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Oh - and did I mention that the illegal Obama regime oversaw the “loss”/transfer of 20,000+ Manpads so that our terrorist enemies can now shoot down a 747 every day for the next 54 years?

Obama is not just arming with guns and military-grade weapons the drug cartels and the Islamists associated with them. He is arming Islamists over the globe who can hit us any time, any place, for as long as they want. Chicago, New York, LA, podunk city in the boondocks, CPAC... anywhere. anytime. They don’t need to be in an airport or on an airplane. There will be no opportunity for them to be whole-body scanned.

When the Taliban is in the White House, and media and Congress are all held hostage from doing anything about his crimes against the nation, what is impossible to the Taliban?

When you realize that Obama is a foreign enemy combatant (illegally installed by world communists and Islamists by holding all the systems hostage), Benghazi, Fast and Furious, the seeming framing of the SEAL Team 6 to be assassinated, the desecration of their bodies by a Muslim imam at Bagram AFB, and the refusal of the military to adequately investigate, and the Boston bombing wherein Michelle Obama went to the hospital to figuratively “high-five” the Saudi “person of interest” who was tackled at the finish line - who the CIA and Obama knew to be Hamza, the son of Osama Bin Laden - ..... all take on a different flavor and urgency.

Each of these is a piece in the overall puzzle. If you don’t understand the key piece - that he was installed by a communist-Islamist coup through forgery, perjury, and threats that held the whole system hostage - you can get a totally different picture from the individual dots. But when you see the key lynch-piece, there is no mistaking what the other “dots” are all about.

Even if the eligibility issue is held at bay until Obama is gone, the story needs to be told to the public, because what happened was a full coup, and people NEED to know how vulnerable we are. They need to know how we got to the point that George Soros, David Axelrod, and Rahm Emanuel could hold the CONSERVATIVE media hostage through threats. And how the Clintons could be held hostage by having their key operatives killed and their daughter’s life threatened.

This isn’t just threats of IRS audits or losing jobs. We’re talking death here. Benghazi and Fast and Furious are NOT anomalies. They are standard operating procedure for these enemy combatants. The communists and Islamists have been saying FOREVER that they would destroy America from within, and those are the groups both Soros and Obama have always allied themselves.

Larry Sellin overheard a 2012 R presidential primary candidate explain that nobody would touch the eligibility issue because they know it goes WAY deeper than anybody wants to delve. Now that the combatant-in-chief has gotten our Seal Team 6 killed and desecrated, refused to help our 4 guys in Benghazi, armed the drug cartels so that innocent people including Brian Terry have been killed, and given Osama Bin Laden’s son a figurative “high-five” in the hospital to congratulate him for a bombing that killed several people - including an 8-year-old boy waiting for his dad to cross the finish line - and wounded lots more.... it seems like at least the spooks are angry enough to risk 20 years in prison to give the earnest members of Congress the proofs of these crimes.

Maybe Congress also will realize - and will make clear to the public - that we cannot afford to ignore the foreign enemy combatant in our White House, because he is killing our people and our government. Literally.

Can either of you gather some documentation for me on those claims - the burning of the church that Lois Anderson was associated with, the husband’s wallet being left full, the police chief being removed by Odinga - as well as Lois’ claims regarding Ann Dunham? If so, you can freepmail me if you like.

Also, anything on the story of Lia Soetoro’s death and plans to visit Obama?

I’m trying to pull together a bunch of stuff and my mind is going nuts trying to keep track of details so any help is greatly appreciated. =)

Is any penalty worse than the retribution of a potential butterfly drone attack?

Think about the unscrupulous nature of this regime and then think about the powers that our do-nothing Congress has allowed this regime to grab for itself.

In a very real, down-to-earth sense, what is impossible to Obama at this point? What CAN’T he do to us? Somebody name me 5 physical things he can’t do to us in the current status quo (IOW, when we are not in open Civil War), and what stops him from being able to do it.

One other thing. I was told that the FBI knows the people who forged Obama’s BC and would cover for them.

I hope and pray that Obama has ticked them off to the point that they will NOT cover for him but will actually, instead, expose him.

The spooks know it was Bin Laden’s son that Michelle Obama yukked it up with at the hospital after the Boston bombing. They’ve risked 20 years in prison in order to give documentation to 10 members of Congress and Glenn Beck. Beck gave it it all to the rest of the media saying it needs to come from them and we will all see who will or will not do their job. Some reporters wrote articles but the powers-that-be wouldn’t allow them to be published. Those powers-that-be better be prepared to face the wrath of the spooks.

As you say, if push comes to shove we may see some intel on those “powers-that-be”. Maybe who they’ve been calling, maybe who they’ve been sleeping with, maybe how often the White House has hosted them...

If these people have risked 20 years in prison they are beyond just a little bit peeved.

If any of you are reading this, know that I’m ticked off with you, as would be any red-blooded American. Go for it.

If Obama is forced to resign I will consider it a victory on that front, but if the press remains in charge of what gets legal attention and what dies on the vine, then the country will be lost anyway.

Everybody is dancing around the real issue, with all this stuff. What needs to come out in the very near future is the fact that the press has been threatened with FCC/FEC annihilation if they reported Obama’s ineligibility. The leftist press basically said that if it was Bush who was doing these threats it would be bad but because it was Obama they would self-censor for his sake. The “conservative” press was figuratively forced to rape its own sister in full view of everybody - had to mock and ridicule the very people that these threatened entities KNEW were right! This is disgusting, it is dangerous, and it needs to become public knowledge immediately.

Because that is what has really been going on with our country. The narratives are being set by a compliant liberal AND “conservative” press because they were threatened. And the meme that they were supposed to keep coming up with was the exact opposite of what they all knew to be true: that anybody who says the country has been taken over in a vast conpsiracy is a crazy person who shouldn’t be trusted. Glenn Beck knows full well the country has been taken over in a conspiracy. They all do. But at knife-point they have been required to mock those who speak what they know is true.

We can’t call Benghazi what it is, because that would be a “conspiracy theory”. We can’t call the IRS and AP stuff what it is because that would be a “crazy conspiracy theory”. We can’t call the deaths and following desecration of the Navy SEAL Team 6 what it was because that would be a “conspiracy”. We have to talk about “cover-ups” and not about what is being covered up because whatever is being covered up is “conspiratorial”.

The fact is that we have 2 major enemies who have sworn to destroy us from within: the communists and the Islamists. Obama and his handlers have been intimately associated with those 2 groups from time immemorial. Breitbart died on the very day he swore to come clean to the American publc with the whole story, regardless of whether it cost him his “credibility”. He figuratively said “Screw these rules” and hit the ground dead before he could say another word. Glenn Beck has the same mindset and had to leave Fox because of threats to his secretary, because Fox wouldn’t provide protection for her.

Until we address what has happened directly to the press, people are never going to understand what is going on. You don’t put a patient under general anesthesia if you don’t intend to do surgery, and the public needs to know that the entire media was knocked out COLD by this regime and it was for one reason: this regime conducted a coup while the supposed “watchdogs” were anesthetized and the public was left vulnerable to lies. Threatening to destroy anybody who reported on Obama’s ineligibility is a conspiracy. It’s been documented. It needs to become common public knowledge, before anybody can understand what is going on with any of these other “stories”.

If we’re willing to let him be right, then we deserve everything we get. A snake is a snake; can’t blame a snake for being what it is. The person to blame is he who lets the boa constrictor play with his baby in the crib and watches silently with his thumb in his nose while the snake squeezes the life out of the child.

If we are willing to watch these boas kill our baby without rising up to defend her, then we deserve a dead baby. Period.

I’m looking at the comments here and I’m saddened by how demoralized everybody is. We are defeatist people willing to accept whatever tyranny is put over on us, as long as we can still complain about it and do nothing real. We don’t expect anything real; we have totally accepted the lawlessness of BOTH parties. We are like battered wives who think we can do nothing to get ourselves out of an abusive relationship when in fact it is our willingness to keep the status quo and our unwillingness to FORCE change that keeps us tied and gagged. We are the creators of our own slavery. As someone (who Obama hates and has publicly flipped the bird) once said, “We have nothing to fear but fear itself.”

Why does Obama hate Churchill so much? Because he is afraid that we will believe him and actually DO something to resist the Fourth Reich, rather than just wringing our hands and tsk-tsking while we all talk about how weak America is. Dang it - WE ARE AMERICA. If America is weak it is because WE are weak.

We shouldn’t be asking whether Obama gets out, as if there is even an option that he stay as is. The guy is a foreign enemy combatant and he has taken over the entire government - all the branches - and is using them to destroy us and raise up our communist and Islamist enemies who have sworn to destroy us. And we’re going Ho-Hum. Asking ourselves whether the terrorists sawing away at our neck will voluntarily stop if we say please.

This is ridiculous! When are we going to stand up and say, “I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it any more!!”? We shouldn’t be asking anything right now; we should be DEMANDING. When the Greatest Generation saw Hitler advancing they weren’t on Twitter couch-potato-quarterbacking, asking whether it was going to amount to anything. They were pushing up their sleeves, climbing into the trenches, and acting like they were Americans, like their country was worth saving, and like their children’s futures depended on them.

“Take up the battle with the foe. To you from failing hands we throw the torch. Be yours to hold it high. If ye break faith with us who die we shall not sleep, though poppies blow in Flander’s Fields.”

Memorial Day will be here soon and that poem will be read all over the country. We’ve got four men who died in Benghazi and a couple dozen who died in Afghanistan whose bodies were desecrated by our Islamist enemies at the approval of our own DOD, after dying because they were left totally and deliberately unprotected by own own regime. And we’re asking each other whether the torch is going to fall while we all watch. What the heck is wrong with us?! Those men didn’t die to pass on a baton that we all just watch clink to the asphalt!! The Greatest Generation didn’t save us from the Axis Powers just to have us bow to our Muslim and communist overlord in the White House now!!

Come on! We need to man up and git ‘r done! This isn’t a spectator sport.

The Obama regime has lied about why they denied security before this attack, why they refused standard protocols during this attack, and why they lied about what really happened after the attack. Those lies are smokescreens to keep from having to say the truth. IOW, the truth is worse than whatever has been allowed to come out thus far.

If Obama is arming terrorists against us (as, for instance, the 20,000+ Manpads that Ty Woods was trying to locate - enough to take down a US 747 every day for the next 54 years!), that would rise to the level of treason.

If they planned on the Al Qaeda-affiliated Ansar al-Islam attacking and capturing Chris Stevens and left him unprotected, leading to his death - that is manslaughter at the very least.

When you look at the way these people desecrated the members of SEAL Team 6 (after setting them up to be slaughtered and then conducting a whitewash “investigation”) - as if it was arranged by our own military for the terrorists to get revenge on those who had allegedly killed Bin Laden - you see a pattern that’s mighty ugly.

And speaking of ugly, it’s also ugly that Michelle Obama visited in the hospital a Saudi who had been tackled at the Boston marathon finish line, whom she knew to be Hamza, the son of Bin Laden. The supposed “first lady” yukking it up with the guy who planned the Boston marathon bombing to avenge the death of his father Osama Bin Laden. The guy’s smiling face was plastered in front of the Muslim world as it was reported that Michelle had visited him personally. He didn’t even have to work to get Michelle to put out for him; she came to him in full view of the Muslim world. And afterwards, CIA and/or FBI whistleblowers risked 20 years in prison to give the evidence of what had happened to 10 members of Congress and to Glenn Beck who then gave the documentation to all the media companies. And the media companies watched Michelle Obama put out for Bin Laden’s son in full view of everybody and did nothing about it.

So that’s 2 instances where it really looks like Valerie Jarrett’s Iranian and terrorist “friends” were able to get “payback” for the killing of Bin Laden, with a little help from Valerie Jarrett’s puppet regime.

I hope Valerie Jarrett learns the hard way what she gloated over shortly before the stolen 2012 election: “Payback’s a b!tch.”

I don’t think they can. The law was changed in 1999 so that only the Attorney General can appoint a special counsel/investigator.

I believe Congress can appoint a select committee to investigate but the investigation is limited to 90 days. And if I’m not mistaken the end result is that they can recommend that the AG appoint a special counsel...

This is why the Senate confirmation of somebody who hates America is downright dangerous to the country and must NOT be done. Once the guy is in as AG, only impeachment can take him out, and then there’s STILL no AG to appoint special counsel. The AG is a placeholder to keep anybody else from being able to investigate the most serious crimes in the country.

I believe the criteria for confirming an AG should be that they have a solid lifelong history of non-partisan investigation/prosecution. Anybody else in that position is way, way too dangerous for this country to tolerate.

Obama’s mother wasn’t old enough to confer US citizenship if her child was born on foreign soil. If he wasn’t born on US soil then he had to naturalize just to become a US citizen at all. A possible loophole to that could be if she was single when he was born, but I’m not sure about that

At this point the crimes committed to cover up Obama’s lack of documentation are what should land him not only out of the White House but in jail for a very, very long time. If he naturalized and is thus a US citizen now, what he has done is treason, and the Constitutional remedy is the death penalty.

There’s a timeline of the litigation at the bottom of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_California . By March of 2011 the issue was in the federal court, with the state courts having run their course.

It looks like Orly Taitz’ CA lawsuits and the gay marriage lawsuit were already settled at the state level by then. I’m not seeing any major lawsuits around then that make sense for this. I wonder if this was in anticipation of further eligibility lawsuits. I wonder if they knew yet, then, that Gary Kreep would be running for judge. Hm. Looks like Kreep filed his intention to run on Feb 13, 2012 so they didn’t know he’d be running.

What litigation was going on in CA at the time, that they would want the medical records from all the judges (presumably for bribery purposes)?

Hmm. And some of these people wandering around in the forest where this water supply is, doing research related to their engineering degrees, were from Saudi Arabia where this coronavirus comes from?

Obviously nothing to see here. No reason to monitor their calls, like AP phones have to be monitored...

And didn’t we just find out that terrorists have been working on plans to do a chemical or biological attack on our water supply?

Ping

I think the AG normally appoints an independent investigator to investigate issues where the executive branch itself has been accused of wrong-doing. Holder should have appointed an independent federal investigator for Fast and Furious, Benghazi, SEAL Team 6, the release of Alharbi after the Boston bombing, and the birth certificate and selective service forgeries. And now AP and IRS as well.

To be truthful, Holder is smack dab in the middle of all the corruption. The only way to have somebody who doesn’t have to recuse himself is if Holder is booted out of office and replaced.

An Iranian or North Korean super-EMP orbiting the earth and aimed at the hole in our south-facing radar could knock out the infrastructure of the entire US. The first we would know of it would be the lights going out, and the US government estimates that a much smaller EMP would result in 6 million Americans dead within the first 6 months after an EMP hit. For a super-EMP I believe the number is closer to 20 million.

Both Iran and North Korea have put packages into orbit that fit the profile for a super-EMP seeking to exploit that hole in our radar defense.

Obama is in cahoots with the enemies of the US - not just the small terrorists like Bin Laden’s son Hamza (whom Michelle visited in the hospital to give a figurative “high five” after he was caught at the finish line of the Boston marathon), but also the big communist and Islamist players who funded his campaign and (I believe) provided the money-power for the Sept 2008 run on the bank that allowed Soros to threaten everyone into silence over Obama’s ineligibility.

20,000 Manpads went missing from Libya. That’s enough weaponry to bring down a 747 EVERY DAY FOR THE NEXT 54 YEARS. We’re not talking piddles here. Obama is deadly dangerous, and he is in cahoots with our enemies in a big, big way. Put nothing past him. He is keeping the southern border wide open for Hamas and Hezbollah operatives flown in on direct unchecked flights from Iran to Venezuela, he is arming our enemies so they can take down our planes anywhere, anytime, he is stalling so that Iran can get nuke capability, he is helping to install pro-terrorist Muslim Brotherhood governments all over the place, his DOD allowed for our SEAL Team 6 to be killed in one fell swoop and then had an imam desecrate the bodies by saying the infidels will go to hell and by gloating that “Allah has won”. Etc.

The treacheries of the foreign enemy combatant in our White House are much, much deeper and bigger than anybody wants to delve. That is what a 2012 R primary presidential candidate said is keeping anybody from dealing with Obama’s ineligibility, as overheard by Larry Sellin.

I don’t know if they’re going to do some smaller hits first or just go straight to the big one. But the US is incredibly vulnerable. In the time that North Korea backed off its last confrontation, we should have been repairing that hole in our radar. But we can’t do that with a foreign enemy combatant in control of our military...

I fear we’d see a repeat of what happened with Clinton on the Cox and Thompson reports, which is what Holder et al have already done with all the Congressional investigations: refuse to honor subpoenas. Unless a select committee is ready to arrest people like Eric Holder who defy their subpoenas, deadlines, etc. 90 days is not long enough to get answers from anybody. If both Issa’s group and a select committee have the ability to subpoena, it seems like the major difference is that a select committee is limited to 90 days, and that would be a bad thing given this regime’s stonewalling.

Is there some legal ability that a select committee has, that Issa’s committee doesn’t have? What is the advantage to make up for the time restriction?

See post 144 at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3011139/posts?page=145#145 and surrounding conversation. This is where Mesta identifies Alharbi as Hamza the son of Bin Laden. I said on a different thread that it was through facial recognition metrics but she corrected me and said that it was by more than just that, and her qualifications are for more than just facial recognition.

On another thread Hardraade said that somebody from DHS asked people if they believed Beck’s claim that Alharbi is really Hamza. Beck hasn’t said outright that this is who Alharbi is but has said that Obama needs to come clean because Beck knows who Alharbi is, as do these 10 members of Congress who were also given the information, which Beck also passed on to the media.

There are links to each of the different parts of the story but I don’t have time to find them right now. Let me know if you’d like me to find those and I can look for them later.

And especially after they not only desecrated SEAL Team 6, but when a bystander tackled Osama Bin Laden’s son Hamza at the finish line of the Boston marathon, a photo of his grinning face in the hospital was displayed for all the Muslim world to see, because Michelle Obama had just come to the hospital to give him a figurative high-five.

Whistleblowers in the CIA and/or FBI gave to 10 members of Congress and Glenn Beck information about the Saudi “person of interest” who was classified as a known terrorist and then someone (and they know who it is) single-handedly removed that classification and the regime sent him back home to Saudi Arabia while the whole Muslim world knows it was Bin Laden’s son and that our enemy-combatant-in-chief had his wife come and pay homage to him in full sight of all of us.

Talk about the middle finger salute.

Beck passed on the information and documentation to all the news media companies and told the regime they needed to ‘fess up because he knows who Alhamdi really is. Reporters wrote up stories but the editors (or somebody high up) wouldn’t allow the stories to be published.

So not only did Michelle Obama pay homage to Bin Laden’s son who had just perpetrated the planning of the Boston bombing, but the entire media kept silence to keep America in the dark while the Muslim world laughs their silly arses off at America.

Why doesn’t he just come out and spit on the families of the fallen? Calling them clowns for wanting answers? Disgusting vermin, he is.

Exactly!

Would a select committee be able to compel the deposition of military people that Pickering’s DOD put a gag order on? Could they subpoena and get search warrants?

It also takes a Senate with any semblance of honor - which we haven’t had for a very, very long time.

But whatever this select committee is - does it have some legal teeth? Can it subpoena and get search warrants, for instance?

He was threatened in 2008, after the 2 people who were going to enable Hillary to challenge Obama’s eligibility at the Dem Convention were killed within a 2-week timespan immediately before the Convention. The day after the 2nd helper (Stephanie Tubbs) died Hillary supporter Phil Berg filed a lawsuit against the DNC and Obama. They were still going to fight. When Chelsea’s life was threatened both Hill and Bill gave up the fight.

I have a lot of problems with both the Clintons; they’ve got enough blood on their hands to disqualify them from anything good, but they meant to challenge Obama and gave it up for their daughter’s sake. This according to sources close to the Clintons, as described by Bettina Viviano.

How is a joint select committee formed and what authority or power does it have? All along I’ve been thinking that Congress could appoint a special federal investigator/prosecutor but since 1999 they can’t; it has to be the AG who does it. So what power does Congress actually have, to investigate a corrupt executive branch including the AG?

This is the most critical question our country faces. If there is no way to hold the executive branch accountable to the law once the POTUS appoints all the foxes to guard the henhouses, then the country is sunk.

Never mind that their oaths also require it of them...

Cut the lower levels out of the decision-making process and then claim that the decisions were made by them. Don’t investigate any higher because you’ve already blamed it on the subordinates.

Got it. Just like every unaccountable tyrant in some banana republic...

I hope this lets the lower levels know exactly where they stand, and why it is in their best interests, as well as the best interests of the country, to mutiny against these tyrants.

How much was added to the budget to employ IRS prosecutors? There were a huge number of IRS investigators/prosecutors who were going to be added. Was that to enforce Obamacare? When were those additional IRS employees funded?

But with much greater effect now. Threats of bureaucratic harassment leading to annihilation is what the Soros machine threatened the “conservative” (and liberal) media heads with, if they reported on Obama’s eligibility problem - starting in October of 2008 and then again in December of 2008. The media heads passed this threat on to their on-air personalities by saying that if they or any of their guests spoke credibly about the elgibility issue their career would be over and the lives of them and their loved ones were questionable.

We’re talking very, very serious crap going on. I believe there is more to the story, since Fox (for instance) could have reported the threats before the 2008 election and Obama could have been disqualified and thus unable to order FCC/FEC annihilation. But even this cover story - of threats of FCC/FEC annihilation - is serious enough that it demands further investigation.

They may be trying to distract from Benghazi, the Boston bombing, the SEAL Team 6 betrayal, Fast & Furious, eligibility, etc. But what is showing up now is the PROCESS by which these criminals have averted scrutiny and legal consequences for their nation-crushing agendas INCLUDING the illegal placement of a foreign enemy combatant in our White House so he can command the military and all the federal law enforcement and bureaucratic agencies.

2008 was literally a coup, and if people are made aware of the illegal tactics and threats used to accomplish that coup, the actions of the regime since that coup will be seen for what they truly are: attempts to destroy this nation and serve instead the interests of the world communists and Islamists who installed this foreign enemy combatant.

I am dead serious about this, and I hope as more and more evidence shows this to be true, the whistle-blowers and even the corrupt Congress will be forced to be serious about it as well.

Seems like those people in the military are the ones who Congress should be deposing. Dempsey has already shown his willingness to lie, and now that fact needs to be proven. I wonder how many of those people have been given a gag order, like Anthony Schaffer was when Able Danger was under investigation. At the very least it needs to become public knowledge if these people have been gagged or otherwise threatened.

What knowledgeable person needs to testify in contradiction to Dempsey? Somebody told Hicks it would take 2 hours to get them there; presumably that person knew it was the middle of the night and the 1 hour extra time would be to get things ready. How many people in the military would be able to blow holes in Dempsey’s testimony?

Exactly! That’s why the Cloward-Piven Plan to destroy the US from within contained 2 major legal planks: Motor Voter to destroy the integrity of elections, and Community Reinvestment Act to destroy the integrity of the financial system. Those are the only legal actions Barack Obama used his Saudi-funded and Ayers-supported Harvard law degree for. Obviously they consider it critical to the plan.

And it is. They can do anything they want if they can steal elections. The whole system of accountability is gone, and absolute power means absolute corruption.

We have GOT to take this seriously and do something about it, or there is no coming back for America.

Hopefully both Benghazi and eligibility. And Fast and Furious. And the Boston bombing. And the deaths of SEAL Team 6.

Put all that together and it’s one ugly picture.

Playing a musical instrument increases IQ. Of course, you don’t want people to be smart if you just want yes-men.

There was a study that recently found that Michelle’s “Move It” program hasn’t changed anybody’s exercise patterns so she has to try to force it. Sort of like how Mohammad started out thinking people would all accept his religion voluntarily and when they didn’t he said they would have to accept it by the sword then.

Of course stuff happens in the fog of war. But compare this, for instance, to Black Hawk Down, which was a situation gone bad and people having to improvise their response as they were able. The middle of a fire-fight, the middle of the night, you know there are a lot of armed people. Mogadishu is awake and made as a hornet’s nest already.

And THEN you decide you have to go get a “high value target” and send them into the city aflame with armed enemies who have been shooting at your people for 3.5 hours already.... with no radar to watch what is happening to them and with no fire-power. You send your whole frickin’ team in that condition, to make a supposed capture or kill of one terrorist amongst a whole city full of them.

At this press conference it was said that the report the families received gave no information on who this supposed “high value target” was or what evidence they had that he was even there. If they did an investigation into whether the operation itself was justifiable that’s pretty critical information they didn’t have any interest in documenting.

I agree with you that whoever made that decision should be sitting in the hot seat. Part of the families’ fury is that none of that stuff was sorted out. No reasons were given. It was like the investigation itself echoed Hillary Clinton: What difference at this point does it make?

It does make a difference. It makes a huge difference, whether leadership will do the Biblical David-and-Uriah routine where inconvenient soldiers are sent into situations where it is intended for them to be “accidentally” killed. Just like it makes a huge difference if the military and the entire system decides to abandon the principle of “Never leave a man behind.” Lotta guys depending on that promise of faithfulness, and if you take that away it is - as Joe Biden would say - a “big f-ing deal”.

Obama argued in one of the debates that we didn’t need a large defense budget for equipment because we have this new technology called drones. If we didn’t have ANYTHING that this commander could have sent in with firepower (after 3.5 hours of firefight already) then why would he even think we had the ability to kill/capture this supposed high-value target? Better to do surveillance, follow where this target went, and get him when we actually had some firepower to get him with.

They went right then because they were told they had a high-value target they HAD to get then. This is about like saying that we’ve got Al Capone and his whole mob in a shoot-out at their lair so we have to quick send in an unarmed Little Bo-Peep to capture him. It makes absolutely NO sense. Especially when you decide to send in every Little Bo-Peep you’ve got, all at once, unarmed, to the big bad, VERY ARMED mob of Al Capone.

I can’t argue with anything you said about Islam there.

If we can have Russia, Syria, and our own intel give so many screaming red flags about Tsarnaev, and we STILL gave him welfare allowing him to plan and execute this attack - and we can catch Bin Laden’s son Hamza red-handed at the finish line when the explosions happened and still remove his “known terrorist” classification and let him go back to Saudi Arabia after he got a figurative high-five from Michelle Obama herself at the hospital..... then we will never EVER be able to stop known terrorists.

Not because we don’t know about them or their plans, but because we aid and abet the very people we KNOW are conspiring or (on the part of Hamza) have ALREADY conspired to kill innocent Americans.

The Obama regime - including Michelle Obama herself - are on the side of the terrorists. They have helped them at every turn. When that photo of Michelle Obama visiting Alhamdi (Bin Laden’s son Hamza) was published in the Muslim world, do you think those people didn’t know who Michelle was visiting? This guy was given a coming-out party in Iran with the video available for viewing. He was groomed as the guy who would avenge his father’s death and take over the jihad operations. What does it mean when you have the Muslim media trumpeting the visit by Michelle Obama of the guy they all know (but won’t say out loud) is Bin Laden’s son - and photos of him grinning broadly? Why do you think he was grinning broadly? Could it be because Michelle Obama knew this guy had killed Americans and yet she figuratively spread her legs for him in view of the Muslim world, knowing full well who he was and that he had just planned and executed the killing of innocent Americans including an 8-year-old boy waiting for his dad to cross the finish line?

The Muslim world knows what they bought and paid for, and Michelle demonstrated loudly and clearly that Obama will always bow to his true owners. LIke a big old middle-finger salute to this entire nation, including you and all others who have served our country and those who died to try to preserve this country.

I feel your passion, and I have the same passion for freedom and truth. I hope and pray that those things will prevail and will do everything in my power to see them prevail.

We have night vision equipment as well. Why didn’t we have anybody there who could have laid down protective cover? They could have seen who was armed and where they were. It could have been an armed drone and the camera-man could have found where the armed elements were and had the drone fire specifically at those armed elements in the area. This was after 3.5 hours of firefights. We knew there were armed terrorists there, including a high-value target. Why send our people in totally defenseless, knowing that the enemy has the capability of night vision?

That’s not a tactical mistake. That is suicide. Except the person who ordered it was not who was sent into certain death so instead of suicide it’s actually more like murder.

Why the cover-up? Why the refusal to investigate and the lies to the parents?

The stuff that happened that night was beyond poor execution. Substitutions were made without the manifest reflecting the changes. Nobody found out who authorized the change or why. There was no radar. They didn’t look for the black box. Bodies were cremated against the wishes of the men and their families and excuses were made for that which are demonstrably false. An imam was allowed to gloat over the dead infidels, and the copies of the service where it happened were not given to the families, which is ALWAYS done.

This wasn’t just a one-night SNAFU. This was a concerted effort over 2 years, to hide and lie about what really happened.

It’s just like Benghazi (and Fast & Furious, for that matter). They are covering up a bunch of stuff and the question needs to be answered: Why?

We’ve got 3 “incidents” where deaths happened, and there has been a big cover-up. Once is an accident, twice is coincidence, but 3 times is deliberate. What the heck is going on with this lawless regime? (And that’s not even getting into Bin Laden’s son Hamza being figuratively high-fived by Michelle Obama in the hospital after he was tackled at the Boston marathon finish line and classified as a “known terrorist”. Nor is it getting into the eligibility issue, where we know that forgery, perjury, and fraud were committed not only by Obama but by LOTS of people within the system. So we’ve got more like FIVE cover-ups by this regime).

And there’s more too, regarding the Bin Laden revenge: the informant who allowed us to get Bin Laden has been thrown under the bus by the Obama regime - first by revealing who it was and then by leaving him to be captured and abused by the Taliban. It was like this regime did everything necessary for the Taliban to get revenge on EVERYBODY involved in that Bin Laden raid. Not just the SEALS. The informant too.

And that wasn’t the only casualty either. Special Ops Speaks pointed out that Obama’s immediate announcement and the information that was disclosed compromised our ability to exploit the intel we acquired and also allowed the enemy to know our methods of gaining intel so that they could circumvent those methods in the future. That is right out in the open for anybody to see. We don’t even have to make a conspiracy out of this; it’s just plain common knowledge.

We had an investigation over who accidentally disclosed that Valerie Plame was a CIA operative. Her husband, Joe Wilson, actually disclosed that publicly and got in no trouble for it. But we ended up with Scooter Libby jailed because of that, which cost no lives and put no operations in jeopardy.

Yet in this case, where the lives of our SEALS and our informants were at stake as well as our ongoing ability to conduct operations - and yet JOE BIDEN gave up operational details that allowed not only the SEALS but the doctor who cooperated with intel necessary to do the Bin Laden raid being targeted by AQ and/or the Taliban. And nothing has been done in response to the VICE PRESIDENT and PRESIDENT leaking the very details necessary to put these people and our counter-terrorism efforts at great risk.

With “friends” like the supposed CINC and his supposed VP, who needs enemies? It is without question that their actions put our guys and our anti-terrorism efforts at risk. Our men died in part because of the KNOWN public statements by these 2 guys. And the people who cooperated with us were deserted regarding the Bin Laden raid, just like Mubarak and Ghadaffi - our greatest allies in the war on terror in the Middle East - were deserted by this regime and replaced with the Muslim Brotherhood which is now releasing known terrorists, arming them, and instituting sharia including the persecution and executions of non-Muslims.

There are WAY too many patterns, and CONSISTENT patterns, by this Obama regime for it all to be explained by either incompetence or accident. WAY too much.

The US military has had to acknowledge when terrorist Afghanistanis have infiltrated and perpetrated attacks. For them to fail to check out who slipped in these other 7 Afghanistanis at the last minute suggests they were WILLFULLY BLIND, as opposed to other times when they were willing to say that the attack was perpetrated by infiltrators. That says to me that this attack was different.

Allowing the imam to gloat afterwards also says that this was different. I couldn’t hear real clearly but I thought they were saying that the imam was there because they hadn’t yet identified which bodies were the Afghanistanis, who had to be flown back to the US to be identified. So some of the coffins had American flags draped over them and some had AFghanistani flags draped over them, even though they said they had no way of knowing which bodies were Afghans. The one mom was incensed that her son may have come home to the US with an Afghan flag draping the coffin.

If they had investigated and found that the 7 Afghanistanis who went on that mission were part of the infiltration that killed our men, I wonder if they would have allowed an imam to gloat over the dead bodies. Being willfully blind about what really happened there may be central to the Muslims getting to have their gloat over the men who had allegedly killed Osama Bin Laden. The Afghanistanis who had been assigned to go on that flight would have still been around there, and SOMEBODY surely knew there was something screwy going on because those guys were still there when they were supposedly on the helo.

Something else. It was pitch-black. 2am. It wasn’t stated what kind of weapon hit the Chinook - whether it was a Manpad, a heat-seeking missile, RPG, etc. But the hit was deadly accurate in the pitch dark in the middle of the night.

I would like to know if there was any kind of tracking device on the 7 Afghanistanis who were substituted at the last minute.

The cover-up indicates a complicit military leadership. One of the moms said that she was appalled when a 4-star Admiral (Krogan? I couldn’t understand the name when it was given) told them stuff that was simply not true and nearly assaulted her when she mentioned the cover-up regarding Pat Tillman. The changing stories, the negligent investigation that didn’t question the Afghanistanis and didn’t “find” the black box, the ceremony with the imam that was hidden from the families (against routine), the cremations when they weren’t needed and lying about them being needed, the failure to even have radar tracking the movements of a transport vehicle carrying 25 of our best assets.... all this stuff says this was more than just a SNAFU. These protocols ALL had to be disabled in order for this whole thing to go down like it did.

It’s actually stunning, the parallels between this and Benghazi, on all three levels: advance preparations, during the event, and the coverup afterwards.

I just listened to the whole thing while washing dishes so I didn’t take notes but will say what I can remember, so you can get a basic gist. i didn’t hear some stuff because my laptop has bad speakers.

This was an area of known high concentration of terrorists who had been known to want to shoot down US aircraft. The Afghanistani military had to be informed of all of the specifics of any operation, in advance.

There had been a 3 1/2 hour firefight before these people were called in. It was said that there was a high-value target and they had to get him right then and there. At the last minute the 7 Saudis who had been assigned to the mission were changed out by some unspecified person; the manifest was not changed and in fact the military notified the original 7 AFghans’ families that they had been killed and only told them later, when the bodies were identified, that it was somebody else who had been killed. The investigation after the event did not identify who switched out these people; the Afghanistani military was not questioned by the investigation at all.

The US military had within the month before this event averaged over 800 special op events/month. There were 60 aircraft but at any point in time 20 were for combat operations, 20 were being maintained, and 20 were being used for training. So there were 20 available aircraft at an average of close to 30 operations/day.

They were sent out into a battle that had been raging for 3.5 hours in a transport plane that had last been updated in the mid-1980’s. They had no firepower and nobody to clear the way for them. The Chinook itself was not on radar and it took 10 minutes after the shoot-down to even figure out what helo had gone down. (With no “eye in the sky”, there is no footage from which to assess what had happened. They also claim to have not found the “black box”, which is actually orange and if I’m not mistaken has GPS so it can be found. They never “found” it, so there were no provisions made from the outset to allow for objective sources of information about what happened, and what they should have been able to find they didn’t.)

The report that the families were given said that the Chinook was shot down by shooters on the top of a building - who were supposedly there at 2am to “lay down crops”. I have no idea what that means but it sounds like a bunch of hooey. The reason for not sending in a drone and/or shooting down where the fire was coming from was because we need to “win the hearts and minds” of the people in this area of concentrated terrorists. But one of the dads had a letter from a Congress-critter who said he had been in a high-level meeting to talk about the causes and the real reason was that they didn’t know where the fire was coming from. That was the point at which that dad knew he was being lied to - because the stories changed.

Just a comment here. In the middle of a 3.5-hour firefight, with known, concentrated levels of terrorists including a high-value target - is there any better time to blow the whole place up with a drone attack? Obama is losing us a lot of allies because of his indiscriminate use of drone strikes but how could you get a more-justified situation for using a drone attack? Why instead send in 25 of the very best human resources you’ve got? I would REALLY like to know how many drone strikes Obama had authorized before this mission. IIRC, there were already concerns around then about Obama having a porn-like fascination with drone strikes and watching them over and over. I’d like to see some stats on the prevalance of drone strikes over Obama’s years.

The day before Biden disclosed that it was Team 6 who carried out the Bin Laden raid, top military (and Obama regime people too, IIRC) had met and said that not only Team 6 members but also their families needed to have extra protection because somebody in the Taliban might somehow suspect who was involved and target the families. It was stated how critical it was to keep the identities anonymous. And then the next day Joe Biden told the whole world. And yet a whole group of these guys were sent out with no protection, no documenting radar, with 7 anonymous Afghanistanis substituted at the last moment, in a mission custom-built for a drone attack.

After the attack the bodies were cremated - supposedly because they were burned so badly that they had to be identified by DNA and dental records. But the dad of one of the cremated victims had asked to see the autopsy and had been given the photos of the body - intact, no need to be cremated.

At the service at Bagram Air Base an imam was allowed to chant a standard chant saying that the enemies of Allah would be defeated and go to hell and that Islam has won. Families of the fallen are ALWAYS given a copy of the service but none of these families were given a copy. The mom who brought forward this video (which was a 10-minute redaction from a several-hour video that the military had provided, not showing the imam who had done this gloating curse over the dead bodies) said she was not comfortable sharing how she was eventually able to get this video in February this year (about 2 years after the fact).

I would have liked a chance to talk to the dad who sounded like he had a Boston accent. He made some comments I didn’t fully understand, and I think he knows a lot more detail about the specifics that don’t add up. It was also said that just before the press conference other families made contact with the dad who sort of headed up this effort, and one of those dads said he found out details that made him sick to his stomach.

“The requested document does not exist on this server”.

I wonder how I can see this.

I haven’t kept up with him but noted that there haven’t been posts about it any more, which I figure would be posted if he said more about it. I did hear the beginning of an interview he had with Rep Louie Gohmert and he mentioned that Gohmert was given the information that Beck had. Hardraade had mentioned that somebody from DHS had been asking around on a counter-terrorism site as to whether people believed Beck’s claims about Alhamdi being Bamza. As far as I know, Beck hasn’t come right out with the claim, and I suspect that somebody leaked the claim to beforeitsnews.com so that people would immediately disbelieve it and then it could never get legs if Beck brought it up.

But the members of Congress are a different story. They could make this a public issue by calling a press conference. They’re not doing that yet, and I’m wondering if they are trying to coordinate things with Benghazi, as well as possibly Fast & Furious and the findings of Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse. I actually hope so. I hope they are channeling the serious whistle-blowers into a course that can bear the necessary fruit and not just be blown off by most of Congress.

What do you mean?

Just one other thing I’ll add also. Larry Sellin overheard one of the 2012 R Presidential primary candidates explain that nobody will touch the eligibility issue because they know it goes WAY deeper than anybody is willing to delve. IOW, they know there is deep treason going on, but they are afraid of what will happen if they expose that fact. They know there are powerful players who have been able to get this level of deceit and lawlessness, and they may be afraid of what those players are capable of doing if anybody gets close to exposing them.

Mull that in your mind as you realize that we had Hamza the son of Osama Bin Laden tackled by bystanders and the Boston police, the FBI searched his apartment and took out a bunch of evidence, he was classified as a “known terrorist”..... and somebody single-handedly changed his classification, Michelle Obama visited him personally, and he was sent out of the country so nothing could be done with him.

Whistleblowers within the system (not sure whether FBI, CIA, or both) gave evidence of this to 10 members of Congress (including Louie Gohmert) and to Glenn Beck, who gave the information to all of the media companies saying the story needed to come from them. Reporters wrote up articles and were told by their editors that they were not allowed to publish those articles.

We caught Bin Laden’s son red-handed in the killings of Americans including an 8-year-old boy waiting for his Dad to cross the finish line, and Obama’s regime sent him along as if everything was fine and hid the truth from the public. The media all went along with it.

This is the regime that “lost” over 20,000 of Ghadaffi’s Manpads and refused to let anybody go help Tyrone Woods as he painted targets from the top of the Benghazi annex - Woods who was in the process of trying to figure out where those Manpads had gone. 20,000 Manpads is enough to take down a 747 every day for the next 54 years.

There is way, way more that I could say but I don’t have time right now. Suffice to say that Obama is a foreign enemy combatant in our White House, he has filled the system with his “players” and threatened anybody who is not one of his “players”. He and his owner, Soros, have always aligned themselves with world communists and world Islamists, and they are getting ever more careless about letting their alliances show to the world. Probably because they know the “credible” media (including “conservatives”) will call crazy anybody who connects the dots.

Like I said, we are in a very, very serious situation, and the very existence of this nation is at stake. Glenn Beck has said that loudly and clearly, although he can’t give the details to pull it all together because then he would be considered a “crazy conspiracist”.

The good news is that people within the system are beginning to see the danger - I think they are probably angered by the stark realization of Obama’s alliance with, and cover-up for, Bin Laden’s son Hamza - and are beginning to risk their careers and lives to reveal what’s going on.