WHY I BECAME A PRETERIST

Prophecy Questions Blog ^ | April 10, 2024 | Charles Meek

[Kalamata]

>>Comical reply. However, you question was an outlandish one...and remains so. Now that you’ve been called on it you’re trying to excuse the stupidity of the question.<<

Don’t be silly. You are either too ignorant to recognize a rhetorical question, too proud to admit you were not following the conversation, or you are gaslighting.

>>>>It appears from your attitude that you are having difficulty handling the conversation.<<<<

>>Comical again.<<

Translation: the conversation is too difficult for ealgeone to follow.

>>Trust me...I’ve had debates with people far more knowledgeable than you.<<

You must hide your knowledge in a lock box because I have read nothing but quips and quibbles from you in this thread.

Mr. Kalamata

[Kalamata]

>>>>Regarding Church history, when the inspired people (the elect) were raptured about 66 AD, inspired writings abruptly ceased.<<<<

>>Ok...we’re not dealing in reality any longer in this conversation.<<

I suspected you are ignorant of Church History. You cannot so much as muster up an intelligent challenge to anything I have written.

>>You display a complete lack of knowledge of the Bible, Greek and overall history. You can have the last word.<<

Maybe someday you will enrich our lives with some of the vast knowledge of which you boast. LOL!

Mr. Kalamata

[Kalamata]

>>Some of the early church fathers (Clement of Alexandria, Eusebius, Irenaeus, and Victorinus) wrote that the Apostle John experienced exile on the island of Patmos during the Roman Emperor Domitian’s reign (1:9).3 They wrote that the government allowed John to return to Ephesus after Domitian’s death in A.D. 96. Consequently many conservative interpreters date the writing of this book near A.D. 95 or 96.4 There is good evidence that this was the last of John’s inspired writings.<<

Somehow I missed this post. It has been a busy day (fixing the microwave.)

The list of ECFs that believed John was on Patmos in the 90s seem to have based their understanding on this obscure statement by Irenaeus:

“We will not, however, incur the risk of pronouncing positively as to the name of Antichrist; for if it were necessary that his name should be distinctly revealed in this present time, it would have been announced by him who beheld the apocalyptic vision. For that was seen no very long time since, but almost in our day, towards the end of Domitian’s reign.” [Irenaeus, Against Heresies, in Roberts & Donaldson, “Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol 01: Apostolic Fathers.” Charles Scribner’s Sons, Amer. Ed, 1913, Bk V.30.3, pp.559-560]

Two paragraphs before that one, Irenaeus wrote:

“Such, then, being the state of the case, and this number being found in all the most approved and ancient copies [of the Apocalypse], and those men who saw John face to face bearing their testimony [to it]; while reason also leads us to conclude that the number of the name of the beast, [if reckoned] according to the Greek mode of calculation by the [value of] the letters contained in it, will amount to six hundred and sixty and six;” [Ibid. Bk V.30.1, p.558]

It appears Irenaeus is saying that “ancient copies” were seen “almost in our day, towards the end of Domitian’s reign,” not the original.

>>”5 Kenneth Gentry argued that John wrote Revelation in the late 60s.6 Several writers have refuted this view.7”<<

Gentry makes many good arguments for an early date. I have read statements from many authors who dismiss it, but from none that have refuted it.

There are several arguments in support of an early date that are difficult to dismiss:

1) Not once in the New Testament is the destruction of Jerusalem mentioned as a past event.

Source: John A. T. Robinson, “Redating the New Testament.” Wipf & Stock Publishers, 1976, Chap 2, p.13

2) The seven churches in Asia are not “seven OF the churches in Asia,” but “THE seven churches in Asia.” One biblical scholar wrote that there was only one small window of time when there were exactly seven churches in Asia — the early 60s.

Source: Denis Callaghan, “What You Were Never Told About the Book of Revelation.” Academia.edu

That article by Dr. Callaghan is 155 pages, loaded with data on the Revelation. I highly recommend it.

Mr. Kalamata

[Songcraft]

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[delchiante]

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There will be some who will not taste death before they see the son of man coming in his kingdom” — I always thought that was a reference to the appearing of Jesus in the period up to Ascension and the immediately-following revelation of the holy spirit to the faithful at Pentecost.
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What follows His stating this is an event called the Mount of Transfiguration where He and a remnant went up the mount and saw Him Transfigured, and in the presence of Elijah and Moses, as in the Kingdom.

3 of His disciples didn’t taste death before they saw that.

All the rest had to taste death to see Him in His Kingdom..

And a note to that specific message in Mathew,Mark and Luke.

Only Mathew and Mark state that about 6 days after He said that, the Mount of Transfiguration occurred.

In Luke, it was a two-day delay . About 8 days later..

They didn’t wait two more days and literally go back up the Mount in Luke.

That two day delay in Luke is prophecy unfulfilled..