Thanks for the thread, angelo. Come home soon, we''ll keep a light on for you .(0_0)

Did you find a female apostle yet?

SD

St. Mary Magdalene, in Orthodoxy "Eqaul to the Apostles"

St. Mary Magdalene, in Orthodoxy "Eqaul to the Apostles"

Equal in faith perhaps, equal in station I think not. Unless the Orthodox have been ordaining women all these years and not telling us. ;-)

SD

From Thread 151:66

That came from an ex-Jesuit who knew very well what the jesuit charter was. I think his exact verbage included "The civil surveillance of society" - upon which he elaborated. It's got to be funny of it's an ex-Catholic. Must be a conspiracy because it's a disgruntled ex..

I ask again, who was this ex-Jesuit? How did you come upon this information?

Pray for John Paul II

No, it blows a big hole in the IDEA about how easy Scripture is to be understood.

I sincerly believe that scripture was put there because of the plain and simple statement it makes, that there is, there is more then one way to find Christ.

It was what brought me out of a brainwashed Church years ago, and you have no idea how many others it may have helped, I think you may be concerned for the people who found it, and left the Catholic Church.

Lk 9:49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.
V-50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us

How beautiful it is, no matter what some man tells you, Christ will show you another way if you are truly seeking.

Christ said, "Forbid him not" the Catholic Church said, via SD,

We're talking about protecting the brand name and not letting every goofball run around and confuse the people.

I ask again, who was this ex-Jesuit? How did you come upon this information?

Sorry, didn't realize you'd asked it. I would have to double check but I believe that was Francis Peters from "Ours".

. I would have to double check but I believe that was Francis Peters from "Ours".

Vatican Quality Control

OK, let me see here, Peters, Peters, Peters, ahhhh Ferdenand, Fritz, ahhhh Francis, Francis Peters, I have it fellows, OH WOW look at what they have down for him, He spoke out loud once in class, and it was rumored that he had an affair once with of all things, a woman, gag, there is a lot more here fellows, listen to this.........

Rofl, JH. That was my thought after I posted it - when does the Clinton, er uhm, I mean Roman Catholic Spin machine kick in on him. LOL. He has to now be painted as a quack, An idiot, a heretic, or something of that sort. Generally anyone who leaves Catholicism, we have heard, leaves because of such things - not because they finally understand that they have been fed a load of fertilizer and now wish to reflect and point out the error of their ways as Catholics. We have the Bible for that and it does a pretty good job of pointing out the errors all by its lonesome, and it's noteworthy to comment that it gets attacked too. Predictability is fun isn't it LOL.

Come on! You comeplain about the Fathers of the Church. We are doubting the veracity of an ex-jebbie who may be trying to make a living by dumping on the Church.

We have the Bible for that and it does a pretty good job of pointing out the errors all by its lonesome, and it's noteworthy to comment that it gets attacked too.

Well guys, if you really believe that, you should easily be able to answer my questions from Post #32 on the previous thread. By answering those questions, it should clear up any doubt regarding your sola scriptura position.

Well guys, if you really believe that, you should easily be able to answer my questions from Post #32 on the previous thread.

This sounds like fun, are we going to compare results with your answers to Big Mack's questions to you on T-153, P-#4 ? Who is going to grade them, angelo?

This sounds like fun, are we going to compare results with your answers to Big Mack's questions to you on T-153, P-#4 ? Who is going to grade them, angelo?

Sounds fair to me. I gave Big Mack a response. Now it's your turn.

sola scriptura position.

First, glad to see you back Pegleg. I have been busier than a one legged man the past couple of days and I must have overlooked your presence. LOL.

Now down to business. Sola Scriptura is a huge red herring. People who put final authority in God's word Do Not believe that the Bible itself is the only authority. I believe that the Bible and God serve together as the final arbiter of anything. And I believe that Pastors and teachers have a place so long as what they teach lines up with the word of God (as the Bible says). But they each answer both to God and to their congregations. If a congregation doesn't reign in a Pastor or teacher they know to be in error, they are responsible for it. The congregation is as responsible for what their Pastors and teachers utter to them as the men speaking - this is what the Bible says.

The Bible also Says that Jesus is the head of the Congregation - not any man. God tried to lead his people in the OT times and the people Cried out 'give us a King like the other nations to lead us'. When he did, the men who became King screwed it up royally. When God put Jesus over his people in the NT, it's not surprising that someone would shout 'give us a king'. But, God had already spoken from experience at length on the subject and told us He is the King - the leader of his people. And Biblically, any man trying to usurp that position makes of himself the haughty Angel that would raise his throne above that of God. Theres probably still a heal print on his backside and a defined impact point where he hit the planet when his butt was kicked out of heaven. The usurper in the flesh will suffer much the same fate - you might read Revelation; because it says so rather pointedly.

Can I get an Amen from the cheap seats?

Can I get an Amen from the cheap seats?

Amen brother! Now answer my questions.

You comeplain about the Fathers of the Church.

I complain about who you call the 'fathers' of the church because unlike the NT writers who are in agreement, your 'fathers' don't agree with the NT writers, much less each other. You quote them when it befits you to do so and dismiss them when it befits you to do so - that's not authority, it's chaos. If I write a book and say one thing right in the entire volume, it doesn't make the book a bearer of truth, the truth is incidental to the work.

We are doubting the veracity of an ex-jebbie who may be trying to make a living by dumping on the Church.

Oh, I almost forgot the 'anyone who writes a book is out for profit and doesn't really speak from authority' approach. Perhaps that is the point of all the NI & O books put out. If they don't tell the church story with the inerrant nature they are supposed to portray by bearing the stamp, the stamp must be worthless and the authors out to make a buck. Now that's an application of this approach I hadn't considered LOL.

caveat emptor.

BigMack

This whole thread has passed and you ignore my post #32. Mind if I quote you?

What does it take to answer simple questions? Can you not do it? Please try.

Catholic tatctics, answer a question with a question.

You can't answer my questions can you?

Amen brother! Now answer my questions.

Your one to be asking this! :)

Bigmack