Posted on 05/18/2023 5:04:16 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
Who is the woman?
Who is the Child?
Who or what is the Earth?
Who is the dragon?
Who are the woman’s offspring?
You stepped in it now...
Go back to sleep...
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Watch your back! Satan’s got her eye on you!
because Jesus only comes back ONCE and every eye will see Him at that time. So, the first (second time, lol) time, according to the early rapture folks, has to be a secret
you all work very hard to convince yourselves and others, you’re going to escape the tribulation due to being raptured out of here before Jesus’s true return. That is not Biblical.
Brother Robb!
Many blessings to you brother!
There is massive urgency right now that we are running out of time.
I pray we all tell at least one or two people today that they need to get Right with Jesus. Believe, Confess, and Repent.
I often wonder why I get hammered for trying to get God’s Truth out. The Lord and His Word has many enemies. But I will absolutely keep them coming. 😉 👍
God Bless You and Your Family!
Explain why the Word “Ekklesia” is not found after Revelation 4 if what you state is true?
Strong’s #1577: ekklesia (pronounced ek-klay-see’-ah)
Where did they go throughout the entire Revelation seals and bowls ordeal?
Also note the phrase “Earth Dwellers” is used throughout Revelation. Who are they? Why would John use that phrase for them?
You say The Church goes through the Trib right? We’re Earth Dwellers too?
God is my protection and salvation.
Can you say the same? Or do you like trying to be cute and funny invoking the demonic realm?
There’s hardly any work in it.
Just read the Word and let the Holy Spirit testify.
Most Christians don’t do that however. I suggest you pray for wisdom before reading Scripture. You’d be surprised how much you might learn.
Ok, that is true...
but...let’s get full context, shall we:
Revelation 11-12
Wycliffe Bible
11-1 And a reed like a rod was given to me, and it was said to me, Rise thou, and mete the temple of God, and the altar, and men that worship in it.
2 But cast thou out the foreyard, that is without the temple, and mete not it [Forsooth cast out the porch, that is without the temple, and mete it not]; for it is given to heathen men, and they shall defoul the holy city by forty months and twain [by forty months and two].
3 And I shall give to my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand days two hundred and sixty, and [they] shall be clothed with sackcloths.
4 These be two olives, and two candlesticks, and they stand in the sight of the Lord of the earth [standing in the sight of the Lord of the earth].
5 And if any man will harm them, fire shall go out of the mouth of them, and shall devour their enemies. And if any [man] will hurt them, thus it behooveth him to be slain.
6 These have power to close heaven [These have power to shut heaven], that it rain not in the days of their prophecy; and they have power on [upon] waters, to turn them into blood; and to smite the earth with every plague [and to smite the earth with all plague, either vengeance], and as oft as they will.
7 And when they shall end their witnessing, the beast that ascendeth up from deepness [the beast that ascendeth up of the deepness], shall make battle against them, and shall overcome them, and shall slay them [and slay them].
8 And the bodies of them shall lie in the streets of the great city, that is called ghostly Sodom, and Egypt, where the Lord of them was crucified.
9 And some of the lineages, and of peoples, and of languages [and tongues], and of heathen men, shall see the bodies of them by three days and an half; and they shall not suffer the bodies of them to be put in burials.
10 And men inhabiting the earth shall have joy on [upon] them; and they shall make merry, and shall send gifts together, for these two prophets tormented them that dwell on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half, the Spirit of life of God entered into them; and they stood on their feet, and great dread fell on them that saw them [and they stood upon their feet, and great dread fell upon them that saw them].
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven, saying to them, Come up hither. And they ascended [up] into heaven in a cloud, and the enemies of them saw them.
13 And in that hour a great earth-moving was made, and the tenth part of the city fell down [and the tenth part of the city fell]; and the names of men seven thousand were slain in the earth-moving [and there be slain in the earth-moving the names of men seven thousand]; and the others were sent into dread, and gave glory to God of heaven.
14 The second woe is gone, and lo! the third woe shall come soon.
15 AND THE SEVENTH ANGEL TRUMPETED [And the seventh angel sang in trump], AND GREAT VOICES WERE MADE IN HEAVEN, AND SAID, The realm of this world is made of our Lord, and of Christ, his Son [saying, The realm of this world is made our Lord’s, and of Christ’s, his Son]; and he shall reign into worlds of worlds. Amen.
16 And the four and twenty elder men [And the four and twenty seniors], that sat in their seats in the sight of the Lord, fell on their faces, and worshipped God,
17 and said [saying], We do thankings to thee, Lord God almighty, which art, and which were, and which art to coming [and which art to come]; which hast taken thy great virtue [that hast taken thy great virtue], and hast reigned.
18 And folks be wroth, and thy wrath came, and time of dead men to be deemed, and to yield meed to thy servants, and prophets, and hallows [and to yield hire to thy servants, prophets, and hallows], and dreading thy name, to small and to great, and to destroy them that corrupt the earth [and to destroy them that corrupted the earth].
19 AND THE TEMPLE OF GOD IN HEAVEN WAS OPENED, AND THE ARK OF HIS TESTAMENT WAS SEEN IN HIS TEMPLE; AND LIGHTNINGS WERE MADE, AND VOICES, AND THUNDERS, AND EARTH-MOVERS, AND GREAT HAIL.
12-1 And a great sign appeared in heaven; a woman clothed with the SUN, and the MOON under her feet, and IN the head of her a crown of TWELVE STARS.
2 And she had in womb, and she crieth [And she having in womb, or being with child; and she cried], travailing of child, and is tormented, that she bear child.
3 And ANOTHER SIGN was seen in heaven; and lo! A GREAT RED DRAGON, that had SEVEN heads [having seven heads], and TEN horns, and in the heads of him SEVEN DIADEMS.
4 And the TAIL of him drew the THIRD PART of [the] STARS of heaven, and sent them into the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman, that was to bearing child, that when she had born child, he should devour her son.
5 And she bare a man child, that was to ruling all folks in an iron rod [that was to rule all folks in an iron rod]; and her son was snatched (up) to God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman flew INTO WILDERNESS, where she hath a place made ready of God, that he feed her there a THOUSAND days TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY.
7 And a great battle [And great battle] was made in heaven, and Michael and his angels fought with the dragon. And the dragon fought, and his angels;
8 and they had not might [more], neither the place of them was found more in heaven.
9 And THAT DRAGON was cast down, the GREAT OLD SERPENT, that is called the DEVIL, and SATAN, that DECEIVETH ALL the world; he was cast down [cast out] into the earth, and his angels were sent with him.
10 And I heard a GREAT VOICE in heaven, saying, NOW is MADE HEALTH, and VIRTUE, and KINGDOM of OUR GOD, and the POWER of HIS CHRIST; for the ACCUSER of OUR BRETHREN is CAST DOWN, which accused them before the sight of our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him for the blood of the lamb, and for the word of his witnessing; and they loved not their lives till to the death [and they loved not their souls, or lives, unto the death].
12 Therefore, ye heavens, BE YE GLAD, [Therefore, glad ye, heavens] and YE THAT DWELL IN THEM. Woe to the earth, and to the sea; for the FIEND is COME DOWN to you, and HATH GREAT WRATH [having great wrath], WITTING that HE HATH LITTLE TIME.
13 And after that the dragon saw, that he was cast down into the earth, he pursued the woman, that bare the man child.
14 And two wings of a great eagle were given to the woman, that she should fly INTO DESERT [that she should flee into desert], INTO HER PLACE, where she is FED BY TIME, and TIMES, and HALF A TIME, from the FACE of the SERPENT.
15 And the serpent sent out of his mouth after the woman water as a flood, that he should make her to be drawn of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened his mouth, and swallowed up the flood [and sopped up the flood], that the dragon sent [out] of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was WROTH against the WOMAN [is wroth to the woman], and he went to MAKE BATTLE with OTHERS of HER SEED, that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and HAVE THE WITNESSING OF JESUS CHRIST.
18 And he stood on the gravel of the sea. [And he stood upon the gravel of the sea.]
13-1 And I saw a beast ascending up of the sea, having seven heads, and ten horns; and on his horns ten diadems, and on his heads the names of blasphemy[a].
2 And the beast, whom I saw, was like a pard [was like to a pard, or a leopard], and his feet as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion; and the dragon gave his virtue and great power to him [and the dragon gave to that his virtue and great power].
3 And I saw one of his heads, as slain into death; and the wound of his death was cured [and the wound of his death is cured, or healed]. And all the earth wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon, that gave power to the beast; and they worshipped the beast, and said, Who is like to the beast, and who shall be able to fight with it [saying, Who is like to the beast, and who shall be able to fight with him]?
5 And a mouth speaking great things, and blasphemies, was given to it [is given to him]; and power was given to it [and power is given to him], to do two and forty months.
6 And it opened his mouth into blasphemies to God[b], to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given to him to make battle with saints, and to overcome them; and power was given to him into each lineage [into all lineages], and people, and language [and tongue], and folk.
8 And all men worshipped it, that dwell in earth, whose names be not written in the book of life of the lamb, that was slain from the beginning of the world.
(Translations what they are, but I’m not sure of your context. This is context of what John sees when the heavens are opened, and my opinion is it is a glimpse into the spiritual war that the mother is hidden in the wilderness for 1260 days (3 1/2 years) and then he pursues her again where she is hidden in the desert for time (1x), times (2x), and half time (1/2 year) (another 3 1/2 years). During that time, he tried to flood her out of the desert but failed. Only then does he pursue the rest of her offspring and then the beasts appear. Regardless of opinions on rapture, even if you are killed by the Enemy, it will be sudden, frantic, and you wont suffer the beasts’ wraths...rejoice that you will receive your white garments and watch the best movie you have ever seen from the best seat in the world.)
Also, of note, I use the Wycliffe because he is the frontrunner for all of the other translations, the predecessor of King Henry’s version, the King James Version. Enought that he was excommunicated, his body exhumed and the lon-dead corpse burnt. They went to that much trouble to send a message that the transcriptions were not supposed to ever be seen by us. So they will say that he was a heretic and because he didn’t believe in what the church in Rome was ultimately saying, he should be destroyed. But the Holy Spirit says otherwise, and that’s how discernment falls unto me. Get the originals if you can, and if they’re trying to kill you for releasing it, you might be on to something they don’t want you to see...
FWIW
God is my protection and salvation.
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Actually God despises sinners like you so no doubt she has you on the fast track to Hades! Now be a good girl and plead on your belly that she will have mercy on you and forgive you for your countless sins!
The dragon has no ability to do anything until the restrainer (2 Thessalonians 2:7) is removed. Is he active during the Tribulation? Obviously. But he is an instrument, and does not control the agenda.
——>The dragon has no ability to do anything until the restrainer (2 Thessalonians 2:7) is removed.
Every Early Church Father, except one, said that the restrainer was Pagan Rome. Countless Reformers said the same. Believers in the PTR hate hearing that because it directly contradicts their position.
https://www.biblelightinfo.com/fathers-on-antichrist.htm
——>Revelation 3:10
“Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.”
——>You’re saying this isn’t Biblical? Even though it’s written in the Bible?
That was written to the church of Philadelphia, which is prophetically one church behind us. We are living in the last church, which is Laodicea. We will be going through the tribulation, if alive at that time.
No, He needs to purify her. How is that usually accomplished in our lives?
Folks can still be good Christians regardless of their views on the end times - Rapture or whatever other viewpoint. But when has God EVER kept His chosen people (Jews and/or Christians) from going through tribulations? But by going through those tribulations we grow and can be a light unto others.
——>Not true and nobody says it’s SECRET.
——>You made it up just like you usually do.
Wrong again as usual.
E. R. Sandeen: “Darby introduced into discussion at Powerscourt (1833) the ideas of a SECRET rapture of the church and of a parenthesis in prophetic fulfillment between the sixty-ninth and seventieth weeks of Daniel. These two concepts constituted the basic tenets of the system of theology since referred to as dispensationalism” (E.R. Sandeen, The Roots of Fundamentalism 1800-1930, University of Chicago Press, 1970)
Edmund Shackleton: All who held the premillennial Coming of Christ were, till about sixty years ago, of one mind on the subject. About that time a new view was promulgated that the Coming of Christ was not one event, but that it was divided into stages, in fact, that Christ comes twice from heaven to earth, but the first time only as far as the air. This first descent, it is said, will be for the purpose of removing the Church from the world, and will occur before the Great Tribulation under Antichrist. This they call “The coming for His saints” or “SECRET Rapture.” The second part of the Coming is said to take place when Christ appears in glory and destroys the Antichrist. This they call “The coming with His saints.
Apart from the test of the Word, which is the only final one, there are certain reasons why this doctrine should be viewed with suspicion. It appears to be little more than sixty years old; and it seems highly improbable that if scriptural it could have escaped the scrutiny of the many devoted Bible students whose writings have been preserved to us from the past. More especially in the writings of the early Christian fathers would we expect to find some notice of this doctrine, if it had been taught by the Apostles; but those who have their works declare that they betray no knowledge of a theory that the Church would escape the Tribulation under Antichrist, or that there would be any “coming” except that spoken of in Matthew 24, as occurring in manifest glory “after the Tribulation.” This is all the more sig nificant, because these writers bestowed much attention upon the subject of the Antichrist and the Great Tribulation. Augustine, referring to Daniel 7, wrote: “But he who reads this passage even half asleep cannot fail to see that the kingdom of Antichrist shall fiercely, though for a short time, assail the Church.” (Edmund Shackleton, Will the Church Escape the Great Tribulation? pp. 31, 32, cited by Alexander Reese, The Approaching Advent of Christ, p. 231.)
Here’s a nice little gem...(the PTR doctrine is a fabrication)
Harry Ironside (4) : In 1908 Ironside claimed Darby had rediscovered the apostolic teaching lost to the church: “Until brought to the fore through the writings and the preaching and teaching of the distin guished ex-clergyman, Mr. J. N. Darby, in the early part of the last century, [the pretribulational rap ture] is scarcely to be found in a single book or sermon throughout a period of sixteen hundred years! If any doubt this statement, let them search, as the writer has in measure done, the remarks of the so- called Fathers, both pre- and post-Nicene, the theological treatises of the scholastic divines, Roman Catholic writers of all shades of thought; the literature of the reformation; the sermons and expositions of the Puritans; and the general theological works of the day. He will find “the mystery” conspicuous by its absence”. (Harry A. Ironside, The Mysteries of God, New York: Loizeaux Brothers, 1908, pp 50– 51).
Where exactly does it say the Church needs to be purified?
LOL!
Get behind me satan...
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