A Mormon confronts his myths: faces expulsion for refuting link between Indians and Israelites

National Post ^ | December 03, 2002 | Jan Cienski

[P-Marlowe]

Hi Sharon. I've been really busy the last two or three months, but things have slowed down a bit. I know how much you must miss my courteous comments. ;-)

[Wrigley]

Ooops

I just fanned the flames again.

[Wrigley]

Every week on TLC you see one show or another on some long-lost, only now discovered civilization.

And, every week goes by where it isn't a civilization from the Book of Mormon.

[Grig]

"Tell me restoru, do you know greek? Have you ever looked at the manuscript evidence on this passage? Why not admit you follow Joseph Smith, SBUHN blindly despite all evidence to the contrary? "

We claim Joseph was a prophet of God, you claim he was a liar etc. etc. We claim the Insprired Version is the result of revelation, you claim it is not, we claim the witness of the Holy Ghost has confirmed the truth of these things, you claim we follow a man blindly. You ask other to put their trust in your views, we ask others to go to God in faith and sincerity.

I will gladdly let God judge between us, it will never be settled before then.

[Wrigley]

Whistle blows

Penalty against grig

10 yards for dodging the question.

[Grig]

"And, every week goes by where it isn't a civilization from the Book of Mormon."

So what, lots of Biblical sites have not been found yet too.

Now and then I've seen some on TLC that seemed likely candidates for post-Moroni Lamanite civilizations however.

[Wrigley]

Keep hope alive.

Future Mormons will be trying to claim each new discovery long after we are both gone.

You won't find the evidence. You can't discover what never existed.

[Grig]

"10 yards for dodging the question."

I'm not playing your rigged game.

The question was not relevant. What documents currently exist and are found and what they contain doesn't prove anything either way. Of course, truth isn't what you're after, you just want the cheap thrill of making an irrelavent point and pretending it means something significant.

[fishtank]

What I think I'd like to ask also is: Do you think the Tanners were right about anything, or are they always wrong?

Yes, I have been reading their site, but could you tell me what they got wrong, and if they got anything right, could you let me know that also?

[Wrigley]

Hey, Steve, it looks like your question was deemed irrelavent by grig.

[restornu]

That is being sarcastic and misleading! But than wrigley would not be wrigley:)

[Wrigley]

Not sarcastic at all.

It is a firmly held belief.

You'll have to explain where I am being misleading.

And rest making comments that she can't support is only rest being rest. :-)

[Wrigley]

Just to help you out understanding sarcasm, read this post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/810034/posts?page=2#2

[restornu]

Comb the old freeper threads for the House of Vomit HOV/Tanners like a dog who returns to it vomits! continue your dine!

[fishtank]

I'm sorry, restor, I was truly trying to be civil.

[drstevej]

***Hey, Steve, it looks like your question was deemed irrelavent by grig.***

It is sure easier to duck the question than to face the consequences that Joseph Smith, SBUHN deliberately changed the Bible to fit his theology.

Grig didn't answer because he can't answer it.

For our lurkers, please compare the last phrase of the KJV and the JST (Joseph Smith Translation).

Ro. 8:30 (KJV) - and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Ro. 8:30 (JST) - and him whom he sanctified, him he also glorified.

[drstevej]

***Ping me if any one of these guys replies. ***

I assume you mean if one actually trys a substantive answer. We get lots of subjective, "You ask me how I know it's true? I know cause I got a burnin' heart!"

[RnMomof7]

And I believe Paul's words also and have studied them over the years. This next year (2003) we are studying the New Testament in Sunday School. We studied the Old Testament in 2002.

As seen through the eyes of the BOM and the PoGP..and when properly interpreted

[P-Marlowe]

Yeah, don't ping me with a burnin' heart answer. I got a burnin' heart that JS is a fraud. I suppose the only way to know the truth would be to take our cardiac temperatures, huh? Where is the_doc?

[RnMomof7]

There was a hill called Cumorah where the battle took place, and afterwards Moroni took the plates very far away and hid them in the side of a hill that we today call Cumorah, after the name of that first hill. They are not the same hill at all

The geography of the BOM is New York State. So where was the REAL Hill Cumorah? When did they discover that this was not the REAL Hill Cumorah?.Where are the bodies buried?