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The Biblical Jesus Christ never condemned homosexuality
The Liberal Constitutionalist ^

Posted on 06/06/2002 10:02:20 AM PDT by aconservaguy

The Biblical Jesus Christ never condemned homosexuality.

I know this subject is a little outside the scope of liberal Constitutional theory, but we hear it all the time. The Bible God, Christian fundamentalists say, condemns homosexuality. The religious conservative's favorite anti-gay hammer verses include such perennial stand-bys as Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, and Leviticus 20:13. When read alone, these verses sound convincing and unequivocal.

However, there is another approach to the Bible that sheds a very different light on today's gay issues. Perhaps the biblical Jesus isn't as mean and nasty as some Christians seem to want him to be.

The Old Testament "anti-gay" dictates, such as in Leviticus, make up part of Mosaic Law, which was intended for the Israelites and those living with them. Mosaic Law also contains other odd dictates, such as death for rebellious teens and other (sometimes minor) offenses. Exodus chapters 21-24 and Leviticus chapters 20-22 lists many of these.

Today, however, many fundamentalist Christians, when asked why they no longer follow all of Mosaic Law, will respond "Well, Jesus fulfilled the Law!" "We are no longer under the Law!" Yet, when asked about gay issues, they generally revert to a law-like argument, proclaiming that "homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God."

Well, which is it? Are we "under the Law" or not?

Some Christians attempt to separate "ceremonial law", done away with after the crucifixion, from "moral law," which they claim is still in effect. Others argue that some or much of the law remains in effect, but without the mandated punishments. These Christians often quote Matthew 5:17, claiming that Jesus did not "abolish" the Law, but merely "fulfilled" it.

What follows is a new and different angle, one which very seldom makes it to the airwaves or to the press.

First and foremost, Jesus did abolish the literal Mosaic Law. Ephesians 2:13-17 makes this perfectly clear. What Jesus properly fulfilled was not "the Law," but the prophecies of him, some of which were written in the Law (Luke 24:44, John 15:25). Read Matthew 5:17-18 to the very end - nothing shall disappear from the Law "until everything is accomplished" - and this will become obvious. There is nothing in the Bible to indicate that Jesus "fulfilled the law" in the modern Christian fundamentalist sense that God still requires adherence to useless and baseless taboos.

However, how Jesus reportedly dealt with "law" questions is most revealing.

When the rich young man asked Jesus how he might obtain eternal life, Jesus replied, "obey the commandments" (Matt 19:17). That's a loose answer for a supposedly strict Savior, don't you think?

Apparently the man thought so, too. In verse 18, the man asked Jesus, "which ones?" In verses 18-19 (and Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20), Jesus replies with only five of the ten commandments. And, in Matthew's rendition Jesus gives a commandment that is not even one of the ten. In verse 19, Jesus lists "love your neighbor as yourself." Evidently Jesus was not overly concerned with strict literalism.

Interestingly, Jesus never did mention homosexuality. In Matthew 22:38-39, Jesus summarizes the thrust, the spirit of the law: Love God with all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself.

Romans 13:9-10 reinforces this, as does James 2:8, which reads, "If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, 'Love your neighbor as yourself,' you are doing right." Homosexuals are entirely capable of complying with this commandment, perhaps more capable than some of the heterosexual Christians I have known.

If you dig deep enough, you find a new, universal moral law that is good anywhere on earth: Try to help people, and do not harm anyone, including yourself. Simple, but forever valid.

What do we do with the "anti-gay" verses in the opening paragraph, then?

Leviticus 20 is gone with the rest of Mosaic Law. The objects of the Romans and Corinthians passages seem not to be homosexuals in and of themselves. The mental picture that forms when reading these passages is a vision of irresponsible, senseless, and destructive behavior, which bears no resemblance to that of responsible gays and lesbians entering into lasting commitments.

Moreover, Paul's letters had specific intended recipients. Paul sounds prohibitive in dealing with the Corinthians because they were the early church group with the most troubles. But when Paul wrote the Galatians, who were especially uptight about matters of "law," Paul sounds like a civil libertarian. Some of the most beautiful Scriptures are found in Galatians.

An argument can thus be made that likens God to a physician treating different patients with various illnesses. God, through Paul, wrote one type of prescription to treat the wayward Corinthians, a different prescription to treat the uptight Galatians, etc. Each of God's prescriptions would be "true" for its intended patient.

Therefore, when Jesus died on the cross for all mankind, do you really think that God wanted to "change the rules" for distant cultures such as the Aborigines and Lakota to fit what Paul wrote to Romans? Or did Jesus merely summarize the essence of all moral customs, no matter how these may manifest themselves at any given place or time?

Something to think about.

Here are some more quaint Scriptures to ponder:

James 2:25 - "In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction?" Hmmm

3 John 1:11 - "Dear friend, do not imitate what is evil but what is good. Anyone who does what is good is from God." Interesting.

Romans 14:5 - "One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind." Whatever happened to the Ten Commandments and keeping the Sabbath day holy??

Extra credit points go to anyone who takes the time to peruse Colossians 2:20-23.

From 1988 to 1996, reported hate crimes against gays and lesbians have increased 260 percent, a rise which closely coincides with today's rapidly escalated religious hatred toward gays by the extreme right wing's thousands of mass media outlets.

This begs the question: What do you think "pleases God" more? How kindly and charitably we as humans treat one another? Or how hatefully we abuse people such as gays and lesbians who fail to adhere to baseless religious taboos and "moral laws" that no longer serve any useful, practical purpose toward creating a civil society?

"If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." (Romans 12:18).


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1 posted on 06/06/2002 10:02:20 AM PDT by aconservaguy
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To: aconservaguy
The Biblical Jesus Christ never condemned homosexuality.

The Biblical Jesus Christ never condemned child molestation, either.

2 posted on 06/06/2002 10:04:36 AM PDT by RabidBartender
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To: aconservaguy
One would expect that someone who is confused about something as basic and obvious as what our sex organs are for would be confused about a lot of things, including the fact that the Bible places restrictions on sexual behavior.
3 posted on 06/06/2002 10:05:11 AM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: aconservaguy
And yea, God didst diggeth up Sodom and Gomorrah and didst saith straightway that he didst goofeth....NOT.
4 posted on 06/06/2002 10:08:16 AM PDT by N. Theknow
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To: aconservaguy
Perhaps the biblical Jesus isn't as mean and nasty as some Christians seem to want him to be.

I don't know a single Christian who 'wants' Christ to be "mean and nasty" as this author alledges.

This sentence alone indicates what the author's intent is: Agree with the author's interpretation of the Bible, or be labeled a homophobic hate monger.

We've seen his type before. We'll undoubtedly see it again. They twist and twist the Bible into some Cultural world-view that makes them feel all good and warm inside.

The reality is, the Bible's truths are unending. They are what they are. Twist and spin 'em all you want, God's word means what it means. Nothing this author writes can or will ever change it.

5 posted on 06/06/2002 10:08:26 AM PDT by usconservative
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To: lady lawyer
old and new testiment man is not to lay with man,nor woman,woman.
6 posted on 06/06/2002 10:08:47 AM PDT by cactusSharp
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To: aconservaguy
. . . the extreme right wing's thousands of mass media outlets.

Maybe the author would care to name three of them.

7 posted on 06/06/2002 10:08:55 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: aconservaguy
Jesus didn't, but God did.
8 posted on 06/06/2002 10:11:29 AM PDT by rudypoot
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To: usconservative
great points
9 posted on 06/06/2002 10:12:15 AM PDT by aconservaguy
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To: aconservaguy
Jesus didn't say "don't eat saturated fats, they're bad for you." My mother used to say, "if Jesus were here you would argue with him." The same may be said for the never-ending parade of people who want to reinterpret the Bible to read as they wish it to read. If I get you to say enough things, I can record them and clip them together in a specific order and have you saying whatever I want. This is what so many people want to do with the Bible. Belief in Christ means accountability and in this age no one wants to be accountable, period.
10 posted on 06/06/2002 10:13:05 AM PDT by elephantlips
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To: rudypoot
Jesus is God, He said the Father and He were one.

Jesus also said He came to fulfill the law, and the law is in the bible, and the bible condemns homosexuality.

11 posted on 06/06/2002 10:14:35 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: onedoug
fyi
12 posted on 06/06/2002 10:14:55 AM PDT by windcliff
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To: aconservaguy
Hey Dude ( RealConst@juno.com ) You might want to close the door on your bunker, and while you're down there, try using the light of the flames to read the "Book of Jude". Don't let us down :^)
13 posted on 06/06/2002 10:17:34 AM PDT by Dust in the Wind
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To: cactusSharp
This is not a leading question, but perhaps a more knowledgable person than I can answer it. The OT refers to homosexuality as "lying down with other men" but I don't think "homosexuality" itself is reference. I.e., lesbianism never gets covered. Maybe somebody can correct me on that.
14 posted on 06/06/2002 10:17:44 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: aconservaguy
Jesus Christ upheld the Mosiac Law, which called for the death penatly for homosexuality. His Apostles condemned homosexuality as well.
15 posted on 06/06/2002 10:17:51 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: aconservaguy
The way I read this is that Jesus was only against gay Corinthians and Leviticus'. None of those around today, so go forth and sodomize!
16 posted on 06/06/2002 10:21:02 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: usconservative
Jesus wasn't a wimp and someone that went around handing out smiley faces. Jesus was often harsh, angered by the wicked and, even, insulting. He had no tolerance toward wickedness and immorality.
17 posted on 06/06/2002 10:21:17 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: aconservaguy
Your previous posts have dealt largely with issues of the Catholic church. Is this post an attempt to justify the homosexual nature of many of the priests involved in this scandal?
18 posted on 06/06/2002 10:21:22 AM PDT by lews
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To: aconservaguy
Jesus followed the word of the Father, his Father, which is well documented in the Old Testiment. Read the Holdy Book and learn what is Said.

Selective application of scripture or disagreement with the written word will get one nowhere.

19 posted on 06/06/2002 10:25:33 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: aconservaguy
The Bible never condemn the consumption of alcohol and smoking. The law of biology and anatomy says otherwise. Damaged livers and lung cancer is the result. If one wants to be a sodomite and claims it is not condemn by Scripture, go ahead and pursue the life style, until you run into STD (HIV, Syphillis, HPV).
20 posted on 06/06/2002 10:25:53 AM PDT by Fee
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