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US to take revenge without telling UN !
The Times ^ | 09/20/01 | ROLAND WATSON

Posted on 09/20/2001 2:26:20 PM PDT by Bald Eagle

US to take revenge without telling UN
FROM ROLAND WATSON IN WASHINGTON
AMERICA will exact military revenge on terrorists for years to come without consulting the United Nations, Washington made clear yesterday as it suggested that the 19 hijackers had been supported by several states.

Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, insisted on the United States’s right to a free hand when it came to force in the pursuit of individuals, networks and states implicated in the loss of more than 5,000 lives.

President Bush used a fresh tack to try to persuade Arab states traditionally wary of dealing with America to co-operate. He said they could share information with Washington covertly and their citizens would never know.

However, the White House’s rejection of the need for future UN consent raised concerns that Mr Bush was heading for immediate diplomatic trouble as he tries to piece together a shifting, multilayered pattern of alliances to support a global battle with terrorism lasting years.

China has said that it believes firm evidence should be laid before the UN before any military action. Russia has yet to show its hand on the issue, but US diplomats fear that Moscow will demand thorough discussion at the UN Security Council, where it holds a veto.

In another day of hectic diplomatic activity, Mr Bush met Megawati Sukarnoputri, President of Indonesia, the most populous Muslim country. Sitting side by side, he extended a new offer to leaders in Arab states, saying he would respect their local sensitivities in dealing with the US.

Although some moderate Middle Eastern countries such as Saudi Arabia have sympathised with the US after last week’s attacks, none has agreed to co-operate fully.

Mr Bush said he understood that some countries would be nervous of being seen to deal with their traditional foe. “I understand that,” he said, adding that they could share information in private.

The President said: “This will be a different kind of battle, a series of battles. They will be fought visibly sometimes, and sometimes we’ll never see what may be taking place.

“We fully understand that some nations will be comfortable supporting overt activities, some nations will be comfortable supporting covert activities, some nations will only be comfortable in providing information. Others will be helpful and only feel comfortable helping on financial matters.”

Washington widened its list of possible culprits yesterday, saying it believed that more than one overseas government may have supported the suicide hijackers.

John Ashcroft, the Attorney General, said it was “pretty clear” that a “variety of foreign governments” were involved in supporting and protecting “the networks that conduct these kind of events”.

Mr Ashcroft, visiting the blackened rubble of the Pentagon, said that those governments should understand that “America will not tolerate that kind of support”.

American intelligence suspects a possible Iraqi link to last week’s attacks, based on a meeting between Mohammed Atta, the hijacker believed to be at the controls of the first jet to smash into the World Trade Centre, and the head of Bagdhad’s intelligence service earlier this year. But Mr Ashcroft pointedly referred to governments in the plural.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: un
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ITs a nice title for an article but is it really the start of a break away from the UN? I doubt it....
1 posted on 09/20/2001 2:26:20 PM PDT by Bald Eagle
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To: Bald Eagle
Good news!
2 posted on 09/20/2001 2:29:18 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: Bald Eagle
China has said that it believes firm evidence should be laid before the UN before any military action

has the UN been nuked yet?

3 posted on 09/20/2001 2:32:06 PM PDT by Free_at_last_-2001
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To: Bald Eagle
I am more afraid of the way our "allies" are telling us we have to clear any plans thru the UN, and that we need to be less "isolationist" (ie, that we need to ratify Kyoto, the ICC, get rid of NMD, etc) than I am of our enemies in the radical Islamic world. If Rumsfield and GWB stick to their guns and either hold the coalition together anyway, or successfully go it alone, the UN will be defanged .
4 posted on 09/20/2001 2:33:20 PM PDT by kaylar
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To: enderwiggnz
Let's see... did the terrorists ask permission before destroying a large part of lower Manahattan? Did they say "Kofi, May I"? Guess not. Ok, guess we don't have to either.
6 posted on 09/20/2001 2:37:19 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Bald Eagle


7 posted on 09/20/2001 2:39:14 PM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
"Did they say "Kofi, May I"?

hmmmm....I wouldnt be suprised if they did have Kofis approval...I do recall reading an article just recently where Kofi Anus stated that "the United States can go to hell"!

8 posted on 09/20/2001 2:40:31 PM PDT by Bald Eagle
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We do NOT report to the UN.
They are not our Government.
They are not our superiors.
They are not our "god".
They are not our mommy and daddy.
They are not even pro-American.
They will not truly support us anyways.
My compliments to President G.W.Bush and his cool-headed administration for the way they are handling this.
9 posted on 09/20/2001 2:44:05 PM PDT by Jason, from Columbus Ohio
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To: Bald Eagle
devil take the U.N.
10 posted on 09/20/2001 2:44:15 PM PDT by Infobabe
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To: enderwiggnz
The UN already laid waste to the last bit of credibility they had with that absurdity of a meeting on racism in Durban.
11 posted on 09/20/2001 2:47:16 PM PDT by piasa
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To: Bald Eagle
I would give Bush kudos in so much as it breaks away from the precident of having to "get permission" from the UN to day anything.

As for backing away from the UN on the long term, some may be right about this not meaning much. Still it's a start. And it doesn't bode well for a UN that thinks it's in the catbird's seat.

Getting permission would have been a precident setting act. So is this! I think Bush has been wise to stiff arm the UN. Keep it up George.

Ahum, want to make it a two-fer? Clamp down on illegal immigration, without which this incident would have been much harder to execute.

12 posted on 09/20/2001 2:47:36 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Free_at_last_-2001
"China has said that it believes firm evidence should be laid before the UN before any military action."

Remember when the Chinese Embassy was accidently bombed in the Kosovo action? The U.S. bellied up to the bar and agreed to pay damages. This was an accident. The terrorist attacks were intentional barbaric attacks. How many Chinese nationals were killed in the WTC attack? You would think China would think more of its people than that.

13 posted on 09/20/2001 2:48:25 PM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: Bald Eagle
The UN is salivating to get us into the International Court for "high crimes & misdemeanors" after this is over. The US will be made to look like the terrorists, not bin Laden.
14 posted on 09/20/2001 2:55:09 PM PDT by steenkeenbadges
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To: Bald Eagle
One can hope
15 posted on 09/20/2001 2:56:03 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: DoughtyOne
"Clamp down on illegal immigration, without which this incident would have been much harder to execute. "

I can't escape the eerie feeling that, while this tragedy is absorbing all our national attention, creepy deals like Vicente Fox's border-porosity will slip through Congress for the sleaziest of reasons. Possible? I haven't heard anything yet, but what is underhanded business is being done behind the opaque doors of the Senate while nobody's watching?

16 posted on 09/20/2001 2:59:24 PM PDT by steenkeenbadges
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To: Infobabe
devil take the U.N.

He did that a long time ago.

17 posted on 09/20/2001 3:03:30 PM PDT by Texican72
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To: Free_at_last_-2001
Gee! We should go before the UN Security Council and lay out our plans and evidence to them. A really great idea since most of the members are in league with the terrorist states or are terrorist states that have continually voted against us.

Since the Korean War the Soviets were on the Council and we passed our military plans through them before implementing them. Until Gen. MacArthur planned and executed the Inchon landing, successfully, because they were caught off guard!

18 posted on 09/20/2001 3:03:52 PM PDT by dvan
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To: Real Cynic No More
"You would think China would think more of its people than that."

Chinese history has shown exactly what the Chicom Govt. thinks of its people. ie, cultural revolution, forced abortions, extermination of religious groups, Mass executions. Just wait until the Chicoms have a chance to put a UN general in office.

19 posted on 09/20/2001 3:07:17 PM PDT by Bald Eagle
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To: steenkeenbadges
I agree.
20 posted on 09/20/2001 3:14:31 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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