Posted on 04/08/2017 2:37:12 PM PDT by grumpa
In short, a preterist is the generally accepted term for those who believe that all biblical prophecy events have been completed, and were accomplished in the past — the first century to be exact. The event usually associated with the fulfillment of Bible prophecy is the Roman-Jewish War of A.D. 66-73, especially during the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.
Paradigm Shift
Two men who love God can see the same scripture in two different ways. Is it because one of them is stubborn or unreasonable?
No, it is because each of us has within us paradigms of what life is really all about. The word paradigm means a model or a map. We look at life through our paradigms. Inside each of us is a map or model of what life ought to be like. Our paradigms are representations of life. We all have them, and we all have paradigms of eschatology.
Eschatology is a word that frightens people, they don't understand it so they are afraid of it. When I talk about eschatology, I am not talking about the end of time, but the time of the end. There is a very large difference between those two ideas. Eschatology is the doctrine of last things but it is the last things of God's plan to redeem us, not the last things of planet earth.
In Acts 17:11, the Bereans, "were more fair-minded" in that they: (1) "received the word with all readiness," (2) "searched the Scriptures daily," (3) apparently had the true spirit of open-mindedness for religious thought, and (4) in the spirit of truth sought to understand "whether these things were so" which Paul had spoken. I am asking you to be a Berean.
(Excerpt) Read more at ecclesia.org ...
https://prophecyquestions.com/2014/02/01/articles-by-charles-meek
Preterism fails their own historicity test.
So Christ has had His thousand year reign and the antichrist and the false prophet have been thrown into the lake of fire for all eternity?
When did that happen?
LOL true
Somewhere we missed Christ’s peaceful reign for 1,000 years.
It will be peaceful, but there will be “a rod of iron”.
Yes, absolute justice.
I missed that part, too.
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. Gal. 1:8-9
Perhaps best book ever written on the subject: 800 pages: https://www.amazon.com/Cross-Parousia-Christ-Dimensions-Age-Changing/dp/B0006EP47E/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1491693851&sr=1-3
Thousand year reign? Evidently, some of us don’t have the facility to know, like you do, when to take the book of Revelation’s symbols literally and when to take them figuratively. Or why would you choose to take the 1,000 year reign literally and the woman riding on the beast figuratively, for example.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
The "faithful and wise servant" in this parable (given by Jesus), watch - in accordance with the signs Jesus gave in his discourse. Preterists, on the other hand, in disobedience to Jesus' direct command, do NOT watch.
They live in a complete prophetic vacuum. All the prophetic signs Jesus gave in Matt. 24 (and Revelation) allegedly fulfilled some two thousand years ago, so, of course, they don't watch.
I cannot imagine a worse cult. Believe these preterists at your peril. Believe Jesus, obey Jesus, and WATCH.
Well, yes. Revelation is merely a dressed up version of Mat. 24 mentioned in the gospels, but not John’s. The returning would be witnessed by that generation. Revelation says the ones who pierced Christ on the cross would see it.
Back when I was much younger and had more time, I would neglect reading the New Testament, for the Old, because the writers were always mentioning that they were living in the end times, and that the return of Christ was near. In fact, the belief was so prevalent that Paul had to write a letter explaining to the Church that the second coming had not taken place, yet. Therefore, that we were supposed to be living in the end times always uncomfortably puzzled me. I did not know there was a school of thought that taught differently than the way I was taught.
Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.
And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them, and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Common sense could play into it.
For starters, perhaps you could explain how Jesus will only reign figuratively for a figurative 1,000 years.
Then address the vision of the woman in heaven let us know if it could be literal? Please explain how.
“For starters, perhaps you could explain how Jesus will only reign figuratively for a figurative 1,000 years.
The thousand years is figurative, not the ruler ship. The very first comment Jesus made upon reappearing after the resurrection was that all authority in earth had been granted to him. The thousand year rule is not mentioned anywhere else in the New Testament. Revelation is strictly word pictures taken from the Old Testament used by John to get around Roman spymasters so as not to have the church members killed if Roman authorities found out what he taught regarding the Roman empire and Nero (and Jewish leaders).
“Then address the vision of the woman in heaven let us know if it could be literal? Please explain how?”
I never said it was literal. And, no, I am not an expert on Revelation. You can’t find anyone on Earth that can understand it thinking it is future prophesy. The present understanding of the end timers only started about 1830. There have been major panics before, especially 1000 AD. People went nuts.
You can’t find anyone on Earth that can understand it thinking it is future prophesy.
Really, we're all over the place. You haven't been looking in the right places.
Preterism is partially correct. Events of AD 70 were are foreshadow of what is coming to the world. It is a Midrash of the Escaton to come!
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