should We Still Keep the Commandments?

Westside Christian Fellowshihp ^ | July 20, 2016 | Shane Idleman

[metmom]

Should We Still Keep The Commandments?

If you are skeptical because of past experiences with religion, understand that religion is not the answer—a relationship with Christ is. There is a clear difference.

Religion says, “I have to follow rules.” A relationship with Christ says, “I want to follow His plan for my life.”

Religion says, “I have to go to church.” A relationship with Christ says, “I want to position myself to learn more, worship Him and benefit from fellowship.”

Religion offers a set of rituals; a relationship with Jesus offers a guiding light.

Religion is man’s attempt to find God; relationship assures us of His presence.

Many lose sight of purpose because they have “religion” and not a true relationship with Christ. They may know Scripture but they often do not apply it to their lives. As a result, their relationship with God is cold and distant.

A fatal statement, yet so common is, “I know what God’s Word says, but…” For example: I know that I shouldn’t watch certain movies or television programs, but I enjoy then. I know that I shouldn’t date her, but she’s very attractive. I know that I shouldn’t go there, but everyone is doing it. I know what the Bible says, but it doesn’t apply now. I know that I need to go to church, pray, and read God’s Word, but I’m too busy.

[daniel1212]

The "I should be able to get away with x" or "Here is why I should get away with y" crowd uses God's grace as if it were an EBT card. The type of entitled folks who use the cards to buy filet mignon and expensive organic snacks, having zero thought, respect or regard for the ones who are actually paying the bill.

Thus we replace preaching on how bad sin is and how great salvation at so great a cost by so great a savior and judge is much replaced with preaching that avoids this and rock songs with trite lyrics (if you can even hear them) in contrast to classic hymns.

[BipolarBob]

To further clarify, the Ten Commandments are not a formula to get to Heaven. I didn’t murder anybody today! Hurrah I’m going to heaven. No, the absence of committing sins means nothing. We could sin in our heart. To follow the Law we must have the Love for God in our hearts. We must yearn to please Him. We must be thankful every waking moment. This burning desire to please God must motivate us or else we fail. The Law without love does us no good. To meditate upon the sacrifice on Calvary every single day and to allow the Holy Spirit to live within us is the only way to live.

[Elsie]

Elsie, What does Rome say a new moon day is, if it isn’t one of His 6 working days or His Sabbath?

Have no idea.

[Elsie]

Thus says the Lord GOD: The gate of the inner court that faces east shall be shut on the six working days, but on the Sabbath day it shall be opened, and on the day of the new moon it shall be opened.

According to Scripture, the day of the new moon isn’t one of His 6 work days or Sabbath.

Sorry; I didn't get this from the Scripture you posted.

The 'new moon day' could fall on the Sabbath or on a working day.

[Elsie]

They don’t realize the Father has a day every month that isn’t part of His 6 work days or Sabbath.

I assume the Chosen People would know.

What do THEY say about it?

[Elsie]

The main point however, is that EVERYONE will be judged and rewarded accordingly (at some point), some to everlasting life, some to everlasting shame.

Now now.

You'll upset MANY FReepers that believe that somehow CHRISTIANS will avoid this judgement; going directly to Heaven at death.

(I don't know whether they also believe that $200 will be collected at this point or not.)

[BipolarBob]

Have no idea.

What is this? I thought you had the inside scoop on Rome. Maybe penpals with the Pope or something. I'm all disillusioned.

/s

[Elsie]

All we need is one.

Of each!

[Elsie]

Without Christ's redemption, you're damned to Judgement Day, along with everyone else, when He judges ALL who are "not in Him". That tells us that He has already judged those who claim to be "in Him".

'Tain't the way it's written...

Exodus 32:32-33
 But now, if you will forgive their sin—but if not, please blot me out of your book that you have written.”  But the Lord said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against me, I will blot out of my book.

 

Daniel 12:1
 “At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book.

 

 

 

Philippians 4:3
 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.

 

Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

 

Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

 

 

Revelation 17:8
 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

 

 

 

Revelation 20:11-15
"Then I saw a great White Throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and THE BOOKS WERE OPENED. Another book was opened WHICH IS THE BOOK OF LIFE. The dead were judged according to their works as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to their works.  Then death and Hades were thrown into the Lake of Fire. The Lake of Fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written IN THE BOOK OF LIFE, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

 

Revelation 21:27

Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

Sorry; but He judges ALL: using the Book of Life.

Is YOUR name written there?

(Cue the music... http://www.hymnary.org/text/lord_i_care_not_for_riches )

Or you can get Dolly to sing for you...

https://www.vagalume.com.br/dolly-parton/book-of-life-bonus-tracks.html

[Elsie]

Remember what is in the ark?

Yup... Manna and Aaron's rod that budded; too.

[Elsie]

In order to understand the New Testament one should have a fairly good understanding of the Old.

In order to understand Jesus one should have a fairly good Teacher (Philip) and the scroll of Isaiah.

[Elsie]

If our focus is on law keeping, we’ve taken our eyes off Christ.

Conversely:

If our focus is on Jesus, we’ve can be fairly assured that we'll be keeping the 'law' as best we can.

[Elsie]

How much sin is too much for God?

Just one...

[Elsie]

I'm sure that Vald or Tery or EbbTide or one of the other very knowledgeable FR Catholics will chime in and give us the TRUTH of the matter; as soon as they are back from mass.

[Elsie]

https://thesundaymass.org/

[BipolarBob]

If we could only be so blessed.

/s

[daniel1212]

Gen. 2:2 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done. The first Sabbath God instituted.

But again, nowhere is observance of this shown to be enjoined until under the Law, nor under the New Covenant, and your desperation in trying to provide any example of this is an argument against it.

Luke 4:16 He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read You can follow Gods example or make up your own rules.

Again, this example is not under the New Covenant, and as the Lord also was circumcised and kept the OT feasts days (and it was on the 1st day that the Lord began to sanctify the Temple: (2 Chronicles 29:17), then according to your reasoning, you must make observance of all such mandatory as well!

And instead, as said, the Holy Spirit nowhere repeats/reiterates the 4th commandment, while doing so for the rest, nor provides and one example of any NT church doing so, while treating the Sabbath as part of the ceremonial law.

[daniel1212]

The Sabbath was never part of the ceremonial law. There were additional sabbaths that were but the 7th day Sabbath commemorating Creation was never part of that. The 7th day Sabbath is part of the TEN (count them) COMMANDMENTS (not suggestions). Where is the LAW stating the first day of the week must be kept holy?

Observance of the Sabbath was never enjoined until the Law, and as shown, under which the Spirit treats the Sabbath as part of the ceremonial law, despite assertions to the contrary made in the light of and the utter absence of the 4th commandment being repeated/reiterated while doing so for the rest, nor providing and one example of any NT church doing so.

Where is the LAW stating the first day of the week must be kept holy?

There is none, only a precedent of meeting on the first day under the New Covenant, the only specific day they are shown meeting on, which you lack, while the principle of one day of rest based on God's rest (from His atoning mission) supports this practice.

I myself after becoming a Christian (former RC) have never worked for money on the first day (Sat, even to Sun, eve) even when I used to work 6 long days a week, and refrain from personal recreation on that day, as sanctified, nor do i condemn those who hold that 7th day is the correct day, as long as the motive is to honor the Lord.

But mandating observance of the 7th day even relegating those who do not to being demonically deceived damned souls as you have done, is what i contend against. Thus it is your cultic spirit that makes your salvation suspect.

[BipolarBob]

Do what you will then and bother me no more. If the fact God instituted the Sabbath at Creation means nothing to you I don’t know what will. If the fact that Jesus kept the Sabbath means nothing to you then my words will not either. The Mosaic law was abolished on the cross so that has nothing to do with the Ten Commandments that was wrote in stone by the finger of God of which a copy is in heaven this very minute in the Sanctuary ark. You will not change my mind and vice versa so there is nothing more to converse about.

[BipolarBob]

But mandating observance of the 7th day even relegating those who do not to being demonically deceived damned souls as you have done

The only thing damnable on this thread is your LIE about me. Show me where I have relegated any demonic deceived damned souls. Post it word for word.