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Does purgatory deny the sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice?
CARM ^ | 12/05/08 | Matt Slick

Posted on 11/05/2018 6:07:05 PM PST by Gamecock

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To: BarbM

How do you know?


41 posted on 11/05/2018 7:17:42 PM PST by Wm F Buckley Republican (?)
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To: Wm F Buckley Republican
You just do not believe that Christ dying on the cross and rising again was enough, do you?

I believe that our Lord's sacrifice on the cross is sufficient for the forgiveness of of my sins. I also believe that even after this forgiveness that there remains damage to my soul that needs to be healed before I can be perfectly united to God in Heaven.

42 posted on 11/05/2018 7:18:00 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: BarbM

BarbM,

I understand that there is a “religion based upon man“… If you keep control of the people that follow that religion there has been instituted many false doctrines. Purgatory is simply one of them.

I look for on fight with you… Nor would I avail myself to it if presented. But I will tell you this ...That the Word of God… That of which not one crossed “t” or dotted i will pass away for all eternity has the following to say concerning “purgatory”…

“To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord”

When presented with “man’s doctrines” that contradict the very words of God through Christ… I will always choose to follow the living word.

Best to you.


43 posted on 11/05/2018 7:18:17 PM PST by RevelationDavid (Jesus First, no matter the cost.)
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To: Petrosius

How do you know when it’s healed and how do you know what you must do to heal it?


44 posted on 11/05/2018 7:24:26 PM PST by Wm F Buckley Republican (?)
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To: ctdonath2

If anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, the work of each will come to light, for the Day will disclose it. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each one’s work. If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage. But if someone’s work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved, but only as through fire. (1 Cor. 3:12-15)


45 posted on 11/05/2018 7:28:28 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Wm F Buckley Republican
How do you know when it’s healed and how do you know what you must do to heal it?

I will be healed when there is no longer any inclination toward sin remaining in me. What must I do? While here on earth cooperate with the grace of God to die to my selfishness and sin no more. If this work is incomplete at my death, then I leave it up to God to finish the cleansing of my soul in Purgatory so that I can enjoy eternal life with him in Heaven. After all, the Bible declares than nothing unclean will enter into Heaven (cf. Rev. 21:27)

47 posted on 11/05/2018 7:36:57 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Bullish

The whole Catholic church is a scam, has been from the get go.


48 posted on 11/05/2018 7:37:34 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Gamecock

Yes.

Next question.


49 posted on 11/05/2018 7:41:26 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: Bulwyf
The whole Catholic church is a scam, has been from the get go.

Since Catholicism (not the 16th century invention of Martin Luther) is the original form or Christianity, you are saying more than you think.

50 posted on 11/05/2018 7:46:20 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: All

A whole thread set up by tickytackytrolls.

Good Night.


51 posted on 11/05/2018 7:50:03 PM PST by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: LukeL

Purgatory can best be described as the Bosom of Abraham. This was where Christ went to get those who died before his death who were justified by their faith, but lacked the sufficient work of a perfect sacrifice.

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Whut? Abraham’s bosom is mentioned once, Luke 16, and Abraham is there with Lazarus, living in comfort. It is a place of joy.


52 posted on 11/05/2018 7:52:41 PM PST by lurk
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To: Petrosius

But Christ already did it. Accept it for what it is—a gift.


53 posted on 11/05/2018 7:55:58 PM PST by Wm F Buckley Republican (?)
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To: Wm F Buckley Republican
But Christ already did it. Accept it for what it is—a gift.

You claim to have faith. Are you clean of all sin and of all inclination of sin? Will your faith keep you from ever sinning in the future?

54 posted on 11/05/2018 7:59:35 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: lurk

That is my point, it was the grave. It was not a place of torture but it was no where near the joy of being with God. Original sin still tainted the souls of every person before the death of Christ. The OT hints at two types of afterlife in the grave. 1 is the bosom of Abraham and the 2nd is a place of torture or “fire”.


55 posted on 11/05/2018 8:06:25 PM PST by LukeL
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To: Petrosius

No, iI am human and I sin daily. I do not intend to sin but I believe God knew I wa going to sin so he sent his Son to die for me. I am purified by Jesus’ blood. I remember the day I got that through my head. I believe that none of my sins will be so bad 5hat Jesus’ death and resurrection will not cover. He died for me and He died for you.


56 posted on 11/05/2018 8:10:40 PM PST by Wm F Buckley Republican (?)
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To: Petrosius

Catholicism is not the original form of Christianity. The problem is a lot of things that are claimed are not actual biblical teachings etc. The “true” rc Church will eventually form up with Islam and be the one world religion.


57 posted on 11/05/2018 8:13:56 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf
The whole Catholic church is a scam, has been from the get go.

I know, I've taken a lot of heat when I've tried to point out the fallacies on the catholic threads here on FR. As far as I'm concerned it seems catholics allow the church to practice their "Christianity" for them and all they need to do is say repetitive prayers and go to mass and confession, neither of which come from the Bible. That's just for starters but I won't elaborate.

I never meant to hurt anyone's feelings or anything on those threads, I was trying to shed some light to them. I've been labeled a bigoted anti-catholic from posters on those threads. I don't care, I consider myself an enlightened, born again Christian who is saved only by the grace of God through Jesus. I try to avoid those catholic threads these days. I do pray for them to see the light though.

58 posted on 11/05/2018 8:42:41 PM PST by Bullish (I'm not going to say "I told you so" about FaceBook... I'm just going to put it in my tagline.)
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To: LukeL
The fact that the son repented and sought his Father’s love again filled the Father with enough joy that all the son’s sins were forgiven and FORGOTTEN.

Except for the many sleepless nights and pangs of conscience which the son subsequently suffered, because he knew what an idiot he had been.

That could be purgatory!

Regards,

59 posted on 11/05/2018 8:51:57 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Gamecock

Why do Jews pray for the dead?


60 posted on 11/05/2018 9:04:23 PM PST by Romulus
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