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To: Mark17

I was going to grade him; but I think encouragement is what is needed at this point.


961 posted on 05/22/2017 8:35:48 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

You cannot get a mind steaped in Magic Thinking to acknowledge John 6 is ‘Semitic Hyperbole’, even as Jesus confirms He was using such to turn away the seekers after signs and wonders.


962 posted on 05/22/2017 8:37:00 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: metmom

Incest isn’t all that bad as long as you keep it in the family.


963 posted on 05/22/2017 8:37:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

The ancient cults promoted the notion of the god having sex with his mother to create himself.


964 posted on 05/22/2017 8:39:22 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Either Mary was, by Divine grace, preserved from sin, or Jesus was sinfully depraved in His humanity, the heir of her fallen flesh.

Sorry; but only the ignorant are fooled by your giving of only TWO possibilities.


10. False Dilemma - Giving two choices when in actuality there could be more choices possible.

965 posted on 05/22/2017 8:39:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; MHGinTN

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>> “but you’ve stretched the rhyming a wee bit” <<

Awww, give the guy a break, at his age he has to stretch a few things. :o)

(ducking, and running to hide...)
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966 posted on 05/22/2017 8:40:29 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Baby Jesus was a sinner?

Do you REALLY think people are THIS gullible?

967 posted on 05/22/2017 8:40:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: editor-surveyor

LOL ... have we met? LOL at least you haven’t lost your sense of humor!


968 posted on 05/22/2017 8:42:17 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Elsie
I was going to grade him; but I think encouragement is what is needed at this point.

Maybe so. Anyway, it's late Monday night here, so it's time to snooze a little. 😞

969 posted on 05/22/2017 8:43:57 AM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is history)
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970 posted on 05/22/2017 8:51:14 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: metmom
Not amount of “ interpretation”, excuses, rationalizations, justifications, and absurd hyperbole will get Catholics any excuse for disobeying a clear, concise, unequivocal command of Jesus.


971 posted on 05/22/2017 9:04:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
1:28 The fact that Gabriel greeted Mary as he did and did not greet Zechariah the same way shows Mary’s favored position.

Gabriel’s greeting was customary: Hail! or Greetings! (Gr. chaire).

Mary was highly “favored” (Gr. kecharitomene) because God chose to bestow special grace (“favor,” Gr. charis) on her (cf. Eph. 1:6, the only other New Testament occurrence of kecharitomene).

She would be the mother of the Messiah, which was an honor every Jewish mother prayed would be hers.

God did this without any special merit of her own (cf. v. 47).51

The Lord’s presence with Mary guaranteed His help in the assignment she would have to fulfill (cf. Judg. 6:12; Ruth 2:14).

Thomas Constable
972 posted on 05/22/2017 9:04:59 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Elsie
I did not make a statement. I asked you a question.

Now I will make a statement. Jesus was not a sinner. He did not inherit Original Sin, which is to say,m a sin-damaged nature, nor did He commit sin. But although sinless, sin offerings were made for Him. Although sinless,He submitted even to John's baptism, which was a baptism of repentance. Did He have any sins to be freed from? No. Did He have anything to repent? No. But He participated in these actions as an example, and that all the Law might be fulfilled.

973 posted on 05/22/2017 9:05:18 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The promise is to those who follow the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all." Romans 4:12)
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To: MHGinTN
ONLY if God minds the Catholic ‘tradition’ claim that He had to, actually HAD TO use an ovum from Mary.

Why couldn't the Father use DUST; like the FIRST Adam?


974 posted on 05/22/2017 9:07:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
28. Thou that art highly favored (κεχαριτωμένη). Lit., as Rev. in margin, endued with grace.

Only here and Eph. 1:6. The rendering full of grace, Vulgate, Wyc., and Tynd., is therefore wrong.

All the best texts omit blessed art thou among women.

Word Studies in the NT, Marvin
975 posted on 05/22/2017 9:09:07 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Mrs. Don-o
30. Grace (χάριν). From the same root as χαίρω, to rejoice. I. Primarily that which gives joy or pleasure; and hence outward beauty, loveliness, something which delights the beholder. Thus Homer, of Ulysses going to the assembly: “Athene shed down manly grace or beauty upon him” (“Odyssey,” ii., 12); and Septuagint, Ps. 45:3, “grace is poured into thy lips.” See also Prov. 1:9; 3:22. Substantially the same idea, agreeableness, is conveyed in Luke 4:22, respecting the gracious words, lit., words of grace, uttered by Christ. So Eph. 4:29. II. As a beautiful or agreeable sentiment felt and expressed toward another; kindness, favor, good-will. 2 Cor. 8:6, 7, 9; 9:8; Luke 1:30; 2:40; Acts 2:47. So of the responsive sentiment of thankfulness. See Luke 6:32, 33, 34; 17:9; but mostly in the formula thanks to God; Rom. 6:17; 1 Cor. 15:57; 2 Cor. 2:14; 2 Tim. 1:3. III. The substantial expression of good-will; a boon, a favor, a gift; but not in New Testament. See Rom. 5:15, where the distinction is made between χάρις, grace, and δωρεὰ ἐν χάριτι a gift in grace. So a gratification or delight, in classical Greek only; as the delight in battle, in sleep, etc. IV. The higher Christian signification, based on the emphasis of freeness in the gift or favor, and, as commonly in New Testament, denoting the free, spontaneous, absolute loving-kindness of God toward men, and so contrasted with debt, law, works, sin. The word does not occur either in Matthew or Mark.

Vincent, M. R. (1887). Word studies in the New Testament (Vol. 1, pp. 259–260). New York: Charles Scribner’s Sons.

976 posted on 05/22/2017 9:10:35 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Now I will make a statement. Jesus was not a sinner.

Yeah; you made one all right.

Did the subject get changed as you tried?

The bible (which YOUR chosen relgion put together) says that everyone's a SINNER.

NOW it wants to retrace it's steps and say, "Well; everyone but our Mary."

977 posted on 05/22/2017 9:11:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
“you have found favor with God”

This seems to be an OT idiom for God’s special activity in someone’s life (cf. Gen. 6:8; 18:3; 19:19; 30:27; Exod. 33:12, 17; Acts 7:46).

God chooses to use imperfect, but available, humans who choose to trust Him to accomplish His purposes in this world.

Utley, R. J. (2004). The Gospel according to Luke (Vol. Volume 3A, Lk 1:30). Marshall, TX: Bible Lessons International.
978 posted on 05/22/2017 9:14:13 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Gabriel’s greeting is literally, “Grace, you who are highly graced!”

Although she was a godly woman, it was God’s grace, not Mary’s character, that made her God’s choice.

The phrase “highly favored” is used of all God’s people in Eph. 1:6 (“which He freely bestowed on us” [NASB]).

Mary is blessed among women but not above women.

Wiersbe, W. W. (1992). Wiersbe’s expository outlines on the New Testament (p. 149). Wheaton, IL: Victor Books.
979 posted on 05/22/2017 9:15:54 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Mrs. Don-o
91 tn The address, “favored one” (a perfect participle, Grk “Oh one who is favored”) points to Mary as the recipient of God’s grace, not a bestower of it.

She is a model saint in this passage, one who willingly receives God’s benefits.

The Vulgate rendering “full of grace” suggests something more of Mary as a bestower of grace, but does not make sense here contextually.

Biblical Studies Press. (2006). The NET Bible First Edition Notes (Lk 1:28). Biblical Studies Press.
980 posted on 05/22/2017 9:17:16 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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