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Eclipse 500 Private Jet (<$1 Million Pricetag)
Eclipse Aviation ^ | 11/15/01 | Eclipse Aviation

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:47 PM PST by NittanyLion

Eclipse Aviation is creating a luxurious six-place, twin-turbofan aircraft that costs less than most used turbo-props. Powered by an extraordinary innovation from Williams International, the Eclipse 500 jet will revolutionize how - and what - people fly.

The Eclipse 500 cruises at a brisk 355 kts, has a generous 1,300 nautical mile range (NBAA IFR, 4 occupants) and a 41,000 foot ceiling.

It is more economical to own and operate than most of today's single engine pistons and all multi-engine pistons and turboprops. The direct operating costs of an Eclipse 500 add up to just $.56 a mile. That's one fourth the operating cost of a King Air and half that of a Baron. For those who don't want to pilot themselves, we anticipate that aircraft charter, complete with professional pilot, will typically be competitive with a full-fare airline ticket.

The Eclipse 500 is constructed principally of aircraft aluminum. It is built using advanced, high volume manufacturing techniques, with an all glass cockpit, and avionics and operating systems derived from the computer industry. The Eclipse 500 is delivered with full IFR capabilities, including autoflight systems.

Price for the Eclipse 500 jet is $837,500 in June 2000 economics.


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Sean Hannity was talking about this jet with Mary Schiavo yesterday on his radio show. They both seemed to have a pretty high opinion of its performance, and with a price of around $1,000,000 Hannity thinks it will change the industry.

Any thoughts?

1 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:47 PM PST by NittanyLion
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They both seemed to have a pretty high opinion of its performance, and with a price of around $1,000,000 Hannity thinks it will change the industry.

Absolutely...I put my order in already :-)

2 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:48 PM PST by krb
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I've been watching the Eclipse 500's development closely. Of the new generation jets on the drawing board, this one holds the most promise. But, as always, I will believe it when I am flying one.
3 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:48 PM PST by Restore
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Personally, I'd rather fly a Super Cub, Citabria, Tri-Pacer or a Rocket. Even a 172.

$1,000,000 and it costs less to own and operate than a single engine piston? Not in my book. Oh, they mean a comparable plane ... Doubt I'll see one at the FBO.

4 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:49 PM PST by Blueflag
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Any thoughts?

What stage of development is it in and what production volume is assumed? While that price may cover the recurring costs, estimated "profit", etc. I have a hard time believing it realistically covers the non-recurring costs. Certification can be a real bear, particularly on a high performance aircraft.

5 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:49 PM PST by LTCJ
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I was stunned to hear of this yesterday (I'm obviously not an expert on aviation, but even so). IMO, the most amazing part is that 5 friends could cough up $200K apiece and share the jet.

Now they just need to work on one that can take off and land vertically, without generating too much heat. That way I can land that sucker in my driveway and use it for my commute to work. *wink*

6 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:49 PM PST by NittanyLion
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I don't know. It's really tight on the inside for $1M. 50 inch cabin height. Check out their baggage 'compartment'

Projectile luggage ...

7 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:50 PM PST by Blueflag
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I like to see fabric on the exterior of my aircraft. I'll leave this one to you jet jockeys.

I'll bet it's not even certified for aerobatics or inverted flight. How much fun is that for $1M? ;-) see ya.

8 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:51 PM PST by Blueflag
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Detailed website, except their news release database "is being updated". Makes them sound like a .com vaporware website...

The CEO claims they got an order for 1000 jets in September, I'd be curious to know who ordered them.

9 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:51 PM PST by Ted
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Sounds good. Do you know any Arab pilots I could hire? :-)

What specifically is the inovation by Williams which makes this possible?

10 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:51 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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Their website is interesting. Their boss has brains, most of their top execs are high-time pilots. They've got fantastic financing.
Looks very promising to me, and they are cutting metal now.
If that engine is as good as they think, they've got a winner.
11 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:51 PM PST by KirklandJunction
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Any pictures?
12 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:51 PM PST by VietVet
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Any pictures?

Yep. They're located here. (Too many to post them all at FR)

13 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:52 PM PST by NittanyLion
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What stage of development is it in and what production volume is assumed?

"Conforming" production design finalization is underway, and first metal has been cut. Production volume is expected to be very high. (One of founders is an ex-CEO of Ford.)

While that price may cover the recurring costs, estimated "profit", etc. I have a hard time believing it realistically covers the non-recurring costs.

Such information has not been made public.

Certification can be a real bear, particularly on a high performance aircraft.

Both Eclipse and the Feds are taking a very novel approach on certification. The FAA has been monitoring and making suggestions throughout the 500's development. Like the 777, the entire aircraft has been designed on computers and the complete certifification specs will be delivered on computer disc.

The first five airplanes (there will be no prototypes) will serve as the "proof of performance" ships, saving Eclipse years and millions in certification.

14 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:52 PM PST by Restore
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$837,500.00... and the tail stays on?

Sounds like a bargain.

15 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:52 PM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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The Eclipse 500 is constructed principally of aircraft aluminum.

Considering this is an aircraft, this is a good thing. < /sarcasm >

Is it just me, or is the above statement too obvious? Why even mention it?

16 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:52 PM PST by ShadowAce
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The innovation from Williams is a powerful jet engine that weighs eighty pounds.
17 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:52 PM PST by CFIIIMEIATP737
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Many "new generation" aircraft manufacturers are looking at composite airframes.
18 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:52 PM PST by Restore
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Sounds good. Do you know any Arab pilots I could hire? :-)

My first thought when I heard about this was to wonder what, if any, effects the 9/11 atrocity will have on this company.

What specifically is the inovation by Williams which makes this possible?

I'm no expert, so I'll give it to you in this firm's words. Maybe some of FR's resident aviation experts could provide some verification:

The Eclipse 500 jet is powered by the super-compact and super-efficient EJ22, a breakthrough innovation designed and manufactured exclusively for Eclipse by world-renowned Williams International. The EJ22 engine is a special, commercial version of the FJX-2 engine Williams demonstrated under a $100 million cost-sharing program with NASA, as part of NASA's General Aviation Propulsion (GAP) program. Weighing approximately 85 lbs, and delivering over 770 lbs. of thrust, the engine provides a higher thrust-to-weight ratio than any commercial turbofan ever produced. It is also the smallest, quietest and lightest commercial aircraft engine, and makes feasible a whole new class of twinjet light aircraft.

19 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:52 PM PST by NittanyLion
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My first thought when I heard about this was to wonder what, if any, effects the 9/11 atrocity will have on this company.

Would you prefer to fly your own jet, or take an airliner?

20 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:52 PM PST by Restore
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