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U.S. Muslims Divided Over America.

Culture/Society News Keywords: MUSLIMS, AMERICA
Source: EWTN
Published: 4/27/01
Posted on 04/27/2001 09:21:20 PDT by marshmallow

WASHINGTON, D.C., (Zenit.org).- More than one in four U.S. Muslims strongly believes that "America is an immoral, corrupt society," a new poll shows.

The poll, the first comprehensive survey of the faith´s presence in the United States, found that American Muslims comprise are a growing community, with 1,209 mosques nationwide, according to an Associated Press report. The results were released here today.

There has been disagreement over U.S. Muslim numbers, and reliable figures were scarce. AP said the new study, led by professor Ihsan Bagby of Shaw University in Raleigh, North Carolina, offers these figures:

--6 million to 7 million is a reasonable estimate for Americans who would consider themselves ethnic Muslims. (That compares with an ethnic count of 6.06 million for U.S. Jews.)

--2 million Muslims are religiously involved to varying degrees with local mosques, for example by attending the two yearly Eids (festivals). That projection was based on a survey of 416 mosque leaders.

--411,000 Muslims, 78% of them men, nationally attend the Friday Jum´ah prayers in an average week, judging from mosque leaders´ reports.

The statistics excluded Louis Farrakhan´s Nation of Islam, the Ahmaddiya movement and other groups that mainstream Islam has regarded as heterodox, Bagby said.

About 87% of the local mosques in the survey were founded since 1970.

The survey is the latest sign of the demographic changes remaking the United States. Recent U.S. Census figures showed that Hispanics may have surpassed blacks as the largest minority.

Historically, black Americans have operated their own mosques and immigrants´ mosques were divided by national origin. The new survey showed blacks remain dominant in 27% of mosques, South Asian immigrants in 28% and Arab-Americans in 15%. The others were more pluralistic. "Our mosques are much more diverse than we think,´´ Bagby said, though falling short of Islam´s multiracial ideal.

"Muslims are very divided on how they view America,´´ Bagby said. Heavy majorities of mosque leaders strongly agreed that believers can learn from the nation´s technological advances and should be involved in politics and American institutions.

However, when asked whether America "is an example of freedom and democracy that we can learn from,´´ only 35% strongly agreed. Some 28% strongly agreed that "America is an immoral, corrupt society,´´ and 15% strongly agreed that "American society is hostile to Islam.´´

Among other highlights of the survey:

--Among regular Muslim worshippers, 47% were reported to be 35 or younger.

--Among the regulars, 29% were converts to Islam. Among 19,700 annual converts, an estimated 14,000 were black and 13,000 were men.

--There were no paid full-time employees at 55% of mosques, and 45% had no paid staff even on a part-time basis. The typical imam or other mosque leader is a part-time volunteer who makes a living elsewhere.

--21% said their mosques maintain a literal interpretation of the faith drawn directly from the Koran and Sunnah (practices of the Prophet Mohammed); 71% said they take into account the purposes of revelations in light of "modern circumstances.´´ The rest followed other Muslim traditions or did not respond.

The survey´s sampling margin of error was 5 percentage points.


1 Posted on 04/27/2001 09:21:20 PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Then &*%$! leave and don't let the door hit you in the @ss on the way out. I'm sure that you would be so much happier to be living in Iran or Saudi Arabia.

2 Posted on 04/27/2001 09:26:15 PDT by BlueLancer
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To: BlueLancer

My sentiments exactly! Get out if it's soooooo bad!

FMCDH

3 Posted on 04/27/2001 09:28:29 PDT by nothingnew
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To: marshmallow

More than one in four U.S. Muslims strongly believes that "America is an immoral, corrupt society," a new poll shows.

I would consider it a more sincere and honest opinion if also one in four U.S. Muslims planned to move to a Muslim theocracy ASAP.

4 Posted on 04/27/2001 09:28:51 PDT by Publius6961
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To: Publius6961

I forgot to add "useful".

5 Posted on 04/27/2001 09:29:39 PDT by Publius6961
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To: BlueLancer

P.S.---In this country, they have a choice to stay or leave...unlike cuba, let's say.

FMCDH

6 Posted on 04/27/2001 09:29:53 PDT by nothingnew
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To: marshmallow

If you asked Christians, more than 25% would say that THIS society is immoral.

7 Posted on 04/27/2001 09:32:09 PDT by BillM
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To: marshmallow

I wonder if you wouldn't find the same percentages of Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist or Hindu types to say the same thing. I know of some charismatic types in the Catholic Church, that if you called them a subset or an entity unto themselves, the percentage would be significantly higher.

How many freepers didn't think the same thing when we were bombarded day after day with the popularity of bill clinton? There can't be much doubt he was the most decadent person to occupy the oval office in the history of the US, yet he always seemed to have the support of about 125% of the population.

8 Posted on 04/27/2001 09:34:45 PDT by stevem (semalone@worldnet.att.net)
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To: BillM

I agree. After 8 years of Klinton one would have seriously conclude that America is an immoral and corrupt society. However, I expect that to change during the next 8 years.

9 Posted on 04/27/2001 09:36:04 PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: BillM

25% would be a 'conservative' number I would think.

10 Posted on 04/27/2001 09:36:30 PDT by RCW2001
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To: Publius6961

More than one in four U.S. Muslims strongly believes that "America is an immoral, corrupt society," a new poll shows.

As opposed to four in four Christians believing the same thing?

11 Posted on 04/27/2001 09:37:21 PDT by FreeTally
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To: BlueLancer

Then &*%$! leave and don't let the door hit you in the @ss on the way out. I'm sure that you would be so much happier to be living in Iran or Saudi Arabia.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Can you say here for the money?
Can you say America is merely a country of convenience for them?

12 Posted on 04/27/2001 09:37:44 PDT by dennisw
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To: stevem

bump

13 Posted on 04/27/2001 09:41:20 PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: stevem

I wonder if you wouldn't find the same percentages of Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist or Hindu types to say the same thing.

Yeah but they didn't immigrate to America. Would you move to a place that you felt was>>>asked whether America "is an example of freedom and democracy that we can learn from,´´ only 35% strongly agreed. Some 28% strongly agreed that "America is an immoral, corrupt society,´´ and 15% strongly agreed that "American society is hostile to Islam.´´

14 Posted on 04/27/2001 09:41:36 PDT by dennisw
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To: marshmallow

More than one in four U.S. Muslims strongly believes that "America is an immoral, corrupt society,"

And the other three are clueless. It's not for nothing that the Pope calls this the Culture of Death.

15 Posted on 04/27/2001 09:46:13 PDT by allend
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To: marshmallow

More than one in four U.S. Muslims strongly believes that "America is an immoral, corrupt society," a new poll shows.

But America's dollars are just fine.

16 Posted on 04/27/2001 10:08:18 PDT by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: marshmallow

However, when asked whether America "is an example of freedom and democracy that we can learn from,´´ only 35% strongly agreed. Some 28% strongly agreed that "America is an immoral, corrupt society,´´ and 15% strongly agreed that "American society is hostile to Islam.´´

  1. Whenever homosexuality, abortion, drugs, Hollywood, or education comes up aroung here, it starts to look like about 95% of Freepers agree that "America is an immoral, corrupt society." And remember, a lot of these folks live in the "blue zone," so it's even worse for them.
  2. In a piece of bad poll design, "an example of freedom and democracy that we can learn from" and "an immoral, corrupt society" were made exclusive choices. I strongly agree with both statements.

17 Posted on 04/27/2001 10:12:03 PDT by N00dleN0gg1n
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To: N00dleN0gg1n

The reason they think this society is immoral is because of Christianity.

18 Posted on 04/27/2001 11:05:12 PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: Sunshine Sister

The reason they think this society is immoral is because of Christianity.

And how do you know that?

19 Posted on 04/27/2001 11:16:15 PDT by N00dleN0gg1n
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To: N00dleN0gg1n

Where have you been? Have you not read about what is going on in Maylasia? (Sorry, I know that is not spelled right.) There is a religious war going on in which if Christians don't convert to Muslim, they are executed. The women who convert are mutilated. This is happening in Africa also.

20 Posted on 04/27/2001 11:25:19 PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: dennisw

I like to think I wouldn't deliberately move to a place I thought a moral abyss.

On the other hand, there are lots of Muslims that were born in this country. An interesting statistic was that the percent of "practicing" Muslims looked about as representative as any other religion in the neighborhood. It might even be a bit low compared to Christians of Jews.

On the third hand, I've lived in Minnesota all of my life. At this exact moment I can't afford to leave. I'm not 100% sure about the morality. I'm not 100% sure I'm a paragon of morality. I do know the majority in this state - a fairly significant majority - thinks we are way undertaxed as a nation. They also think we don't abort nearly enough pregnancies i.e. abortion is a good thing, and partial birth abortions, the more the merrier, are even better.

So this place doesn't come close to representing my belief in a proper way for a society to live. In spite of that I've stuck around.

I guess the thing to do is to try in our meager way to influence those around us to be better people, and, along the way, try to be better people ourselves. I like to think this nation will wake up one of these days, and move toward the value system that made it a great nation. Until that happens, each of us needs to look to our own counsel as to how to live. After that happens, it won't matter what 25% of the people think, whether they immigrated or were born here.

21 Posted on 04/27/2001 11:35:06 PDT by stevem (semalone@worldnet.att.net)
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To: BlueLancer

Why don't you &*%$! leave. I think we live in an immoral corrupt society too.

22 Posted on 04/27/2001 11:38:05 PDT by NC_Libertarian
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To: dennisw

American society is hostile to Christianity too.

23 Posted on 04/27/2001 11:41:56 PDT by NC_Libertarian
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To: NC_Libertarian

Boy howdy do you have that right!

24 Posted on 04/27/2001 13:05:48 PDT by Sunshine Sister
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