Is Pope Francis a Liberal Protestant?

First Things ^ | November 15, 2017 | Gerald McDermott

[Mark17]

I know the difference because I read the Bible.

You don’t.

Ouch. That’s going to leave a scar.

When I was a Roman Catholic, several decades ago, I was always told I could not read the Bible unless I had a priest to interpret for me. Since I am a totally rebellious person, that was like putting a red cape in a bull’s face. I was so rebellious, that when they told me I couldn’t read the Bible on my own, the first thing I did, was go get a Bible, and start reading it and interpreting it for myself. I am glad I was so rebellious. It got me reading the Bible. It was completely different from what I had been taught, but you already know that. 😀😆😄😁👍

[Mark17]

He shakes his sandals so much...

There’s no dust left!

Well, it seems like there is a shortage of so many things in the world, we might as well have a shortage of dust too. 🤗😂🤪😆

[Mark17]

Playing chess with pigeons again bro? 😁😆😀😂

[Elsie]

Francis is not a Protestant.

Once a Catholic; ALWAYS a Catholic!

Right ET?

[Elsie]

I just LOVE the smell of REBELLION in the morning!

Faithful 'CATHOLICS' going bat spit crazy over their dear leader!!

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Well; at least LUTHER is getting a rest!!!

[Elsie]

Do not question God.

Or the pope.

[Elsie]

Do not question God.

Can you still be pissed at Him?

For ALLOWING your precious church to be LED by such a man?

[Elsie]

The Pope’s spontaneous statements and sometimes whacky utterances do not make for Catholic doctrine or theology any more than the Rev. Al Sharpton speaks for Protestants.

Then just WHY are so many of you Catholics wearing wadded panties these days?

Do you think that your collective whining and moaning is actually going to CHANGE anything in the Leadership of the church??

[Elsie]

Pretty sure ebb is innocent on both counts.

Then just what IS he guilty of?

His arrogance is in full view and his spite of his pope is as well.

[metmom]

Neither of which have any relation to the comment you made.

It’s not about bashing anyone nor is it about *proving* Catholicism isn’t Biblical.

It’s about the claim that Catholics keep making about how much Scripture they hear in mass over the years, which isn’t as much as most Catholics seem to think it is.

[metmom]

My definition of a valid pope isn’t important as I am not a Catholic.

Your sis because you claim to be.

So that’s not an out to not answer the question.

[Elsie]

Even the non-Catholics see that he is not Catholic.

So much for your mindreading; for THIS 'non' sees that he IS Catholic - through and through!

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You folks have NOT thrown THESE guys under the bus; but merely excuse their many foibles as indicative of being just human; after all.

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Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.^[1]

Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy

Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy

Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.^[2]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.^[3]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony^[4]

Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

[Elsie]

Yet the prots take delight in using him as tool to attack the traditional Catholic Church, as Bergoglio does also.

You make Luther smile!

[metmom]

But the issue wasn’t about whether the mass was Biblical or not.

The comment which started you chiming in was ealgeone’s post 147 which said, “Considering how little of the Bible Roman Catholics hear at Mass...”, which you copied and pasted and said was completely false.

The issue is how much of the Bible Catholics hear in a mass. So instead of just saying that ealgeone’s comment was false and then demanding him to prove that it’s not, the onus is on you to prove how much of the Bible Catholics DO hear in the mass.

So please try to stay on topic.

[Elsie]

Every man, his own pope!

Similar to the bruin in the woodland; the OTHER eternal question --->

Is the pope Catholic?

[metmom]

L: Why shouldn’t we be concerned about your faith?

et:You sound like a muslim now.

So by default then, not caring about someone's faith is the purview of Catholics, right?

[Elsie]

Or do you just snipe Catholic threads?

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Why do Christians extol Mary so highly, calling her nobler than the Cherubim, incomparably greater than the Seraphim, raised above the heavens, purer than the very rays of the sun? For she was a woman, of the race of David, born to Anne her mother and Joachim her father, who was son of Panther. Panther and Melchi were brothers, sons of Levi, of the stock of Nathan, whose father was David of the tribe of Judah.

 

 

Translation from Williams, A. Lukyn (1935), Adversus Judaeos: a bird's-eye view of Christian apologiae until the Renaissance, Cambridge University Press, pp. 184–185, OCLC 747771

[Elsie]

John alone tells us that the disciples were also there, and he only, moreover, refers to the fact of his own presence, and this in order that he may record Christ's committal of His mother to his care. Standing back and gazing out upon that mixed multitude, we notice the women, the soldiers, the malefactors, the centurion, the chief priests, the members of the Sanhedrin, the group of His own disciples, and in addition to these, the vast multitudes of people from the whole surrounding country. All sorts and conditions of men are gathered to the Cross, representative crowds, the whole scene being a picture and a prophecy of how, through all the centuries, every sort and condition would be gathered to the uplifted Cross of the Son of man.

Adapted from The Crises of the Christ, Book V, Chapter XXIV, by G. Campbell Morgan.

[Elsie]

I am in communion with all the Catholic popes.

I see...

[metmom]

And once a priest, always a priest.

And he can perform a valid mass and valid sacraments no matter what heinous sin he’s involved in as long as his *intent* is pure.