events listed at all, for anywhere.

  • Cruz: No Action Against Staffers Who Spread False Rumor Ben Carson Was Dropping Out

    02/03/2016 5:01:46 PM PST · 141 of 218
    butterdezillion to austinaero

    Show me the quote where Cruz’s people said that Carson was out.

    The Gabriel tweet said that he had confirmed with Carson’s NH campaign people that Carson was out. It was deleted after Carson basically said that nothing mentioned means that he’s officially out. (He’s still not campaigning in NH or SC, after telling Hannity on an interview a while back that he is a pragmatist and would quit if he didn’t win the first couple primaries).

  • Cruz: No Action Against Staffers Who Spread False Rumor Ben Carson Was Dropping Out

    02/03/2016 4:58:34 PM PST · 140 of 218
    butterdezillion to little jeremiah

    Not really. Gabriel said he confirmed with someone in CArson’s NH crew. That NH crew had all quit the Carson campaign the day before, saying they love Carson but needed to work with someone could win (Cruz). That sounds like people who have been told that Carson would not campaign in NH because he would be announcing his resignation.

    Chances are good that Gabriel DID talk to someone from Carson’s NH campaign, and was told that they had left the campaign because Carson was going to resign. But then Carson had to change the story so that the IA voters would still think he was in it - so he could have his resignation announcement on his own terms, which is fair of him to want and I think Cruz probably recognized that and it’s why he apologized.

  • Cruz: No Action Against Staffers Who Spread False Rumor Ben Carson Was Dropping Out

    02/03/2016 4:52:08 PM PST · 137 of 218
    butterdezillion to GeaugaRepublican

    BAldwin flat-out lies about what the CNN report said. The transcript of the CNN report in question is at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3392448/posts?page=121#121 if you want to see it with apostrophes. Otherwise, here it is:

    BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

    Male: Ben Carson, what have we learned?

    Female: That’s right, our - we should say, our Chris Moody is breaking this, this news, that Ben Carson is gonna go back to Florida to his home, regardless of how he does tonight here in Iowa. He’s gonna go there for several days, and then afterwards he’s not gonna go to South Carolina, he’s not gonna go to New Hampshire. He’s gonna come to Washington, DC, and he’s gonna do that because the National Prayer Breakfast is on Thursday. And people who have been following Ben Carson’s career know that that’s really where he got himself on the political map, attending that prayer breakfast and really giving it to B, President Barack Obama at the time. And he became kind of a hero among uh, conservatives as well as evangelicals especially. But

    M: And it’s very unusual

    F: VERY unusual

    M: to be announcing that you’re going home to rest for a few days, not going on to the next site. Plus, he’s already announced that he’s gonna be coming out and speaking at 9:15 local

    F: Mm-hm

    M: 10:15 Eastern, no matter whether or not uh, we know the results, uh, because he wants to get home and get ahead of the storm.

    F: Look. If you want to be President of the United States, you don’t go to Florida. I mean, that’s just bottom line. That’s the end of the story. If you want to signal to your supporters that you want it, that you’re hungry for it, that you want them to get out and campaign, you gotta be out there doing it too, and he’s not doing it. It’s very unusual.

    M: Very unusual news, that CNN has just learned, CNN’s Chris Moody breaking the story. Wolf, back to you in Washington.

    Wolf Blitzer: VERY significant news indeed, guys. Thanks very much.

    END OF RECORDING

  • Cruz: No Action Against Staffers Who Spread False Rumor Ben Carson Was Dropping Out

    02/03/2016 4:46:27 PM PST · 135 of 218
    butterdezillion to true believer forever

    Where is the source for what you’re saying?

    The transcript for the CNN report is at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3392448/posts?page=121#121

    I’d post it here but I don’t want to have to fix all the apostrophes.

    The big issue was more about Carson not campaigning in NH and SC. And of that, CNN said: “Look. If you want to be President of the United States, you don’t go to Florida. I mean, that’s just bottom line. That’s the end of the story.”

  • Cruz: No Action Against Staffers Who Spread False Rumor Ben Carson Was Dropping Out

    02/03/2016 4:43:00 PM PST · 133 of 218
    butterdezillion to hillarys cankles

    Gabriel specifically said it was somebody in Carson’s NH team who confirmed that Carson was out. Know what we know about CArson’s NH team? They quit Carson’s campaign the day before, to join Cruz’s campaign because (they said) they wanted to work for someone who had a chance to win.

    That tweet was deleted, probably when Carson made clear that he was NOT gonna let people know he was quitting yet. Probably Carson wanted to make his own announcement, and then the CNN report got out there where people knew what it meant before Carson wanted them to know it.

  • Cruz: No Action Against Staffers Who Spread False Rumor Ben Carson Was Dropping Out

    02/03/2016 4:39:35 PM PST · 129 of 218
    butterdezillion to SoConPubbie

    There weren’t any planned meetings in NH or SC that I could see on Carson’s official campaign website as of this morning. There were no campaign events listed for ANYWHERE.

    Which would be awfully strange for somebody who wasn’t throwing in the towel.

  • Cruz: No Action Against Staffers Who Spread False Rumor Ben Carson Was Dropping Out

    02/03/2016 4:36:12 PM PST · 126 of 218
    butterdezillion to pax_et_bonum

    There was a tweet by one of Cruz’s guys saying that somebody from Carson’s NH team had confirmed it.

    Carson’s NH team all quit the Carson team the day before, saying they loved Carson but needed to help a conservative who has a chance to win: Ted Cruz. That sounds a LOT like people who had just been told there wasn’t going to be a NH canpaign because Carson was about to quit.

    My guess is that the Cruz guy spoke to one of the Carson NH people and was told that they had quit because Carson had told them he was going to announce his resignation. And that’s why Cruz’s 2nd memo to his precinct people said that there was going to be a big announcement by Carson.

    But Carson changed his mind about letting people know what he had told CNN about not campaigning in NH and SC, so he said he was not quitting, just going home for a while before leaving Florida in Wed. CNN had reported that he was going to DC on Thursday for the prayer breakfast. So Carson’s people never did say he would campaign; they just said that he hadn’t quit yet. He’s still not campaigning though, which was what Cruz’s people were talking about.

    Because, as CNN said in the report in question, “Look. If you want to be President of the United States, you don’t go to Florida. I mean, that’s just bottom line. That’s the end of the story.”

    When Carson changed his mind about letting people know he was quitting, the Cruz guy deleted his tweet, probably to not get the NH source in trouble. And Cruz apologized rather than expose that Carson had changed his mind.

    That’s what I suspect happened.

  • Cruz: No Action Against Staffers Who Spread False Rumor Ben Carson Was Dropping Out

    02/03/2016 4:25:03 PM PST · 121 of 218
    butterdezillion to SoFloFreeper

    This is the CNN report in question:

    BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

    Male: Ben Carson, what have we learned?

    Female: That’s right, our - we should say, our Chris Moody is breaking this, this news, that Ben Carson is gonna go back to Florida to his home, regardless of how he does tonight here in Iowa. He’s gonna go there for several days, and then afterwards he’s not gonna go to South Carolina, he’s not gonna go to New Hampshire. He’s gonna come to Washington, DC, and he’s gonna do that because the National Prayer Breakfast is on Thursday. And people who have been following Ben Carson’s career know that that’s really where he got himself on the political map, attending that prayer breakfast and really giving it to B, President Barack Obama at the time. And he became kind of a hero among uh, conservatives as well as evangelicals especially. But

    M: And it’s very unusual

    F: VERY unusual

    M: to be announcing that you’re going home to rest for a few days, not going on to the next site. Plus, he’s already announced that he’s gonna be coming out and speaking at 9:15 local

    F: Mm-hm

    M: 10:15 Eastern, no matter whether or not uh, we know the results, uh, because he wants to get home and get ahead of the storm.

    F: Look. If you want to be President of the United States, you don’t go to Florida. I mean, that’s just bottom line. That’s the end of the story. If you want to signal to your supporters that you want it, that you’re hungry for it, that you want them to get out and campaign, you gotta be out there doing it too, and he’s not doing it. It’s very unusual.

    M: Very unusual news, that CNN has just learned, CNN’s Chris Moody breaking the story. Wolf, back to you in Washington.

    Wolf Blitzer: VERY significant news indeed, guys. Thanks very much.

    END OF RECORDING

  • TRUMP: I will 'probably' sue because Ted Cruz cheated in Iowa

    02/03/2016 4:19:21 PM PST · 369 of 405
    butterdezillion to Jane Long

    CNN: “Look. If you want to be President of the United States you don’t go to Florida. I mean, that’s just bottom line. That’s the end of the story.”

  • Ben Carson Gets Hoisted on His Own Petard, and it Isn’t Pretty (VIDEO)

    02/03/2016 4:15:34 PM PST · 30 of 89
    butterdezillion to Walt Griffith

    What Cruz’s campaign said was not really about the trip back to Florida. It was about the fact that Carson was not going to campaign in NH and SC, which is what CNN’s report said. Here’s the transcript of the CNN clip:

    BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

    Male: Ben Carson, what have we learned?

    Female: That’s right, our - we should say, our Chris Moody is breaking this, this news, that Ben Carson is gonna go back to Florida to his home, regardless of how he does tonight here in Iowa. He’s gonna go there for several days, and then afterwards he’s not gonna go to South Carolina, he’s not gonna go to New Hampshire. He’s gonna come to Washington, DC, and he’s gonna do that because the National Prayer Breakfast is on Thursday. And people who have been following Ben Carson’s career know that that’s really where he got himself on the political map, attending that prayer breakfast and really giving it to B, President Barack Obama at the time. And he became kind of a hero among uh, conservatives as well as evangelicals especially. But

    M: And it’s very unusual

    F: VERY unusual

    M: to be announcing that you’re going home to rest for a few days, not going on to the next site. Plus, he’s already announced that he’s gonna be coming out and speaking at 9:15 local

    F: Mm-hm

    M: 10:15 Eastern, no matter whether or not uh, we know the results, uh, because he wants to get home and get ahead of the storm.

    F: Look. If you want to be President of the United States, you don’t go to Florida. I mean, that’s just bottom line. That’s the end of the story. If you want to signal to your supporters that you want it, that you’re hungry for it, that you want them to get out and campaign, you gotta be out there doing it too, and he’s not doing it. It’s very unusual.

    M: Very unusual news, that CNN has just learned, CNN’s Chris Moody breaking the story. Wolf, back to you in Washington.

    Wolf Blitzer: VERY significant news indeed, guys. Thanks very much.

    END OF RECORDING

  • TRUMP: I will 'probably' sue because Ted Cruz cheated in Iowa

    02/03/2016 4:06:19 PM PST · 363 of 405
    butterdezillion to Jane Long

    Also, CRuz’s team said that media reports were saying that Carson was not going to campaign in NH and SC.

    Where is the lie?

    One of Cruz’s team put out a tweet that was later deleted, saying that he had confirmed with somebody in Carson’s NH team that Carson was out. Carson’s NH team had all quit the day before, saying they loved Carson but wanted to help somebody who had a chance of winning (Ted Cruz) - which sounds like something people committed to conservatism would say if they were told, right before their efforts would be most needed in NH, that Carson wasn’t going to campaign there because he was going to announce the end of his candidacy. It seem possible and maybe even probable that the Cruz team contacted one of those people and were told that Carson had told his NH staffers that he was going to quit.

    Perhaps Carson wanted to make sure that people thought he was not going to quit, at least until the vote was over so he could see how he did. But to do that he had to claim that he was still going to campaign - contradicting what he told his NH workers (if what I suspect is correct).

  • TRUMP: I will 'probably' sue because Ted Cruz cheated in Iowa

    02/03/2016 3:57:16 PM PST · 359 of 405
    butterdezillion to Jane Long

    Let me C&P it here again:

    FEMALE: Look. If you want to be President of the United States, you don’t go to Florida. I mean, that’s just bottom line. That’s the end of the story. If you want to signal to your supporters that you want it, that you’re hungry for it, that you want them to get out and campaign, you gotta be out there doing it too, and he’s not doing it. It’s very unusual.

  • TRUMP: I will 'probably' sue because Ted Cruz cheated in Iowa

    02/03/2016 3:53:44 PM PST · 357 of 405
    butterdezillion to butterdezillion

    lol. OK, now without New Hampshirt:

    BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

    Male: Ben Carson, what have we learned?

    Female: That’s right, our - we should say, our Chris Moody is breaking this, this news, that Ben Carson is gonna go back to Florida to his home, regardless of how he does tonight here in Iowa. He’s gonna go there for several days, and then afterwards he’s not gonna go to South Carolina, he’s not gonna go to New Hampshire. He’s gonna come to Washington, DC, and he’s gonna do that because the National Prayer Breakfast is on Thursday. And people who have been following Ben Carson’s career know that that’s really where he got himself on the political map, attending that prayer breakfast and really giving it to B, President Barack Obama at the time. And he became kind of a hero among uh, conservatives as well as evangelicals especially. But

    M: And it’s very unusual

    F: VERY unusual

    M: to be announcing that you’re going home to rest for a few days, not going on to the next site. Plus, he’s already announced that he’s gonna be coming out and speaking at 9:15 local

    F: Mm-hm

    M: 10:15 Eastern, no matter whether or not uh, we know the results, uh, because he wants to get home and get ahead of the storm.

    F: Look. If you want to be President of the United States, you don’t go to Florida. I mean, that’s just bottom line. That’s the end of the story. If you want to signal to your supporters that you want it, that you’re hungry for it, that you want them to get out and campaign, you gotta be out there doing it too, and he’s not doing it. It’s very unusual.

    M: Very unusual news, that CNN has just learned, CNN’s Chris Moody breaking the story. Wolf, back to you in Washington.

    Wolf Blitzer: VERY significant news indeed, guys. Thanks very much.

    END OF RECORDING

  • TRUMP: I will 'probably' sue because Ted Cruz cheated in Iowa

    02/03/2016 3:50:08 PM PST · 356 of 405
    butterdezillion to Jane Long

    OK, here’s the transcript:

    BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

    Male: Ben Carson, what have we learned?

    Female: That’s right, our - we should say, our Chris Moody is breaking this, this news, that Ben Carson is gonna go back to Florida to his home, regardless of how he does tonight here in Iowa. He’s gonna go there for several days, and then afterwards he’s not gonna go to South Caroline, he’s not gonna go to New Hampshirt. He’s gonna come to Washington, DC, and he’s gonna do that because the National Prayer Breakfast is on Thursday. And people who have been following Ben Carsons career know that that’s really where he got himself on the political map, attending that prayer breakfast and really giving it to B, President Barack Obama at the time. And he became kind of a hero among uh, conservatives as well as evangelicals especially. But

    M: And it’s very unusual

    F: VERY unusual

    M: to be announcing that you’re going home to rest for a few days, not going on to the next site. Plus, he’s already announced that he’s gonna be coming out and speaking at 9:15 local

    F: Mm-hm

    M: 10:15 Eastern, no matter whether or not uh, we know the results, uh, because he wants to get home and get ahead of the storm.

    F: Look. If you want to be President of the United States, you don’t go to Florida. I mean, that’s just bottom line. That’s the end of the story. If you want to signal to your supporters that you want it, that you’re hungry for it, that you want them to get out and campaign, you gotta be out there doing it too, and he’s not doing it. It’s very unusual.

    M: Very unusual news, that CNN has just learned, CNN’s Chris Moody breaking the story. Wolf, back to you in Washington.

    Wolf Blitzer: VERY significant news indeed, guys. Thanks very much.

    END OF RECORDING

  • Carson Camp: Cruz Apology Is Too Little, Too Late

    02/03/2016 3:26:11 PM PST · 227 of 227
    butterdezillion to odawg

    An IA caucus-goer commented on this thread that the Carson campaign had no energy in the state. He said the campaign was suspended after one of their IA staffers was killed in a car accident and the campaign had never been un-suspended, which contradicts the claims that he had been campaigning for 18? straight days and so he needed a clothes change.

    The comment about dropping out if he didn’t win the first couple primaries was in an interview with Hannity, IIRC.

    The video can be seen at https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1085531334800368&id=100000305365400&_rdr

    (or I’m told it’s also at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBfEfKZ6rBk if you don’t want to go on FB)

    If you listen you will hear them say that Carson would not be going to NH or SC, and everybody knows that’s the behavior of somebody who’s about to quit.

    So Carson’s “campaigning” is at a Prayer Breakfast in DC. And that “campaigning” is why he can call Cruz a liar for reiterating CNN’s report that he wasn’t going to campaign in NH and SC. Is that what you’re saying?

  • TRUMP: I will 'probably' sue because Ted Cruz cheated in Iowa

    02/03/2016 3:15:00 PM PST · 349 of 405
    butterdezillion to Red Steel

    What’s your point? Carson made the accusation, yes. But what was the lie? Cruz said that the media was reporting that Carson would not be campaigning in NH or SC. I’ve posted the links to the audio showing that’s exactly what they said. The Carson campaign site lists no campaign events anywhere. The Carson campaign, in correcting the “false CNN report”, never claimed that he would campaign in NH or SC but that he would leave FL on Wednesday (CNN had reported that the Wednesday event would be the National Prayer Breakfast in DC).

    As far as I can tell, Carson still isn’t planning on campaigning and never specifically stated that he would be - unless he considers the Prayer Breakfast campaigning, which would bring up a whole ‘nother set of issues.

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    02/03/2016 3:10:03 PM PST · 347 of 405
    butterdezillion to Jane Long

    They said he would not be going to NH or SC and everybody knows that is the action of a person who’s going to quit soon.

    Listen to the video at https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1085531334800368&id=100000305365400&_rdr

    (or I’m told it’s also at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBfEfKZ6rBk if you don’t want to go on FB)

    If I still had my transcriptionist’s pedal I’d transcribe it so people could see the words in front of their faces.

  • TRUMP: I will 'probably' sue because Ted Cruz cheated in Iowa

    02/03/2016 3:06:07 PM PST · 342 of 405
    butterdezillion to Red Steel

    There’s an icon on my screen that I can’t open.

  • TRUMP: I will 'probably' sue because Ted Cruz cheated in Iowa

    02/03/2016 3:03:20 PM PST · 339 of 405
    butterdezillion to Red Steel

    C&P the exact words you’re talking about.

  • TRUMP: I will 'probably' sue because Ted Cruz cheated in Iowa

    02/03/2016 3:02:00 PM PST · 337 of 405
    butterdezillion to mac_truck

    The video of it is at https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1085531334800368&id=100000305365400&_rdr

    (or I’m told it’s also at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBfEfKZ6rBk if you don’t want to go on FB)

    So you can listen again and see if you still say they weren’t strongly suggesting that when they said that EVERYBODY knows if you don’t go to NH and SC you’re planning to quit. ‘Cause the substance of their report was that Carson was going home to Florida for a few days and would not be going on to NH or SC.

  • TRUMP: I will 'probably' sue because Ted Cruz cheated in Iowa

    02/03/2016 2:58:26 PM PST · 334 of 405
    butterdezillion to MaxFlint

    Well-said.

  • TRUMP: I will 'probably' sue because Ted Cruz cheated in Iowa

    02/03/2016 2:56:08 PM PST · 331 of 405
    butterdezillion to patriot08

    American is good. But not somebody who’s gonna fight the wrong things. I don’t want universal healthcare. I don’t want somebody claiming that citing a news report is fraud; that’s invented fraud and somebody who is going to expose REAL fraud (like the coup of 2008, which is what I had hoped Donald would do) doesn’t have time to piddle in made-up frauds.

    If Donald wants to sue, what he should be suing over is Cruz’s eligibility, so we can finally get an answer. And if Trump and Cruz would work together on it they could together expose the 2008 coup. At this point I don’t know if either really cares all that much about confronting our real enemies, because they’re both so fixated on making up stuff about each other.

  • TRUMP: I will 'probably' sue because Ted Cruz cheated in Iowa

    02/03/2016 2:45:46 PM PST · 329 of 405
    butterdezillion to patriot08

    How did he know it to be a false story?

    The actual claim of CNN, which Cruz passed along to his people, was that Carson was not going to go to NH or SC. Has even Carson denied the truth of that report? His campaign website has no campaign events listed, anywhere. His campaign on Monday night only mentioned that he would be out and about on Wednesday - which CNN had reported would be his attendance at the Prayer Breakfast in DC. So the campaign on Monday, responding to all this stuff, never DID say that he would be campaigning anywhere.

    So exactly what is false about the story? What is false about what Cruz said? And how would Cruz know it was false - especially if it is true that Carson’s NH crew, which had just quit to join the Cruz campaign, disclosed that they left Carson’s campaign because Carson had told them he wasn’t going to do anything in NH and was going to make his announcement soon?

  • TRUMP: I will 'probably' sue because Ted Cruz cheated in Iowa

    02/03/2016 2:32:30 PM PST · 324 of 405
    butterdezillion to Red Steel

    Carson’s NH campaign had just quit on Sunday night. They said they loved Carson but were leaving so their efforts could go toward someone with a good chance at winning: Ted Cruz”. We know that for a fact. To me, that sounds like people who had been told that Carson was not going to campaign any more (like his campaign website shows with no campaign events listed) and was going to announce the end of his campaign soon.

    The Cruz campaign told one of their precinct people who is a freeper that there was more to the story than meets the eye. If Gabriel did find out from Carson’s former NH team that Carson had told them he was announcing the end this week, it would make sense that he deleted the tweet when it turned out that Carson changed his mind about letting CNN and the rest of the world know he wasn’t going to campaign in NH or SC.

    And that seems to be what this is about: Carson changing his mind about when and how to let people know he would soon be dropping out. The only public event his campaign has made any mention of was the Prayer Breakfast in DC. Is that a campaign event?

  • TRUMP: I will 'probably' sue because Ted Cruz cheated in Iowa

    02/03/2016 2:22:54 PM PST · 322 of 405
    butterdezillion to Red Steel

    Give me the quote of Cruz’s “lie”.

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    02/03/2016 2:20:33 PM PST · 320 of 405
    butterdezillion to austinaero

    Quote Cruz’s “lie”. To be a lie it has to be factually untrue and he had to know it was factually untrue. Give me a quote of Cruz’s “lie”.

  • TRUMP: I will 'probably' sue because Ted Cruz cheated in Iowa

    02/03/2016 2:19:08 PM PST · 318 of 405
    butterdezillion to Eddie01

    There’s not going to be any money left to fight the dems’ cheating if this case of somebody citing a CNN report is tried in the courts as if it was actually against rules/laws to mention a news report.

  • TRUMP: I will 'probably' sue because Ted Cruz cheated in Iowa

    02/03/2016 2:16:24 PM PST · 313 of 405
    butterdezillion to thackney

    Thanks for that link. Seems that Rubio was saying that Carson was quitting. Interesting to see the talk on that page about whether Carson had changed his campaign schedule. But if you look at his campaign schedule on his official campaign website there are no campaign events listed - at least as of this morning when I looked. HE didn’t change his plans to skip NH and SC; he never had those plans. (Or maybe with NH he had plans but then couldn’t do them because his NH staff quit Sunday.)

  • TRUMP: I will 'probably' sue because Ted Cruz cheated in Iowa

    02/03/2016 2:04:49 PM PST · 306 of 405
    butterdezillion to Eddie01

    Explain to me how citing a CNN report is cheating.

  • TRUMP: I will 'probably' sue because Ted Cruz cheated in Iowa

    02/03/2016 2:01:30 PM PST · 303 of 405
    butterdezillion to austinaero

    CNN lies AGAIN!! They did this yesterday too. This Baldwin gal says:

    “We reported it accurately and here are the facts. Dr. Carson’s staff told us that he would return home to Florida to, quote unquote, take a breath from the campaign… That accurate report was disseminated on television and CNN digital and that was that. That was that…”

    But you can listen to the actual CNN clip at https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1085531334800368&id=100000305365400&_rdr

    (or I’m told it’s also at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBfEfKZ6rBk if you don’t want to go on FB)

    It is clear that they are saying that Carson would NOT be going to NH or SC - which is exactly what Ted Cruz said the CNN report said, when he gave his apology.

    CNN lies, lies, lies. And the video makes that clear.

    So which Freepers care about what the truth really is? That’s been one of the most disgusting things about this whole thing. Truth doesn’t seem to matter here these days. Just partisan potshots.

  • TRUMP: I will 'probably' sue because Ted Cruz cheated in Iowa

    02/03/2016 1:51:56 PM PST · 290 of 405
    butterdezillion to austinaero

    How is citing a CNN report cheating? Just please explain it to me. When Carson told CNN that he wouldn’t be campaigning in NH and SC and they reported it, did he have a copyright on that information and everybody was gagged from being able to know and share that information? What kind of censorship is this anyway?

  • TRUMP: I will 'probably' sue because Ted Cruz cheated in Iowa

    02/03/2016 1:49:40 PM PST · 284 of 405
    butterdezillion to Trumpinator

    I want somebody who fights, yes. But I want somebody who fights for the truth, and not just for himself. I had thought Donald might be that person. I’m not so sure any more.

  • TRUMP: I will 'probably' sue because Ted Cruz cheated in Iowa

    02/03/2016 1:48:03 PM PST · 281 of 405
    butterdezillion to austinaero

    The specific inside source he cited in that tweet was Carson’s NH people. Carson no longer has any NH people; they all quit on Sunday and joined the Cruz campaign, so their work would not be wasted, according to their statement. They said they loved Carson but needed to go where their work could help somebody win.

    Sounds to me like those people had just been told that Carson was going to close up shop. Which would explain why he doesn’t have any campaign events on his schedule.

    If that’s the case, then Carson changed his mind about quitting - or at least about letting anybody KNOW he would be quitting, ‘cause he STILL doesn’t have any campaign events scheduled...

  • TRUMP: I will 'probably' sue because Ted Cruz cheated in Iowa

    02/03/2016 1:42:55 PM PST · 274 of 405
    butterdezillion to austinaero

    No. The CNN story was that Carson was not going to NH or SC. A story which matches the empty campaign event schedule on his official campaign website. That’s what Cruz’s campaign told their internal people.

    CNN tried to claim that they said he was taking a break to FL instead of going DIRECTLY to NH or SC - implying that he was intending to go to NH or SC after stopping home in FL. But that is NOT what they reported, and that does NOT fit what is on Carson’s campaign website.

    So CNN is lying to try to feed the “Cruz lied” meme. Exactly what I would expect by a news company that provides manpower for the GOPe’s plan of a brokered convention by raising up Rubio and bringing down Trump and Cruz.

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    02/03/2016 1:35:41 PM PST · 268 of 405
    butterdezillion to NKP_Vet

    I haven’t followed closely, but I thought I saw headlines about Trump saying that he has a heart about immigrants and wouldn’t deport them, and that he wanted universal healthcare where the government just takes care of us. If he wants to replace Obamacare with universal healthcare how is that a good thing? And saying to have a heart for immigrants and not deport them - it just seemed like a turnabout from what he started out saying.

    Like I said, I have not followed this closely. I don’t watch TV or listen to the radio. I don’t take a newspaper or magazines. I just see headlines in passing and either click or don’t. So I knew nothing about any Cruz or Trump ads. But I started wondering what Trump was doing. I knew he’d have to veer left for NH; the candidates always do. But these things seemed to undo what he had been talking about. Same thing with when he criticized Cruz for “not getting along with others” and not knowing how to “make the deal” - saying you can’t just call Mitch McConnell a liar on the Senate floor. It was so different than the outsider-coming-to-clean-up-the-mess reputation he was trying to build on

    I don’t know who Donald Trump is any more.

    My life has been chaotic so I don’t look closely into a lot of things these days but being snowed in these last 2 days tempted me to waste time and I wasted time checking out this story of Cruz being a lying snake, and it just doesn’t pan out. Yet no matter what evidence I’ve presented I get the same response from the Trump people and it’s really scaring me. I’ve defended Trump, Cruz, and Carson, but what I’ve seen in the last couple days really scares me, because it seems like party spirit has totally drowned out a thirst for truth.

  • TRUMP: I will 'probably' sue because Ted Cruz cheated in Iowa

    02/03/2016 1:24:52 PM PST · 247 of 405
    butterdezillion to Red Steel

    Give me a quote of Cruz’s “lie”, regarding Carson. To be a lie it has to be factually incorrect, and he had to know it was factually incorrect. What is the quote?