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My life with Taliban women
The Sun ^ | 20 September, 2001 | SHARON HENDRY

Posted on 09/20/2001 6:28:30 AM PDT by anguish

MY LIFE WITH TALIBAN WOMEN

IT is a barbaric regime where women are flogged if they show an ankle, where their nails are removed if they are painted - and where the punishment for adultery is death.

Charity worker Alison Kelly lived with the women under Afghanistan's Taliban and witnessed the astonishing cruelty and repression that the regime's men inflict on them.

Alison, 43, has spent six years as head of Christian Aid's Middle East team. She saw how Afghanistan was transformed by the Islamic fundamentalist sect which took power in 1996. Women are forced to wear the chadri or burqa shroud that covers their bodies. Education and work are banned.

But Alison found the women showed a brave defiance.

Here is her story of her time in the country.

ALISON KELLY first journeyed to Afghanistan in November 1999 and was shocked by what she encountered.

The Taliban - the religious fanatics governing the country - are the world's most brutal regime, especially to women.

Alison says: "When I went to Afghanistan I thought I knew what to expect. After all, I'd been travelling in Muslim countries for years as an aid worker.

"I knew that if I'd been living in Afghanistan instead of just visiting as a worker from London, I would not have been allowed to have a job.

"Worse, I wouldn't have been permitted to leave the house without being covered head to foot in blue robing - and even then only if my husband or brother allowed it."

Alison was amazed by what she found. Women in Afghanistan may not wear make-up or show their faces in public. High heels are banned because the Taliban says the clicking sound they make could corrupt men.

The veil they are forced to wear only allows women to see through a fabric screen. It is so stifling that those wearing glasses or suffering asthma complain they cannot see or breathe.

Alison says women find the burqa a heavy burden. "Occasionally you can see them down side streets lifting it up to take in air in the hot weather."

Doctors report a big rise in eye ailments and road accidents because women's vision is so restricted.

Despite the oppressive rules, Alison says women try to maintain as normal and dignified lives as possible.

She says: "Those who can afford it wear western clothes and make-up underneath their veils.

"Like the local women, I had to cover up. But because I was a foreign aid worker, I could wear a loose scarf over my head and a long tunic and trousers."

Alison discovered that the majority of ordinary Afghan citizens are poor and starving. She says: "I was shocked to see just how bad the conditions are, especially for the women.

"The educated and more wealthy people left years ago. Most still there are on the verge of starvation - the country had suffered a three-year drought, the worst in living memory.

Villagers were worried about getting food for their children. Many were down to their last few weeks of food.

"Wells had dried up, not just in the villages but even in Herat, the second largest city. It was a real problem - women have to walk a mile or more to get water, but the restrictions don't allow them to go this far without their husbands."

Alison is convinced that many Afghans are so removed from the world that they may not even be aware of the name of America's most famous city.

She says: "Many would never have heard of New York, let alone the World Trade Center. The Taliban have banned television and most villagers can't afford radios."

Alison, who has a five-year-old son, says most women living under the Taliban feel trapped and isolated.

She says: "They feel imprisoned. Young women in particular are very curious about what our houses are like and what young people do in the Western world.

"But how do you explain to someone who has no experience of a motor vehicle what the London Underground system is like?"

Under the Taliban, women have no right to work or education and cannot travel alone.

Alison says: "I recall one girl, about 20, who had been a refugee in Iran where she had an education until she was about 12.

"She could do beautiful embroidery but that was all she was allowed to do in Afghanistan. She was very frustrated at not being able to go to school."

Afgan homes must have their windows painted out so that women cannot be seen from outside. Alison says: "As a woman I didn't meet with the Taliban, although you could see them on the street. It's easy to tell which ones they are because they wear a particular style of turban.

"And you know all the soldiers are Taliban because only the Taliban are allowed in their forces. But in any case, I didn't spend much time out on the streets.

"Women just don't go out, unless they are in large group.

"Those who do venture into the street have to be home before 9pm. That's the curfew time for everyone. The electricity normally goes out an hour later."

Alison, from Bradninch, Devon, is married to a university lecturer. Her husband was extremely worried about her trip to Afghanistan but understood her need to help.

Part of Alison's job is to help train women in basic skills."We train birth attendants, who are like midwives, because it's so hard to get to hospital - one village I visited was 13 hours away from one. But most women acting at a birth are completely untrained - I heard of one who used the sole of her shoe to cut the umbilical cord. Infant mortality is desperately high.

"When it was just women together, they would lift the veils away from their faces and talk openly to me.

"They told me about their work. Outside the cities, women grow vegetables in their gardens - they're not allowed out into the fields.

"Under other circumstances, in a different place, these women might have gone to university or have studied a trade. Under the Taliban the only professional work open to them is in the few health centres."

Some women have risked their lives to set up underground groups to give young girls an education.

Alison says: "In some of the bigger cities they have set up secret schools in their homes." The Revolutionary Afghanistan Women's Association (RAWA) is particularly courageous in its opposition to the Taliban.

It runs clandestine schools and orphanages for girls and provides family planning advice.

But it must stay a jump ahead of raids and beatings by Taliban "Vice and Virtue" squads who patrol the streets to check if anyone is breaking the rules.

Alison says many women long to flee the regime. "The women I met had incredible spirit and humour.

"In the towns women who used to be professionals - bankers or professors - are frustrated that they are shut up in their homes.

"Out of sight of the men, they open up and talk. For a moment, you could think you were talking to a group of women back home.

"Then you remember that their children have swollen bellies from lack of food."



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"High heels are banned because the Taliban says the clicking sound they make could corrupt men."

I can't help feeling sorry for the Taliban men. So easily corrupted, and void of any self control whatsoever.

1 posted on 09/20/2001 6:28:30 AM PDT by anguish (anguish@tjohoo.se)
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To: anguish
Disgusting bunch of nazis. I hope our feminazis can see how good they have it. Would that they could trade places with some of the Afghan women.
2 posted on 09/20/2001 6:36:00 AM PDT by Vigilanteman
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To: anguish, JulieRNR21
I know a gal who works at the Center for Disease Control (CDC) offices in Atlanta, Georgia. She was a Peace Corps volunteer in Mauritania, just north of the border with Senegal, from 1989-1991. Her most interesting comment was how, to her perspective, the terrible opression and extreme hardships imparted on the people of Afghanistan remind her most of the nightmare endured by the Cambodians during the reign of the Khymer Rouge under Pol Pot in the late 1970s.

Another article posted earlier on FR about this insanity can be found here: Buried Alive: Afghan Women under the Taliban.


3 posted on 09/20/2001 6:36:48 AM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: anguish
thourghout reading this, I couldn't help but to think that this is an advantage to our covert operations. How hard would it be to run men in there in female "taliban approved" attire.
4 posted on 09/20/2001 6:38:31 AM PDT by francisandbeans
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To: anguish
Thank you for giving us a glimpse of their world.
5 posted on 09/20/2001 6:41:15 AM PDT by lookandlisten
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To: anguish
Afghanistan my foot. It happens here as well. I see women driving cars here with a full rig on, veil and all. Figure that out.
6 posted on 09/20/2001 6:43:55 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: anguish
someone should forward to Susan Sontag
7 posted on 09/20/2001 6:44:47 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: anguish
For all those peace protesters popping up on campuses, here is ammunition to combat them. We are fighting people that are this irrational; talking to people like this will not accomplish anything.

I want to hear NOW come out in support of the President.

8 posted on 09/20/2001 6:46:38 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: anguish
Afgan homes must have their windows painted out so that women cannot be seen from outside. Alison says: "As a woman I didn't meet with the Taliban, although you could see them on the street. It's easy to tell which ones they are because they wear a particular style of turban. "And you know all the soldiers are Taliban because only the Taliban are allowed in their forces.

Well, that should make it easy for the troops: look for particular turbans and well fed and armed men. Sounds like the women will help.

Can this be mailed to our troops?

Also, when we go in, we should give any women who want to leave the option to do so. Can't see how it could be any worse elsewhere in the world, with the possible exception of several other Muslim or Communist states.

Sure would relieve these guys of the horrible temptation of high heels and fingernail polish, the turn of an ankle, or the sight of a face. Hmmmm, maybe we should let the barnyard animals escape too!

9 posted on 09/20/2001 6:54:57 AM PDT by SpinyNorman
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To: lookandlisten
I usually do not watch CNN but last night they had a report filmed by a British reporter. Her parents had grown up in Afghanistan and this report was so good. She had to film much of it in secret and it was truly frightening. They hearded people into a stadium so they could all witness the executions of men and women.We saw women teachers risking their lives working underground to educate little girls.Women doctors, not allowed to practice anymore, risk their lives to give women medical care. I hope CNN shows that film again as I believe we all need to know the evil we are up against.
10 posted on 09/20/2001 6:56:07 AM PDT by NativeTxn
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To: Miss Marple
The usual comments you would hear from the hate-America- first crowd would be: "Who are we to judge?" "Who are we to question someone else's religious beliefs?" "We repress women too, only not as much."

Stories like this will have very little impact on the fringe nut cases out there. There will always be at a few people you can't reach with truth and logic, so it's no use even trying.

11 posted on 09/20/2001 6:57:13 AM PDT by Russ
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To: anguish
I was recently at the mall with a few muslim women who were covered in heavy brown drapery (sorry, that's what it looked like), from head to foot, with only their eyes showing. Much more covered than most muslim women I see. Later, I ran into them in the women's bathroom and was surprised to see that they had stripped off all the coverings and had modern, nice clothing underneath. They practically ran in to strip the stuff off. I could tell they were hot, and we were in an air conditioned mall. Imagine how hot they must be outside in the very hot, very humid Houston weather. Yikes!
12 posted on 09/20/2001 6:59:41 AM PDT by joathome
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To: anguish
The GDP of Afghanistan in 1999 was approx. 20 billion dollars. That's a guess by the CIA. Their GDP is so low the World Bank does not even list numbers. In comparison, Bill Gates net worth is approx. 60 billion dollars.

Sounds like the Taliban needs to be exterminated and the regular Afgan people need Wal-Marts if they could afford them.

Too bad they don't have many TV's. We could beam the daytime soap opera trash into these womens homes and really mess them up. Or worse, make them watch "the View" and Rosie all day.

It will be interesting to see what "W" comes up with to handle this problem. I'm convinced he will do exactly what's needed.

God Bless America!

13 posted on 09/20/2001 7:00:57 AM PDT by isthisnickcool
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To: francisandbeans
"How hard would it be to run men in there in female "taliban approved" attire. "

I like it. Unfortunately the main targets seem to have left town.

14 posted on 09/20/2001 7:05:31 AM PDT by Movemout
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To: anguish
I must be part Taliban because every time I hear the clicking of a pair of high heels across a tile floor I have to look and see if there is a shapely gam and an upturned ankle to go with them!
15 posted on 09/20/2001 7:09:23 AM PDT by bray
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To: SpinyNorman
Also, when we go in, we should give any women who want to leave the option to do so.

Nah, they shouldn't leave. We can provide the women of Afganastan with what they need the most...power to rule.

Can you imagine: lessons in male management from Lorraina Bobbit?

16 posted on 09/20/2001 7:15:07 AM PDT by MarketR
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To: AppyPappy
>Afghanistan my foot. It happens here as well. I see women driving cars here with a full rig on, veil and all. Figure that out.

Well, because contrary to the NOW and Feminist Majority propaganda, this business about "The Veil" isn't _intended_ to be about oppression and _many_ Muslim women do not respond to it as such.

It may seem like tin foil stuff to us, but the _reality_ is pretty interesting and, actually, part of JudeoChristianity as well. I put up this in another thread:

FYI -- this business of covering women isn't meant as oppression. On the contrary, Fundamentalist Muslims believe in djinns, spirit beings -- akin to JudeoChristian's Fallen Angels -- who are believed often to take an interest in human women and make off with them. Women are advised to hide their beauty to protect themselves from the djinns. Before we single out these people for their "oppression" of women, this belief in spirit beings lusting after women is so deeply entrenched even in our own Bible that in 1 Corinthians 11 Paul goes on at some length about advising women to cover their heads. He even explicitly references the Fallen Angels in 1 Corinthians 11:10 -- "For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels."

In middle eastern cultures, they've chosen to place more importance on these verses -- well, these beliefs -- than we have in the West.

(We tend to laugh at suggestions that Fallen Angels are real and would be interested in abducting modern women (and that they could somehow be fooled or put off by veils), but this is not only a very old belief, but many fundamentalist Christians point to the contemporary "trend" (or delusion, whatever) in "alien abduction" and say that it's the same phenomenon happening in the present that happened in the past. I _wonder_ (in a tin foil kinda way) if there are fewer "alien abduction" claims in middle eastern countries where it's common for women to "cover up" than there are in the West.)

Mostly, the bottom line is that I just can't believe Now or the Feminist Majority could be _right_ about anything... Mark W.

17 posted on 09/20/2001 7:15:19 AM PDT by MarkWar
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To: Russ
Stories like this will have very little impact on the fringe nut cases out there.

You are so correct. Check out post #17.

18 posted on 09/20/2001 7:28:31 AM PDT by Wm Bach
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To: anguish
bump
19 posted on 09/20/2001 7:28:49 AM PDT by Red Jones
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To: AppyPappy
"Afghanistan my foot. It happens here as well. I see women driving cars here with a full rig on, veil and all. Figure that out."

If she is driving dressed that way, it is her choice to observe the custom; if she were being forced to observe it she wouldn't be driving. I've always respected (though not necessarily LIKED) people who set a tough standard for themselves and then actually LIVED it!

20 posted on 09/20/2001 7:32:01 AM PDT by JimRed
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