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Danish Scientist Claims Kyoto Treaty Useless
VOA News ^ | 1 Oct 2001 12:46 UTC | Peter Heinlein

Posted on 10/07/2001 3:11:59 AM PDT by anymouse


Professor Bjorn Lomborg

The earth's environment is steadily improving. Global warming is nothing much to worry about. The real danger is the Kyoto Treaty, which will cost far too much and do almost no good. These are the ideas of a Danish professor and former Greenpeace activist who has written a book titled, "The Skeptical Environmentalist." The book, which has recently been published in English, is causing outrage in the environmental community.

His fans call Bjorn Lomborg an outstanding representative of a "new breed of scientists - mathematically-skilled and computer-adept." One favorable review predicts his new book will overturn our most basic assumptions about the world's environment.

But to his detractors he is not a scientist at all, but a fraud: a statistics professor who they claim makes selective use of statistics to support a right-wing, anti-environment agenda.

Sitting in his Copenhagen apartment dressed in jeans and a T-shirt, the blond, 36 year old backpacker hardly seems like the same Bjorn Lomborg who is challenging the very foundations of the green movement. He explains that he started out as an environmental activist. "I'm an old Greenpeace, left-wing kind of guy and thought basically, yes, things are getting worse and worse," he said. "Then I read an interview with Julian Simon, [the late] American economist, that tells us things are actually getting better and better, contrary to common knowledge. I thought, No, it can't be true. But he said 'Go check it yourself,' ... so I'll have to get his book, to see that it was probably wrong. And it was sufficiently good, his book, and it looked sufficiently substantiated that it would probably be fun to debunk. So I got some of my best students together and we did a study course in the fall of '97.... We wanted to show, you know, this is entirely wrong, this is right-wing American propaganda. As it turned out over the next couple months, we were getting debunked for the most part."

Professor Lomborg says the project convinced him that environmental groups, the so-called greens, are exaggerating their claims of global environmental gloom and doom.

But he says those exaggerations and sometimes, he adds, even outright falsehoods, often become part of conventional wisdom, accepted by a majority of people because he says green groups seem to enjoy more credibility than governments or business lobbies. "Everybody knows businesses, when they say 'don't worry about the environment,' it may be true, but they might also have a good reasons for saying it, profit reasons, ulterior motives," said Bjorn Lomborg. "So we're skeptical. But we're not in the same way skeptical of green groups, but they are also lobby groups. They also have an agenda."

One of Professor Lomborg's favorite targets is the Kyoto Treaty on global warming.

A host of recent studies predict catastrophic consequences for the environment from a rise in global temperatures. The United Nations Panel on Climate Change, backed by 3,000 scientists, has thrown its full weight behind the argument that global warming is happening faster than expected, and that ratification of the Kyoto Protocol is urgent.

Professor Lomborg concedes that global warming is real, but calls the Kyoto Treaty a monumental waste of money. "Basically, Kyoto will do very little to change global warming," he said. "On the other hand, Kyoto will be incredibly expensive. It will cost anywhere from $150-350 billion a year, that's a lot of money when compared to the total global aid of about $50 billion a year. So the idea is, just for one year of Kyoto, we could give clean drinking water and sanitation to every single human being on earth. This would avoid 2 million deaths a year, and help half a billion people from not getting seriously ill each year."

That argument has sparked a furious outcry from environmentalists. Klaus Heinberg, a professor of environmental sciences at Denmark's Roskilde University, accuses Professor Lomborg of twisting facts and manipulating statistics. "His main argument is that we can use the money we earned through industrialism to repair all the bad things going on," he said. "That kind of argument is dangerous. He made these weird comparisons that normal people make in fun, like 'if all children in Europe stopped eating ice cream, then we would have enough money for eliminating diseases in Africa.' He uses that kind of argument seriously, and he does that in the Climate and Kyoto connection."

Professor Lomborg denies being a supporter of U.S. President George Bush, and says he is not happy that his conclusions will undoubtedly be used for political ends.

President Bush announced in March that Washington was abandoning the Kyoto agreement, saying it would place unfair burdens on the U.S. economy.

Professor Lomborg says it is a scientist's duty to put out the information, regardless of the political consequences. "If we start thinking, we can't say this because I'm gonna help somebody, for instance Bush, somebody I might not like, so I should keep it back, then I become a small politician instead of being a scientist," said Professor Lomborg. "So in that respect, I say it's an occupational hazard of being a scientist that you sometimes end up supporting what you in your own personal, political views, you would think of as the wrong people."

Professor Lomborg says he expected a hostile response from green groups to his claim that, in fact, the environment is getting better and better. He says for that reason, he has been very careful to use only statistics from what he says are respected sources.

And what does he say might be a better answer to global warming than the Kyoto Treaty? Investing in research into renewable energy sources. That, he says, is the long-term solution. As solar energy becomes economical, the level of the carbon dioxide emissions that cause warming should decline sharply.


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Can't believe no one posted this before on FR.

Looks like a Dane is bucking liberal eco-fascism and pointing out that 'Global Warming' is a hoax.

1 posted on 10/07/2001 3:11:59 AM PDT by anymouse
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To: BuffyT
ping.
2 posted on 10/07/2001 3:12:30 AM PDT by anymouse
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To: anymouse
Kyoto Treaty
Kyoto Protocol
Kyoto
Kyoto connection
Kyoto agreement

The article referenced all of the above but do you know which is the correct name?

3 posted on 10/07/2001 4:27:44 AM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: MosesKnows
The article referenced all of the above but do you know which is the correct name?

believe me, the ecoterrorists also have their Kyoto army. Greenpeace has even a 80 mm gun on one of their boats. Talk about eco-lover-pacifists.

4 posted on 10/07/2001 4:35:02 AM PDT by lavaroise
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I wonder if this is the same guy that was written up in the Arts & Leisure section of the Wall Street Journal Friday ...
5 posted on 10/07/2001 5:07:14 AM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: anymouse
If the resources devoted to Kyoto were used to pay off third world debt, it would take only about 3 years. This debt is one of things the environmentalists complain about. The Kyoto Treaty will be a huge waste of money.
6 posted on 10/07/2001 5:09:36 AM PDT by Number_Cruncher
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To: anymouse
"Then I read an interview with Julian Simon - - - that tells us things are actually getting better and better - - . I thought, No, it can't be true. ... so I'll have to get his book, it would probably be fun to debunk.

Professor Lomborg denies being a supporter of U.S. President George Bush, and says he is not happy that his conclusions will undoubtedly be used for political ends."

But would he have been "unhappy" if he had in fact been able to "debunk" Simon's book and his conclusions had been used for "political ends" by the Greens? I wager it is not politics he dislikes, but the side he finds himself helping.

7 posted on 10/07/2001 5:24:50 AM PDT by FairWitness
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But to his detractors he is not a scientist at all, but a fraud: a statistics professor who they claim makes selective use of statistics to support a right-wing, anti-environment agenda.

ROTFL.....the Kyoto pushers have taken the selective use of statistics to a new high. Any scientist who pushes global warming is a liar, plain and simple.

8 posted on 10/07/2001 5:28:47 AM PDT by Always Right
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"Then I read an interview with Julian Simon, [the late] American economist, that tells us things are actually getting better and better, contrary to common knowledge. I thought, No, it can't be true. But he said 'Go check it yourself,' ... so I'll have to get his book, to see that it was probably wrong. And it was sufficiently good, his book, and it looked sufficiently substantiated that it would probably be fun to debunk. So I got some of my best students together and we did a study course in the fall of '97.... We wanted to show, you know, this is entirely wrong, this is right-wing American propaganda. As it turned out over the next couple months, we were getting debunked for the most part."

The book he is referring to is "The Ultimate Resourse" (now out in a second edition) by the late Julian Simon. It is an amazing reference book to refeute any and all of the environmentalist's arguments. If you don't have the book, please get it. However, it is a very dry read, much like a testbook, which is really is.

Julian Simon is the man who won the famous bet with enviro-wacko Paul Erlich (of "Population Bomb"). Simon offered Ehrlich a bet centered on the market price of metals. Ehrlich would pick a quantity of any five metals he liked worth $1,000 in 1980. If the 1990 value of the metals, after adjusting for inflation, was more than $1,000 (i.e. the metals became more scarce), Ehrlich would win. If, however, the value of the metals after inflation was less than $1,000 (i.e. the metals became less scare), Simon would win. The loser would mail the winner a check for the change in price. Ehrlich agreed to the bet and chose copper, chrome, nickel, tin and tungsten.

By 1990, all five metal were below their real price level in 1970. Ehrlich lost the bet and sent Simon a check for $576.07. Prices of the metals chosen fell so much that Simon would have won the bet even if the prices hadn't been adjusted for inflation. (from http://www.overpopulation.com/faq/People/julian_simon.html)

9 posted on 10/07/2001 5:29:38 AM PDT by TomB
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This guy is not conservative, but something more interesting. A typical European lefty who happened to take facts seriously and actually changed his views based on them. The Economist had a great profile on him.
10 posted on 10/07/2001 6:29:45 AM PDT by mrjeff
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That is a very good point. He still may be a "leftist", or believe things that we find offensive. But at least he has the intellectual honsety to admit that Simon's book is pretty much irrefutable. Many on the left have tried, but all they've been able to do is attack Simon personally, i.e. claim he has connections with big oil, etc. The facts from Simon book remain unchallenged.
11 posted on 10/07/2001 7:39:50 AM PDT by TomB
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To: anymouse
Actually, he didn't say global warming was a hoax. He said global warming is real, but the Kyoto treaty is worthless in fighting the warming trend, also excessively expensive.
12 posted on 10/07/2001 7:56:43 AM PDT by realpatriot71
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To: anymouse
Well, you live very close to me, and so you know like I do that this has been our coolest Sept. and Oct. on record! Even my kids noticed it, telling me It has NEVER been this cool here in Sept. Poor Al Gore, he really believed that Globull Warming stuff! Can't he ever get anything right? NO!!!!

Haven't been online lately, been painting the interior of my house. Ran out of paint today. It looks so nice and fresh, and I have really enjoyed having a project! I have the radio and TV on. Even went to the Texaco Houston Grand Prix all weekend. Nice to get away. While we were walking to our seats in the stands, Bush was on the huge TV screens telling us we were attacking the Taliban, this was about noon Sunday. Saw Paul Newman, Mario Andretti, Ashley Judd, and all the racers.

BTW they are talking about anthrax on CNN, and getting our hospitals up to par for biological and chemical weapon attacks! I don't even understand the evil mind of a person who spreads a computer virus! Let alone chemical and biological attacks!

13 posted on 10/09/2001 7:18:46 AM PDT by buffyt
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