Posted on 04/02/2017 9:39:38 AM PDT by ebb tide
Cut-n-pastes from random documents absent context is just nonsense. But you knew that, right?
The answer to both your questions is NO. I.e., it is not sinful.
A Catholic is obliged to believe what the Church teaches, and to obey the Church’s laws and the moral law.
Since Bergoglio contradicts the Church’s teaching, and sows confusion regarding the moral law and ecclesiastical law. Therefore, he should be ignored.
A Catholic is obliged to believe what the Church teaches, and to obey the Church’s laws and the moral law.
Since Bergoglio contradicts the Church’s teaching, and sows confusion regarding the moral law and ecclesiastical law. Therefore, he should be ignored.
Agreed.
You just demonstrated by your own words that Bergoglio is not truly a Pope, when considered in context of what Pope Pius IX decreed. For if he is not teaching truth then he cannot be truly a Pope.
And you have bought your plane ticket? And will be flying to Rome next week to snatch the white beanie off Bergoglio’s head and eject him from the Vatican?
In order to cease to be Pope, Bergoglio must be a pertinacious, obstinate, formal heretic.
A Pope can prove himself unreliable, dangerous, and boring, without meeting that threshold.
“In order to cease to be Pope, Bergoglio must be a pertinacious, obstinate, formal heretic...”
In order to BECOME Pope, a person must be a male, must be not insane, and must be an actual Catholic.
Bergoglio has met only one of those criteria for certain.
He certainly has not met all three of them.
So you descend to personal attacks. Sad. What odd sect do you claim to belong to?
Wrong, again. Quite the record you are racking up here, what?
No I don’t. I rather turn your attack of my personal cutting and pasting upon yourself. You are the one who excluded my personal approach of cutting and pasting from valid discussion. That leaves merely one’s own brain. So I referred to yours. But I wasn’t attacking your brain per-se. I was attacking the hypocrisy in accusing me of no context whereas, where is your context in your comment?
Please explain.
1. What is evil, harmful or unhelpful about cutting and pasting historical truth and fact?
2. How is returning your attack suddenly my personal attack on you?
3. Where IS your context in your comment? Show us how quoting a Pope on obedience to the Pope is out of context in my reply to Mr. McGowan.
No, R&B is right again on inferring that Bergoglio is a non-Catholic as seen by his heretical life as a “bishop” in Argentina.
Promulgating a false (”Novus Ordo”) mass while persecuting the true Mass. Promoting Communism. Endorsing Sodomy and fornication.
Teaching heresy automatically removes one from being a Catholic.
As long as you do not know the limits of your own knowledge, your assertions are baseless. You are no more capable of knowing Bergoglio’s interior states in 2012 than his interior states in 2017.
Anyone can know that Bergoglio is a rotten, destructive Pope or putative Pope. If, in fact, he has fallen from the Papacy, no one other than God can know for certain. God has not provided US with a mechanism for knowing this—PRECISELY BECAUSE OUR SALVATION DOES NOT DEPEND ON IT.
I.e., it is NOT necessary for our salvation to know, day to day, or year to year, with certitude, who is or is not Pope. It is necessary to know the content of the Catholic Faith.
Wrong.
We are required to be in submission to the Pope.
If we mistake a heretic for the Pope yet we attempt the submission due the Pope we will be misled by his heresy. Our souls will be thus lost.
If on the other hand we believe one to be Pope and we refuse him our submission we by that very act stand condemned.
Protestant theology that flies in the face of the submission owed Peter will not aid us on judgment day.
When you have a half-hour or so, give a listen to the following refutations of The Remnant’s contributors on the necessity of knowing who is pope and or if there even is one present, and the necessity of obedience.
Utter papalotry.
For most of history, and in most places, day-to-day “submission to the Pope,” in the sense of day-to-day carrying out of daily instructions from the Pope, has been impossible. The communications technology has not existed.
I am over 60 years old. In that entire time, no Pope has ever said or commanded anything of fundamental importance that wasn’t knowable from the teaching of a long series of previous Popes.
I put it to you that you derive ego-gratification from holding a position held by only a handful of people. It makes you “smarter” and “better” than virtually the entire human race. In a word: You have discovered the pleasures of Gnosticism.
“If we mistake a heretic for the Pope yet we attempt the submission due the Pope we will be misled by his heresy. Our souls will be thus lost.”
Why is this nonsense?
1) Only an uninstructed Catholic will believe heresy merely because it is taught by the current Pope. Educated Catholics will be immune, as educated Catholics are immune to Bergoglio’s drivel. Only those who subscribe to your bizarre, slavish, papalotrous notion of the meaning of “submission to the Pope” will be led into heresy.
2) No person who is blamelessly deceived by a Pope will be damned. People are not damned for inculpable ignorance.
“...You are no more capable of knowing Bergoglio’s interior states in 2012 than his interior states in 2017...”
Practicing heresy invalidates one’s candidacy for the high office. Such candidacy is not dependent on the man’s internal state. If he is teaching heresy he defacto cannot be a Pope.
It is very uncomplicated.
You are flatly wrong. The issue is FORMAL heresy, and formal heresy IS a matter of a man’s interior intention.
The people who made this object subscribe to your brand of papalotry—i.e., being subject to the whims of the Pope on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday...
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2017/04/papalotry-is-real.html?m=1
Nope, you are wrong.
Do tell, what weird sect do you belong to?
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