Posted on 11/17/2017 3:03:09 PM PST by ebb tide
Well; I hope that the KJ translators rendered then to US accurately!!
We ALL know that the NIV boys would screw them up!!
Remember what your bible says about apparitions and false gospel?
Of COURSE!!!
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1 Kings 19:18
"Yet I reserve seven thousand in Israel-all whose knees have not bowed down to Baal and whose mouths have not kissed him."
There is no 'question' about it: it DOES!
But; so does EVERY other 'church' on earth.
The REAL 'question' is...
Does the non-biblical things added to or taken away from pure SCRIPTURE harm or hinder a person's ability to BELIEVE and be SAVED?
Yet our FR Catholic friends are ADAMENT that they were ALL CATHOLIC.
Still; they avoid trying to spin just WHY these 'Catholic' churches were SO full of error.
After all; they were SO close to the very beginning of EVERYTHING; Christianity wise.
I was asking a question.
AMPU, if I understood, made a reasonable assertion (with which I disagree) that the words “pillar and foundation of truth” are spoken of the local church. So I am holding that idea in my hands and turning it in the light and so forth, just to get to know it and its implications and ramifications.
Hey, AMPU. I just realized that your handle can be construed thus: Amore! Perfect Union! (I really shouldn’t get on line before my coffee.)
So basically you’re saying the cure for loneliness is to be found in Palmyra NY?
The pursuit of love is full of surprises.
Well, two things:
1) “What the Catholic Church teaches” is a clause which needs examination. There’s what some Catholics, including clergy, say, and then there’s the official teaching.
2) There’s an important diffwrence between “I have no question,” and “There is no question.”
Yup!!
JESUS: Hey Smith! Remember that boast you made about doing more than even I had done to hold the 'church' together?
JOSEPH SMITH: Where am I?
JESUS: Don't you remember? A few seconds ago you were in that jail.
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah; but where am I NOW?
JESUS: Don't you remember? Does bang - bang ring a bell?
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah - that crummy gun I had was about USELESS!
JESUS: I hope you left instructions on how to hold your church together.
JOSEPH SMITH: Dang! I knew there was SOMETHING I was forgetting!
JESUS: Looks like there's a power struggle going on down there.
JOSEPH SMITH: Yeah; there was always SOMEone who wanted the power that I held - especially over the LADIES - wink wink.
JESUS: No need to worry about that now; remember what my friend Matthew wrote down?
JOSEPH SMITH: This? At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven (Matthew 22:30)
JESUS: That's it.
JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.
JESUS: Nah - it was right.
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh well; it was fun while it lasted. My buds will still get it on with the girls.
JESUS: Uh; I'm sorry; in just a few more years; your followers will cavein to the United States government and abandon the 'Eternal Covenant' that you came up with.
JOSEPH SMITH: ME!? YOU are the one that told me to do that!
JESUS: Sorry; but you must have mistranslated what I told you. What part of Do NOT commit ADULTERY did you not understand?
JOSEPH SMITH: mumble....
JESUS: What did you say?
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, nothing.
JESUS: Well; it was interesting talking to you; but now I must get back to perparing a place for those who believe in Me.
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, yeah; the Celestial Kingdom.
JESUS: No...
JOSEPH SMITH: The Telestial one?
JESUS: Nope.
JOSEPH SMITH: SUREly not the TERRESTRIAL one!!
JESUS: Nope. Didn't you read that the mind of man had NOT conceived of it? Paul wrote it down in 1 Corinthians 2:9.
JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.
JESUS: No; it wasn't.
JOSEPH SMITH: You SURE?
JESUS: Yes. Now I must be going: what did you say your name was again?
JOSEPH SMITH: Joseph Smith.
JESUS: Hmmmm. According to my Heavenly FAITHbook, you didn't sign in as one of my friends - sorry, I never knew you.
JOSEPH SMITH: But....
I was a super bad catholic. I didnt even think I was good enough to qualify for Purgatory. My mortal sin meter spun so fast, you could use it as a fan.
Now that I am in the know, I know that the only Purgatory that really exists, is in Colorado. Good skiing too. 😀😆😄
I hate when that happens.
Roger that! 😂
Actually when Hugo Chavez and Ted Kennedy RCs are basically promised salvation thru the merits and power of Rome, and some semblance of faith, then RCs may have the widest assurance road of salvation, leading to damnation in reality.
Since only real believers have and will realize the promise of eternal life, (1Jn. 2:25) then Catholics cannot lose what they never had. But I do see believers as believers being warned of recanting their faith, and forfeiting what it appropriated, as explained here .
AMPU MAY be suggesting that there is no one true church at all. I wanted to look at that idea. A conversation which assumes that there is and then asks if the Roman Catholic Church is it is really logically later.
There is but one church, which is all who have entrusted themselves to Christ alone for salvation and eternal life.
Eternal life is only in Him.
His Body is made up of the saved, who are baptized into it by the Spirit.
The expression of His Church occurs locally, where believers live out His life. This is all you see in Scripture and what Paul wrote about to the churches in each city. These inspired letters were circulated to other churches and recognized as Scripture at that time.
Historically, when the Church was attacked from within and without, a council of leaders from these churches was called to speak with one voice.
What you said was true... as soon as many people join the same conversation, it becomes fragmented.
Best to you.
AMPU, if I understood, made a reasonable assertion (with which I disagree) that the words pillar and foundation of truth are spoken of the local church.
To clarify, spoken to Timothy about his local church and every local church.
A conversation which assumes that there is and then asks if the Roman Catholic Church is it, is really logically later.
Not much has changed...
Acts 15 Version 1.54
The Council at Fresno...
1 Certain Catholics came from all across the world to FreeRepublic and were trying to convince the believers: "Unless you are Catechized, according to the custom taught by Rome, you cannot be saved." 2 This brought Elsie and Metmom ETAL into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Elsie and Metmom were appointed, along with some other believers, to lurk on FR to see the Catholics and NON about this question. 3 The Holy Spirit sent them on their way, and as they traveled through the Religion Forum, they told how the NON-Catholics had been converted. This news made all the Protestants very glad. 4 When they came to FR, they were scorned by members of the ONE TRUE church, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Catholics stood up and said, "The Protestants must be baptisted correctly and required to keep the laws of Rome!"
6 The posters met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Metmom got up and addressed them: "Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Protestants might hear from our fingers the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Protestants a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are."
12 The whole of FR became silent (Yeah; THAT's gonna happen!) as they listened to Elsie and Metmom telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Protestants. 13 When they finished, Boatbums spoke up. "Brothers," she said, "listen to me. 14 MGinTN has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
16 "'After this I will return
and rebuild Rome's fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Protestants who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things'
18 things known from long ago.19 "It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Protestants who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from vision and apparations, from Brown Scapulas, from the endless repetitions of the ROSARY and from so-called blood. 21 For the laws of Rome has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the sanctuaries on every Sunday."
The Council's Letter to Gentile Believers
22 Then the posters and lurkers, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Fresno with Mark17 and Tennessee Nana. They chose Daniel121 (called Wise) and eagleone, men who were leaders among the believers. 23 With them they sent the following letter:The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
Farewell.
30 So the men were sent off and continued to post on FR, where they gathered the people together and delivered the GOSPEL. 31 The people (most all except Salvation and Vlademir998) read it and were glad for its encouraging message.
I read something that is unreal. A news article I read yesterday said this pope said Jesus was not real. Did he really say that? If so, why do Catholics still hang around. That goes along with another statement I read. A Catholic priest said Christians should not celebrate Christmas. I agree it has become a holiday to go broke buying gifts and people seem to have forgotten what the real reason is but I will tell everyone Merry Christmas. What is going on? God bless.
So now I will think for a year or so about the opinion you've expressed. Maybe next Thanksgiving (if I'm alive) I'll have some brilliant rejoinder.
But in the meantime and always, praise and blessing to him who is the source and end of all good.
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