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E.V. Sales Are Slowing. Tesla’s Are Slumping.

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2024/4/16/tesla-to-lay-off-more-than-10-percent-of-staff-worldwide-amid-falling-sales

I know you LOVE Tesla and Musk, but...

Face reality and stop being in DENIAL.

It's not me refusing to understand the FACTS. It's YOU refusing to face the FACTS. The facts don't match your wishes or desires.

When it comes to AI, I'm pretty sure I understand the technology a lot better than you, since I was in the computer/programming/data analysis/systems design industry and I even worked on some of that. Not in the industry any more, but, I do know what the heck it's about much better than you, and I still say it's over-hyped. Even so, I've been using "AI" for a long time now, but, it's not as intelligent as the hype would make people believe.

Get over yourself and start facing reality in the EV market and in the technology sector.

Democrats will brand him a racist..

for supporting a racist 1st amendment...

and a racist American Constitution...

in a country founded by racists...

Any state where illegals voted, and whee that can be proved...

should have their electoral votes negated. IOW, all their votes should be declared illegal, since it would be impossible to extract those illegal votes from the rest of the votes.

The Biden administration has requested that the inscription on the Statue of Liberty be amended, to include his visionary policy:

Current:

Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

Proposed changes...

Send me your criminals, your mentally deranged, your rapists, your murderers, your terrorists, the grudge-holders, your domestic abusers, your anti-establishment mindless crazies, your idiots, your sociopaths, your psychopaths, your lazy, your dumbasses, your people who have destruction of the U.S. foremost on their minds, etc.

AI software, over-the-air updates, etc.

Stop with the AI nonsense. Just about every vehicle made today that has connectivity via ports, have AI, and have had AI since AI was made available through the internet, with sites such as Google and Bing/Microsoft and others. I've had AI through my smartphone for more than a year, and I connect that to my Lexus interface and I've used it many times the last year.

AI within the on-board screen on any vehicle, is overkill and unnecessary. Just use AI through smartphones and you're set. In fact, many new cars (EVs and otherwise) are opting for AI and other apps through smartphone connections. My Samsung Galaxy s24 ultra has everything I need to make my car quite intelligent.

Besides, AI is highly overrated, and mostly unneeded.

When it comes to the niceties inside EVs, most are being designed with high quality materials and great/roomy interiors (except for the lower sized and low priced entries). Many of the new vehicles are designed with higher range than any Tesla vehicle, but I still would not fall for any of them, since their biggest negative is still that, they're still EVs.

Neocon = Military Industrial Complex.

I know, and you know, that that's not what you were after with the use of "neocon".

If your definition of neocon were to be correct (which it isn't), then, it's something that exists in China and Russia and most developed countries with military and industrial complexes; iow, nothing new and nothing wrong.

The question should be reversed, and Israelis should be asked if NOT RESPONDING to the Iran attacks would keep them safe, and would Iran be emboldened to do it again if Israel doesn’t respond.

And, “neocons” has nothing to do with the question. Somebody has a fetish for the word ‘neocon’.

Well, who woulda thunk it.

Hillary finally made it to the presidency, and Barack extended his presidency to 3 terms.

Either way, they continue to destroy the country, even if they’re not officially ‘presidenting’.

Prince Harry: yet another alien not wanted in the U.S. Send him back. Only positive is that, we’re not paying for all his needs,like we’re doing for the illegal border crossers.

Name one.

At this point, just about every luxury brand of Ev is equal or better than Teslas. The European makes have very good technology inside,and when it comes to battery-range and drive quality, they are equal of better than Teslas.

Tesla has the name recognition, because it was 'first' to market with a somewhat believable EV and EV quality and good tech. But, there are plenty of very good alternatives on the market now, and many of them are about the same price and even lower-priced.

I have Lexus SUV and when I take it to the dealer for maintenance, I'm tempted by their EV SUV version of my RX-350. Nice vehicle, but then, I realize that it's still an EV, so, no sale. They've come out with a hybrid, but then, why even bother since most of the driving will be with gasoline, so even that makes no sense. Go check out the Lexus EVs, which to me look nicer than Teslas and roomier and with very good tech inside, with prices that in some cases are lower than Teslas.

And, btw, Lexus/Toyota have been around a lot longer than Tesla, so support is more widespread and more readily available.

Let's revisit this topic in 5 years and see how it plays out.

No need to wait that long.

This is the determining year. Sales of EVs are tanking, with the possible exception of Tesla, but even Tesla is seeing a slowdown in EV sales.

No major car company can continue suffering losses like Ford and GM have. They are cutting back on EV production and may even terminate them in the next year or two. Mercedes may have made a huge mistake with going exclusively with electric vehicles, but then, because of the high prices of petro-fuels in Europe, they may have a chance, but, once petro-fuels become less expensive, EVs in Europe will take a hit there.

SEeing is believing and what I saw in new dealers stockpiles of EV, made me see that, EVs are a loser product.

EVs have been a bad idea from the start, with very limited range,and very slow recharge times, and high initial prices, and very high prices for replacement batteries (when needed) and poor performance in cold weather and hot weather environments.

That you have ICE vehicles along with EVs, says a lot about EVs. You can't trust EVs for everyday usage, and you are hedging your bets. Not everybody can afford to buy and maintain both kinds of vehicles, which is the reason that EVs will NEVER replace ICE vehicles in the marketplace and will never achieve more than 20% of the market (if that).
Nice try, but, EVs are still a bad idea for commonplace use.

Why are all these monsters so hard to find, much less capture. They keep being shy and won’t cooperate.

It’s not like we humans mean them harm. Maybe we can offer them sanctuary and monetary support and free housing and medical care? Bribing them is sure to get them to come out and say hello.

I can’t believe trumps lawyers allowed two lawyers on the jury. His lawyers are not the best.

Trump's lawyers may be playing dumb. They could be preparing for an appeal on grounds of a biased jury and a biased judge and biased prosecutors, all of which are true. The case may not even proceed to the end, because it could be tossed out on grounds of biases, and on grounds of being a farcical case.

Thus far, the jurors chosen appear to be ultra-liberals, who are lying about not holding any Trump opinions, or get their ‘news’ from ultra-liberal media organizations, or are completely in cahoots with the ‘judge’ and prosecutors in the case.

Simply put, they are not there to be fair to Trump and are there to make sure Trump gets convicted on a total lie of a case.

Some posts need to be pulled instantly... when they serve no purpose or are just click-bait.

Congress has been bringing in presidents of Universities to question them on anti-Israel/anti-Jew hateful language.

NPR is overdue to be questioned on their political bias, where the opinions of republicans/conservatives are not represented or allowed. NPR is a government supported
‘news’ outlet. Let’s get them in front of congress, immediately.

Elon will prevail. He has the better product

He had the better product, before all the other car makers got involved with making their own EVs. There are others that have the same quality or better by now, with better technology inside.

Either way, people are not buying and the early hype for EVs has faded.

You have a lack of understanding of Elon Musk's thinking. His mission was to push the world into EVs.

So, you have a better understanding of MUsk's thinking than he does?

Musk may have wanted to build EVs, but, he's finding out that, there is huge resistance in the marketplace to them. People don't want them, and a good percentage of those that bought into the initial hype have had second thoughts, not only for Tesla vehicles, but for the whole idea of EVs, no matter the maker.

Musk/Tesla are having to rethink their company, including the EVs and the battery division. No matter how much anyone tries to spin what Musk/Tesla are doing, the fact remains that, EVs are not changing people's minds about going to EVs in place of ICE vehicles.

You can spin all you want about what Musk had in mind originally, but, we're talking about the present day reality of EVs not making it in the marketplace.

Robo-cars may become reality in the future, but for now, people don't trust them to do the driving for them, and what's available now are for very short-distance minimized areas. Believe me, I wanted the self-driving vehicles to come to fruition, as I made a big stink about them even her on FR, but, it's been disappointing up to now.

Whatever else Musk does, reality is that EVs have been huge disappointments and people are either not buying or returning them. I know, I've see new dealer lots with new EVs not selling and a huge number of returned EVs or traded in EVs. The hot thing now is hybrid vehicles, but still, people prefer strictly ICE vehicles.

Your arguments are mostly about Musk and his vision, but, he's facing the reality that EVs are not what people are looking for. Tesla vehicles may remain the niche car in the market, but EVs in general are kaput.

Coincidentally, I was just wondering what was George Clooney’s position on vaccinations.

George cLOONY is a democrat, and like all democrats, he thinks he knows better than anyone whats best for you.

But, like most people that live in that Hollywood bubble, he's completely ignorant about all the negative side effects caused by the Covid vaccines, including the many deaths attributed to it. Loony is still living in the 2020 early Covid days.

It was not Musk's intention to remain in the market selling cars. The guy is playing chess while you and others play checkers (or tic-tac-toe).

Not his intention? That's a very poor way to start a business. The mission statement most certainly always includes what the "leader' or founder intents to do with his business, in the long term. Any founder that states a goal of getting out or selling the business, undermines the whole company, and the stock is sure to take big hits.

Playing chess? You have no idea what chess involves, and as a chess player myself, who has a son being a master in the game, I'm pretty sure that Musk's game plan did not include selling or just being an outside observer of 'his baby'. Something as complicated as staring a business and getting it to thrive, is as challenging as being a chess-master. Once you reach a high-level playing field, you don't call it quits.

EVs were around before ICE vehicles. and there was/is a big reason why they didn't take off. Musk thought he had a better idea about how to make EVs work for the masses, but, that is a mission far too distant, and perhaps never to happen.

AI robots? Perhaps he can make it happen, but then, there are others in that field, and some that are more advanced than what Musk has produced so far. But, like I said before, the more the merrier and with more competition, the world can only benefit.

There are things that Tesla and other EV makers are not telling the buying customers, but, seeing the losses and retooling that's happening all over the EV industry, things are not looking good for EVs overall.

But, keep your chin up and hope for the best, but I would be very skeptical right now about EVs.