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Report: Treason charges ruled out
NBC, MSNBC AND NEWS SERVICES ^ | Dec. 19 | NBC News’ Pete Williams, MSNBC’s Jonathan Dube and Reuters contributed to this report.

Posted on 12/20/2001 1:34:03 AM PST by mdittmar

Prosecutors are preparing to charge American Taliban John Walker Lindh with violating a recently passed federal law that makes it a crime to provide support to terrorists, U.S. officials told NBC News’ Pete Williams. The Justice Department has apparently ruled out charging him with treason, given the demanding legal standard set by the Constitution and the difficulty of finding witnesses from the Taliban who would testify against Walker.

INSTEAD, WALKER is to be charged with providing material support to a terrorist organization. The maximum penalty for a conviction on that charge is life in prison, under the just-passed USA Patriot Act, “if death resulted from the offense.” By contrast, the maximum penalty for treason is death.

The 20-year-old Californian was captured earlier this month after a prison uprising during which CIA agent Mike Spann was killed by Taliban fighters.

Officials told NBC News that Walker could be formally charged within the next few days.

WALKER SPEAKS

On Tuesday evening, CNN broadcast excerpts of an interview with Walker in which he said he did not participate in the uprising, but was in a basement where many of his comrades were killed.

“I was in the basement the whole time,” Walker said in the interview, taped Dec. 2. “I didn’t see what was going on. I just heard.”

He called the uprising “a mistake of a handful of people” and said, “This is against what we had agreed upon, and this is against Islam. It is a major sin to break a contract, especially in military situations.”

Asked if the Taliban’s cause was the right one, he said, “Definitely.”

TREASON TOUGH TO PROVE

Some United States officials favor charging Walker, who goes by his mother’s last name, in a military court-martial, not a civilian court. But legal scholars say that would not be a good fit.

Gene Fidell, a military law expert, said a court-martial is only for a member of the U.S. military or someone who has committed a war crime.

“Apparently there’s no indication Mr. Walker committed what are known as ‘war crimes,’” Fidell said.

As for treason, proving that charge against an American citizen like Walker is particularly difficult because the Constitution requires either two eye witnesses to testify or Walker to confess in court that he fought against the United States.

The last person convicted of treason was Tomoya Kawakita, a Japanese-American sentenced to death in 1952 for tormenting American prisoners of war during World War II.

For now, Walker is in military custody on a Navy ship, and prosecutors have not yet decided where in the United States to take him to face charges.

“He is being given all his rights, which are far more than the rights the Taliban or the al Qaida extended to anybody living there,” said White House spokesman Ari Fleischer.

Administration officials say the president is keeping close tabs on the case.

WALKER DENIED LAWYER

The White House said Wednesday the U.S. denial of a lawyer for Walker was appropriate because he is a “battlefield detainee” governed by the Geneva Convention.

Walker’s fate has been a growing side story to America’s war in Afghanistan, with a debate breaking out over how he is to be treated after leaving his home country to join up with the Taliban.

Some legal experts questioned Walker’s treatment, insisting he was entitled to a lawyer under the U.S. Constitution.

His family has demanded he be allowed to see an attorney. His parents, Frank Lindh and Marilyn Walker, have attempted to portray their son, who converted to Islam at the age of 16, as a misguided idealist rather than a hard-core Muslim extremist.

“He is being treated as someone who fought against the United States in an armed conflict, and that’s why he is classified properly as a battlefield detainee, and he’s being treated well,” said Fleischer.

Walker has told U.S. authorities he was a member of al-Qaida, the militant network led by Osama bin Laden that Bush blames for the Sept. 11 attacks, Pentagon officials said.


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This will not go over to well,will it.
1 posted on 12/20/2001 1:34:03 AM PST by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar
His life isn't worth a pack of cigarettes, but maybe his derrier will be while it's still around...

Sorry to toss that lovely thought out so early, but like you, I ain't happy about this.

2 posted on 12/20/2001 1:44:49 AM PST by Caipirabob
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To: mdittmar
It's Thursday am, and as far as I can tell, NBC's Pete Williams is still the only person reporting this story.

Williams was a loyal and long time aide to Dick Cheney, and former spokesman for the State Dept.

His sources have to be impeccable, but I wonder.

If it's a leak to reward Williams, man, it's pretty exciting...I mean, he's still the only one reporting it, after about 10-12 hours? No one else is confirming it, that I can find.

Or is Williams doing the administration a favor by putting this story out as some kind of trial balloon?

CNN is still reporting "no decision made yet".

4 posted on 12/20/2001 1:47:28 AM PST by YaYa123
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To: alien2
"Go ahead freepers. Cheer! That's your man Bush. That's your hero. He's your buddy. By the way, though, if you ever get the chance, ask him to define terrorist."

Seems to me that it was a DEMOCRAPIC SENATOR that called Walker a possibly "Misguided youth!! Why dont ya just shut up! Your buddy sold out America to the Communist Chinese for Campaign $$$!!!!

5 posted on 12/20/2001 1:51:00 AM PST by dokmad
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To: alien2
K alien why don't you give us your definition of a terrorist first. Then we will contact Mr. Bush and see what his is.
6 posted on 12/20/2001 1:52:10 AM PST by DooDahhhh
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To: alien2
Go ahead freepers. Cheer! That's your man Bush. That's your hero. He's your buddy. By the way, though, if you ever get the chance, ask him to define terrorist.

I'm sorry, what would you have the President do?
7 posted on 12/20/2001 1:53:15 AM PST by wasp69
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To: alien2
I don't think this is the last word DOJ clintoon hold overs leaking, I will wait to see what they do, this trial balloon will not poll well.
8 posted on 12/20/2001 1:54:41 AM PST by boomop1
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To: wasp69
Charge this jerk with TREASON.He fought against the United States of America.He is guilty of being a traitor.Semantics at work here. WRONG!
10 posted on 12/20/2001 1:58:03 AM PST by Disgusted in Texas
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To: alien2
"I don't generally say cruel things to people, but I'm making an exception this time.

You are an idiot."

I asked you to shut up, but don't recall any name calling. I'll just consider the source and respect the free republics request for no personal attacks! enough said...

11 posted on 12/20/2001 2:00:51 AM PST by dokmad
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To: mdittmar
This will be a "read my lips" consequence for W, if he allows this scum to skate.
13 posted on 12/20/2001 2:10:08 AM PST by boomop1
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To: mdittmar
This will not go over to well,will it.

Probably not .. but it's been on the cards since day 1.

There's been a lot of discussion here and elsewhere of the difficulties under the US Constitution of getting a treason charge to stick.

It all comes down to what your Constitution actually says, rather than what you wish it said.

My personal feeling is that your talibunny is, in fact, a traitor .. but it would be nearly impossible to get a conviction.

(I should also say that our tallibunnies could never be charged with treason .. but that there should be a charge of terminal stupidity levied against them.)

None of them were ever likely to be convicted of treason because of the unique nature of this conflict.

Regards

Sadim

14 posted on 12/20/2001 2:15:34 AM PST by sadimgnik
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To: Disgusted in Texas;all
The Justice Department has apparently ruled out charging him with treason, given the demanding legal standard set by the Constitution and the difficulty of finding witnesses from the Taliban who would testify against Walker.

If ever a Freep was in order this is it.

DOJ

15 posted on 12/20/2001 2:16:10 AM PST by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar
The Justice Department has apparently ruled out charging him with treason, given the demanding legal standard set by the Constitution and the difficulty of finding witnesses from the Taliban who would testify against Walker.

To which mdittmar says

If ever a Freep was in order this is it.

So, you want a Freep AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES?

Now there's a first! :-)

Regards

Sadim

17 posted on 12/20/2001 2:20:17 AM PST by sadimgnik
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To: alien2
#7 I'm not going to give you a list, first of all because it's too long and second you really don't care.

Doesn't have to be a list, doesn't really have to be specific. Just tell me what you think the President should do.
18 posted on 12/20/2001 2:20:49 AM PST by wasp69
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To: alien2
"But of course, if what I believe seems preposterous to you and you believe otherwise, then feel free to argue giving your evidence for anything to the contrary. (And if you're just going to call me names, then don't waste my time.)"
19 posted on 12/20/2001 2:21:28 AM PST by John W
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To: sadimgnik
The Constitution says,

Article III

Section 3.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

Two Al quida dirtbags will turn on him!

Hang him high!!

20 posted on 12/20/2001 2:27:03 AM PST by mdittmar
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