As we go foreward something to think about!

For discussion

For discussion

For discussion

For discussion

For discussion

"Police have the God-given right to use force to restrain evil and bring law-breakers to justice. And legitimate states have the God-given right to restrain life-threatening aggression and bring criminals to justice."

Isn't it THEIR RESPONSIBILITY? Not RIGHT?????

RnMomof7, if you will dive into what this guy says, you may begin to understand almost everything I post. He and I think almost exactly alike when it comes to Glorifying God.

P.S. He talks about my vision in his book Desiring God I found out several days after I had my vision; to my fascination. In fact, God used his book to clarify my vision with these words: Glorifying God not by serving, but by being served by Him.

Happy hunting!

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What say you O mighty man Bush. Have your commentaries given you the answer yet? Do you feel like casting any more dispersions about my spiritual Gifts? GWB has made a pit and dug it out, And has fallen into the ditch which he made.

P.S. He talks about my vision in his book Desiring God I found out several days after I had my vision

Your vision??? You sound like a pompous individual to me dear sir. How about a little humility? And another thing, why not mix a little Christian love in your accusations of GWB?

I know John Piper personally, and he wouldn't approve of your attacks on my friend GWB.

Thanks for the bump Rnmomof7. I always enjoy reading Bro. Piper.

The name didnt ring a bell...Now it does...It just seemed there were alot of questions on if we would or could defend ourselves as Christians..this appeared to be a easy piece to absorb..

Thanks for the bump Rnmomof7. I always enjoy reading Bro. Piper.

I have never read his books,he seems thoughtful and nothing of this nature has been posted in a few days...People have alot of questions on this and how faith impacts what is happening.

Here's the distinction that needs to be made.

As a nation, our cues come more from the Old Testement law than from the New Testament principles for the individual. Israel was commanded to engage in brutal conflict with its enemies-- to the point of slaying women and children. As the old saying goes, "All's fair in war." Or, more recently, "There can be no such thing as war atrocities. War itself is an atrocity."

So, as a nation, we have a collective responsibility to take vengence upon the people responsible for this dastardly act. We must strike back with a fury so great that the next would-be terrorist will realize his cause will be set back for the next hundred years if he attempts an attack on America. We cannot count on changing the minds of these individuals. Basically, we have to kill them before they kill more of us. Wars don't get more just than that.

On the other hand, as individual Christians, we are to love our enemies. If the opportunity arises to present the gospel to Osama Bin Laden himself, we should immediately do so. (Already that name is being associated with Adolf Hitler, and rightly so!) It would not do for us sinners, saved by grace and by no merit of our own, to say, "No, not him, Lord!!"

And lets see if we can keep this thread from degenerating to the level of that flame war last night. If that happens too much more, JimRob will probably ban all religious threads, and who could blame him?

I agree Jude...there is a difference between an individual response and a National one

This is the time to present the gospel,in a clear and understandable way

I dont know if you have seen this piece just posted...we need to pray for wisdom in our Nations response and in the resolve of our people.

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How about a little humility?

Well, my apologies. You could read the full account where I do credit God and nearly every other post where I do give full credit to God except that these threads seem to be getting pulled....

And another thing, why not mix a little Christian love in your accusations of GWB? I know John Piper personally, and he wouldn't approve of your attacks on my friend GWB.

He mocks God, the Bible, Baptists, spiritual Gifts, all visions, and complains to get real Christians thrown off of FR. 2 have already been booted off of FR. Therefore, Bush will reveal himself. You could read about it except that 2 threads have been pulled.

Plus, I am acting on specific instructions from God to be much more open for His Glory. Bush has dug his own hole by mocking the Holy Spirit, the Gifts of the Spirit, and the Bible where this particular vision can plainly be found. This scratches the surface and you could ask the_doc or peg the prophet for more information, but alas, they don't seem to be around.

P.S. He has also mocked the quote from John Piper that I posted. You could read about it except....

Plus, I am acting on specific instructions from God to be much more open for His Glory

Excuse me, dear sir, but I get a little nervous when someone says they are acting on specific instructions from God. It makes me want to ask some questions: Who made you a prophet? Where did you get your "pipeline" to God? Did anyone else get this message? Are you the only "mouthpiece?" Did anyone else see your "700 foot Jesus?" Am I only to listen to you now and stop searching the Word?

It sounds like you are drifting into (if not already smack dab-in-the-middle of) Gnostism. God's people can't rest this side of glory. Peter warned us that just as there had been false prophets among the people there would be false teachers among us. Spare me "your vision." I'll let the Holy Spirit speak through His word.

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It makes me want to ask some questions: Who made you a prophet? Where did you get your "pipeline" to God? Did anyone else get this message? Are you the only "mouthpiece?" Did anyone else see your "700 foot Jesus?" Am I only to listen to you now and stop searching the Word?

Are you jealous? Would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put His Spirit upon them!

I never demanded that God give me visions and dreams. I am blessed to have visions and dreams. I thought that all of His children had intimate experiences with Him. I thought that all of His children should know what it is like to spend time in the presence of the Lord. I am indeed acting to correct my robbing Him of Glory by speaking more openly about His gifts.

As soon as I had the vision for the second time in a week, I went and found it in the Word of God. Rest assured that I have good company with what was revealed to me by God.

Did anyone else get this message? It was given to some very well respected Biblical persons by God. You are free to read about it in the Bible. In fact, when I posted it I said at that point that it was in plain sight in the Bible.

Where did you get your "pipeline" to God? It was pleasing to God to reveal Christ in me! From that moment on, I have had an open invitation to His presence.

Did anyone else see your "700 foot Jesus?" I guess it is easier to mock than to search.

Am I only to listen to you now and stop searching the Word? If you had listened to me, you would know that I said this vision can be found in the Word. But, your way is much better. Please continue with your derision.

Peter warned us that just as there had been false prophets among the people there would be false teachers among us. Spare me "your vision." I'll let the Holy Spirit speak through His word.

Peter agrees with this vision [given to me by God]. FYI, so does John Piper....

I think maybe I missed something. What exactly was your vision? What did you see?

He mocks God, the Bible, Baptists, spiritual Gifts, all visions, and complains to get real Christians thrown off of FR. 2 have already been booted off of FR. Therefore, Bush will reveal himself. You could read about it except that 2 threads have been pulled.

No, I mock false prophets when they try to impose their strange and unchristian ideas on me.

I had nothing to do with one thread being pulled. Another one was pulled after I asked what should be done with two mentals like you and peg. Right after it was pulled, peg came after me calling me names in FRmail and threatening me and making fun of JimRob, so I just forwarded it to him to see what he thought.

I expect she'll be back in two days. Just like doc is back but not posting much yet. As far as I know, this was her first incident. Frankly, I'm surprised I've never been given a few days off of FR considering some of the things I used to say.

Fortunately, I've repented the hyper-Calvinist approach.

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sola, you're only going to rile him and he'll be chasing you around as well. And you've got FRmail.

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