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Francis denigrates soldiers, referring to us as "warmongers."
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| November 2, 2017
| Paul Anthonly Melanson
Posted on 11/03/2017 11:44:30 AM PDT by ebb tide
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Psalms 55:21 tells us that war is in the hearts of unrepentant sinners.
Also consider that Matthew 8:5-10 shows us that Jesus commended the centurion for his great faith.
Romans 13:1-5, which tells us that G-d is in control, and speaks of the power of the sword, also applies imo.
To: Egon
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posted on
11/03/2017 1:09:07 PM PDT
by
ebb tide
(We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
To: ebb tide
Did you dig deep enough to see that Francis said this while visiting the Nettuno US War Cemetery? Another obvious dig at the U.S. I did.
Do you think Christian soldiers defending their countries should be denied weapons in their battles?
I don't.
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posted on
11/03/2017 1:11:51 PM PDT
by
Egon
To: Egon
I don't.So why are are defending an anti-American peacenik who turns a solemn day in the Church calendar into a political statement?
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posted on
11/03/2017 1:16:01 PM PDT
by
ebb tide
(We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
To: Egon; MDLION
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posted on
11/03/2017 1:32:43 PM PDT
by
ebb tide
(We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
To: ebb tide
I read the original article at .va carefully, twice, and could not find any passage where Pope Francis singled out any person, group of people, movement, nation, or gropu of nations as plotters of war. (Though ISIS and the Norks readily come to mind.) I also didn't find any instance of him using the word "warmongers."
I figure I have normal reading comprehension, and I didn't see it.
Could you ---or anybody --- find me the money quote?
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posted on
11/03/2017 1:37:23 PM PDT
by
Mrs. Don-o
(There are more things in heaven & on earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. - Hamlet)
To: Mrs. Don-o
Did you read the linked article?
Taking the occasion to reiterate his deep conviction that wars produce nothing more than cemeteries and death the Pope said he chose to visit a war cemetery as a sign in a moment when our humanity seems not to have learned the lesson, or doesn't want to learn it.
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posted on
11/03/2017 1:54:08 PM PDT
by
ebb tide
(We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
To: Mrs. Don-o
"Could you ---or anybody --- find me the money quote?" I'm not seeing it either. This Pope has had his share of malapropisms, but until someone produces a direct quote from him in context, I call knee-jerk BS on this thread.
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posted on
11/03/2017 2:15:02 PM PDT
by
fidelis
(Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
To: ebb tide
To: fidelis; Mrs. Don-o
Do either of you two believe in the Catholic just war theory?
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posted on
11/03/2017 2:25:16 PM PDT
by
ebb tide
(We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
To: ebb tide
RE: The Lord God has commanded us, “You shall not kill.” There are nine words in Hebrew for taking a life. The word used in Exodus 20: 13 for “Thou shalt not kill” is ratsach, a strong verb used to indicate an intentional and unjustified act of murder
___________________________________
How does he reconcile this with the command of God to the Israelites to slaughter the Canaanites? ( Joshua 10:40, 11:15)
The key word is UNJUSTIFIED, and therein lies the argument.
When is killing justified for him?
Is the killing of ISIS militants justified or not?
To: ebb tide
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posted on
11/03/2017 2:34:19 PM PDT
by
Mrs. Don-o
(There are more things in heaven & on earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. - Hamlet)
To: ebb tide
OK. Did he say soldiers are all, per se, warmongers?
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posted on
11/03/2017 2:35:27 PM PDT
by
Mrs. Don-o
(There are more things in heaven & on earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. - Hamlet)
To: ebb tide; Mrs. Don-o
"Do either of you two believe in the Catholic just war theory?" What does that have to do with posting an article falsely attributing a quote to the Pope?
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posted on
11/03/2017 2:40:33 PM PDT
by
fidelis
(Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
To: Mrs. Don-o
I don’t know. And why would he say “all” soldiers.
But he has said weapon manufacturers who supply weapons to just soldiers are “warmongers”.
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posted on
11/03/2017 2:41:11 PM PDT
by
ebb tide
(We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
To: fidelis; Mrs. Don-o
Read the linked article within the post and listen to the audo.
...he stated during his homily that the only fruit of war is death.
Just wars do have fruits. Just look at the U.S. and Europe after WW II.
Look at Europe after the Battle of Lepanto.
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posted on
11/03/2017 2:50:19 PM PDT
by
ebb tide
(We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
To: ebb tide; Mrs. Don-o
"But he has said weapon manufacturers who supply weapons to just soldiers are warmongers." OK, since you couldn't find a direct quote from Francis on the other statement, maybe you can provide one for this? I can't find one either.
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posted on
11/03/2017 2:54:46 PM PDT
by
fidelis
(Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
To: ebb tide
That is what he said.
He didn’t say soldiers are warmongers.
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posted on
11/03/2017 2:55:43 PM PDT
by
Mrs. Don-o
(There are more things in heaven & on earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. - Hamlet)
To: sparklite2; seawolf101
Theyre ceremonial, hed say. Like tradition, ya know?I do not think so!
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posted on
11/03/2017 2:59:44 PM PDT
by
Stand Watch Listen
(I stand for the flag...I kneel at the cross)
To: Stand Watch Listen
No, HE’D say that, not me.
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posted on
11/03/2017 3:04:06 PM PDT
by
sparklite2
(I'm less interested in the rights I have than the liberties I can take.)
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