Posted on 03/21/2020 2:16:32 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
In a typical display of unbridled greed, sleazy televangelist Kenneth Copeland warns followers that even if they lose their job because of the coronavirus pandemic they must keep giving him money because Jesus.
Today we bring you Old Demon Eyes himself, Kenneth Copeland, and be forewarned, he is really, really mad at unemployed, coronavirus quarantined Christians. Just when I think that Laodicean crooks like Kenneth Copeland, Paula White and all the others cannot possibly get any lower or more disgusting, they do. But Kenneth Copeland, as you will see in this video, is in a class all by himself when it comes to sleaze.
FEAR OF THIS CORONAVIRUS IS FAITH IN ITS ABILITY TO HURT YOU OR KILL YOU. THE FEAR OF ‘WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? I’M GETTING LAID OFF AT WORK!’
HEY! YOUR JOB’S NOT YOUR SOURCE. IF IT IS, YOU’RE IN TROUBLE. JESUS IS YOUR SOURCE! WHATEVER YOU DO RIGHT NOW, DON’T YOU STOP TITHING! DON’T YOU STOP SOWING OFFERINGS.
‘WELL, THEY WON’T LET US GO TO CHURCH!’
WELL, EMAIL IT IN, THEN! TEXT TOGETHER. SOMETHING. BUT YOU GET YOUR TITHE IN THAT CHURCH IF YOU HAVE TO GO TAKE IT DOWN THERE AND DROP IT OFF… STICK IT UNDER THE DOOR OR SOMETHING. YOU GET THAT TITHE IN THAT CHURCH, YOU GET THAT OFFERING IN THAT CHURCH, AND THEN YOU GO HOME AND DO WHAT YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
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Yeah...and in your original post to me you also purposely tried to smear my "theology" by twisting what I wrote.
"...By your theology Bernie Madoff was a very godly man truly blessed..."
I'll suggest that does you no more credit than twisting what Copeland said to convince others of some pre-determined personal opinion.
You have a problem. It is either of comprehension, or with understanding basic arguments or it is with the truth.
Please cite where I said God “always blesses His faithful with worldly blessing...”
I have REPEATEDLY said that wealth, provision, prosperity and health, vigor and long life are BLESSINGS and that He views them as such. I have also stated that He sees lack, want, poverty, sickness and disease as CURSES.
And I have asked you (since you wanna argue about it constantly) to provide scripture that shows that He doesn’t.
You haven’t and you can’t.
God/Jesus want the whole world to be saved. They ain’t gonna be.
That is not the measure we use to determine His desire towards us.
We go by what He says, by what He tells us. Not by what man’s experience is.
Jesus chastised the disciples over and over for their lack of faith, trying time and again to illustrate it to them.
I am trying to believe God for everything He is offering us and trying to believe as much or more as the disciples.
Please quit trying to get in the way. Whether you like to hear it or not, you are trying to insinuate yourself between me and my relationship with the Father and the Son. YOU, sir, are being used as a tool in an attempt to water down the Gospel to those who read your posts. YOU are not being bold in your faith, but careful, accusing of the faithful, and have not posted a single affirming thing about the power of the Almighty God and His Son, Jesus.
Your whole posting history to me on this thread has been a defense of God’s withholding blessing and you have not once declared His enmity with curses. You are a servant of tradition and not of faith.
I am sorry to write to you this way, but you won’t stop selling a weak, remote, uncaring Father. If your own child was sick, you’d do whatever you could do to deliver it from that. But you refuse to say that God, who loves us beyond our own comprehension, wouldn’t desire the same.
Also, quit using those idiotic arguments and quit debating topics that aren’t being debated.
So, Fido...
I got to wondering:
What is the sticker for you?
1. Do you wonder if God CAN provide health/provision? Or,
2. Do you wonder if He is WILLING/WANTS His children to enjoy health/provision? Or,
3. Do you wonder if He is WILLING and CAN provide health/provision to YOU...personally?
Because if you believe all three of these in the affirmative, we’re in agreement.
If you don’t believe one (or more) of them, which is it/are they?
“Kenneth Copeland has gotten very rich preaching his brand of the gospel.
Lots of money, lots of perks, lots of land.
Preaching appears to be very profitable.
Whether he’s preaching to save souls or fatten his bank account I will let each person decide.”
That’s my original post to you.
Nowhere in that post did I smear your theology.
You’re so caught up in defending your beliefs you can’t keep your posts (or mine) straight.
If your three statements were true, then no one would be sick. Or at least I, or any of God’s people, wouldn’t get sick.
The fact that Godly people are sick - and that earthy good and bad fall on the good and evil alike (a well-established Biblical principle)- and accepting that God’s will be done, proves that your basic assumptions are wrong.
Here are two simple truths:
(1) God wants us to have free will, regardless of the result.
(2) God wants us to accept Jesus and His sacrifice so we can live with Him forever, if that is our desire.
The rest is a distraction.
I quoted you, dude.
With quotes and in Italics.
In post #142 you literally said, “...By your theology Bernie Madoff was a very godly man truly blessed...”
It’s not true. It’s a lie and you know it’s a lie.
It’s a smear.
Don’t wanna man up and ‘fess up, okay. But don’t deny it when I can still see the post on FR.
I refer you to Philippians 3:7-8.
Wait...
You’re not reading my posts are you?
I said, God wants the whole world to be saved, but the whole world isn’t gonna be. That’s not because God doesn’t desire it or hasn’t created the way for it to be accomplished. Someone arguing with you that they don’t believe in salvation doesn’t mean it’s not real and available to them.
The same holds true for health and provision. Just because you don’t believe it, doesn’t mean it ain’t so.
Also, I asked which of the 3 statements do you NOT believe.
You still just won’t answer that very simple question.
Because that’s where you’re stuck. And that will be the point at which our disagreement lies.
??
Where does God say that health/prosperity/provision are curses?
You’re having to work at this too hard.
That wasn’t in my ORIGINAL post to you.
I replied back to your cherry picked bible verses post with that quote.
And it’s not a lie. It’s an opinion.
Maybe you’re the only one allowed to have one of those.
Sorry, dude.
It WASN’T in your original post. Mea Culpa.
But you did say it.
So, I’ll just ask you: Do you believe that I believe that “...Bernie Madoff was a very godly man truly blessed...”?
I’m actually giving you credit for not being a complete buffoon by calling you out as lying about what I’ve written about what I believe. Because you don’t see anywhere anything that I’ve written that says riches is proof of Godliness.
Like the man said, “You’re entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.” And I’ve never even hinted that being rich makes one Godly. Only that God sees wealth as a blessing and poverty/want as a curse.
That’s not so hard to differentiate, is it?
Or, is it?
[and since when is giving numerous references to back up a statement called “cherry-picking”? Isn’t it usually kind of expected? I don’t see you providing references backing up your claim that I was “cherry-picking”.]
But whatever were gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. 8. What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ
Seems like Paul considered those "blessings" to be, in fact, curses to him.
God's will be done. When we, who are faithful are not healed, it is because God wills it.
Certainly, our will may be for healing, blessing, wealth, pleasure. But God determines what we will get. Health or sickness, wealth or poverty, that may be God's will for us.
"give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus." - 1 Thessalonians 5:18
To say: "God wills us to be healthy and financially wealthy" is found to be false by simple evidence.
Certainly, He is capable of it. But the fact that He sometimes doesn't do it means simply: It is not His will.
And it is the superimposition of our own will on that of God that is false theology, and a misunderstanding of the authority of God.
It is when we refuse to accept God's will when it goes against our will that separation from God and damnation is danger.
Oh my, no...
He says that they are garbage in comparison to the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus. Which is the correct way of viewing “things”.
Come on, dude. Why are you trying to sell poverty to me as a blessing and provision from God as a curse?
You haven’t even admitted once that the MANY scriptures about blessing (financial and health) from God WAY outnumber the very few that you’ve picked out. And the ones you’ve picked don’t say what you try to make them say.
Can’t you just say something like, “I don’t understand why if God wants us well that we aren’t all well!”, or “I don’t understand why there is still want in Christians’ lives if God wants to provide for us!”
Those are reasonable and very good “wonderments”.
But denying that scripture has clearly delineated blessings and curses is fruitless and vain.
Within 10 minutes, I could post 50 or more scriptures stating clearly what God sees as blessings.
It’s vast and it’s clear.
Yep. Stuck.
You believe God wills us to be sick sometimes. You believe God wants to die from disease sometimes.
You believe He has some “purpose” in it. You believe He may want to “learn something” or to “show us something” or something that you would never do. You would rightly condemn someone who did those things to their own children.
God is no “respecter of persons”. He wants all to be saved. To know that there are those that will not be saved (scriptural), but to say that that is simple evidence that He DOESN’T want the whole world to be saved is calling the Word a lie.
But you use the same logic with health and prosperity.
By your faith be it done to you. You shouldn’t have any problem with that.
Let’s leave it at that.
So, then, you're saying God's will is NOT done.
I guess it's all about what YOU want, then. If you like we can leave it at that, but consider the magnitude of the error you are making. Remember the first one who demanded his will.
That is correct. God’s will is not always done. He “...not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” However, as the scripture also says, “...for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.”
But you know all of this.
It’s not His will, but by their choices many are lost.
Same with His blessings. Many are too caught up in their works and their “sinfulness” to see their completed righteousness and their inheritance.
And stop with the supercilious attitude of stating that I’m in error. It is your opinion.
And the conversation we’ve had today demonstrates that you don’t even know what my positions are; don’t WANT to understand them; only want to leap to and proclaim judgment; and haven’t made a sound, scriptural argument, yet.
It’s like you’re repeating something someone else said or wrote, but have no real understanding of them. Because your responses don’t square with the points I make or the questions I ask.
So, we agree on something at least. I don’t believe God’s will is done all of the time.
What choice does a baby make who dies of cancer? God could cure the baby, and no human would object.
So maybe God doesn't want everyone to be healthy and wealthy.
Maybe he wants something else. Perhaps you're barking up the wrong tree.
Anyway, you have no idea about me. Your complaints about me make me laugh.
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