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How Is Adam’s Sin Different from Eve’s?
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 02-13-17 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 02/14/2017 7:36:56 AM PST by Salvation

How Is Adam’s Sin Different from Eve’s?

February 13, 2017

In yesterday’s post, we explored the details of original sin and learned that there are subtleties and stages to it that can teach us something. Original sin was more than eating a piece of fruit; there were things that led up to it, both externally and internally.

I also mentioned that it was worth exploring how the sacred text speaks of the “Sin of Adam” and differentiates it to some extent from the sin that Eve commits. Biblically, original sin is properly denoted as the “Sin of Adam.” It is Adam’s sin, not Eve’s that is called “original sin” (cf Rom 5:12 inter al).

It is not that Eve did not sin, or that her actions have no interest for us. Yesterday’s post focused on the stages she went through. Rather, as the head of his household and the human family, Adam had responsibility and thereby incurred the sin we call “original sin,” which comes down to all of us.

As you can see, this post isn’t very politically correct thus far—and it’s only going to get worse from here. In striving to differentiate Eve’s sin from Adam’s I would like to take up a very controversial text from St. Paul. While the specific text comports poorly with modern notions, two cautions are in order for those of us who read the text:

First, this is a sacred text, and even if St. Paul may have drawn some of his reflections from the cultural experiences of the time, he provides theological reasons for what he writes.

Second, remember that one verse from St. Paul is not all of St. Paul and certainly not all of Scripture. What Paul says rather absolutely in the verse that follows, he qualifies to some extent and other places as we shall see.

With this in mind, let’s examine the controversial text and strive to distinguish Adam’s sin from Eve’s. St. Paul writes:

A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner (1 Tim 2:11b-14).

Many, upon reading a text so astonishingly out of step with modern thinking, are prone simply to dismiss it as a relic of some past, dark age. It is debatable whether the edict that a woman should be silent and have no teaching authority over a man, is merely a disciplinary norm that we are not required to observe today. It is also debatable how absolute Paul’s words were meant to be. Paul wrote elsewhere of women in the early church communities as catechists (e.g., Phoebe in Romans 16:1), spiritual leaders, and benefactors (e.g., Lydia). He also made provisions for the proper attire of a woman who is to speak in the assembly (she is to cover her head). So what St. Paul says here, he distinguishes elsewhere in a way that allows for some provision that women both speak and teach the faith.

In the quote from first Timothy above, the context seems rather clearly to be that of the family and marriage. I this passage Paul affirms the headship of the husband, as he does elsewhere (Ephesians 5:22, Colossians 3:18); Peter does so as well (1 Peter 3:1-6).

Here is another text in which Paul speaks of women being silent in the Church. In this case, the context seems to be liturgical:

Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church (1 Cor 14:34-35).

There are legitimate debates about how strictly this silence is to be interpreted. Generally, Church practice has understood this to mean that women are not to give the official teaching in the liturgy that we refer to as the sermon or homily. This stricture has been observed from antiquity down to the present day, by reserving the homily to the bishop, priest, or deacon. In more recent times, there have been allowances for women to serve as lectors, cantors, and singers. But the official teaching moment of the homily is still reserved to the male clergy, and the Magisterium consists of bishops and the Pope.

Prescinding from debate about how absolutely or strictly to interpret St. Paul’s restrictions, or whether or not some of these things are cultural artifacts that can be adjusted, what I really wish to focus on is the theological reasoning behind the differences between Adam’s sin and Eve’s sin. St. Paul writes,

For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner (1 Tim 2:13-14).

St. Paul begins by saying that Adam was formed first, followed by Eve. And thus here he teaches that the husband has headship, authority. As Paul says elsewhere, The husband is head of his wife just as Christ is head of the Church (Eph 5:22).

In terms of original sin, which is our concern in today’s blog, Paul says that Adam was not the one deceived; it was Eve who was deceived. Thus, St. Paul speaks of Eve’s sin as being different from Adam’s. She was deceived and so sinned. Adam, however, was not deceived. His sin lay elsewhere.

Of the fact of her deception, Eve is a witness, for she says, “The serpent tricked me and so I ate it” (Gen 3:13). But of Adam’s sin, God says, “You listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it’” (Gen 3:17). Adam’s sin lay in his willingness to allow his wife to tempt him.

Dear reader, you were warned that this was not going to be a politically correct post. Teachings such as these grate on modern ears, but of course that does not make them untrue.

Perhaps a little additional reflection may help to avoid knee-jerk reactions (such as gloating or anger). Adam’s and Eve’s sins are described differently; each’s sin can also be understood as a kind of weakness to which each was particularly susceptible: she to deception, he to being swayed by her feminine mystique and beauty.

St. Paul does not simply locate these two weaknesses in Adam and Eve as individuals, but also as male and female. Hence, St. Paul seems to teach here that a woman ought not to have a solemn teaching authority in the Church because of her tendency to be deceived.

Why might this be, that a woman could be more easily deceived? Perhaps it is rooted, paradoxically, in a woman’s strength. Among the strengths that women more generally manifest are natural spirituality and being sources of unity and peace in the heart of the family. And while these are wonderful strengths, in certain circumstances they can open one to deception. For if one seeks to make peace, one may compromise with error and sin. And though being open to spiritual things is of itself good, there are erroneous spiritual concepts to which one ought not to be open.

Not only is a woman possibly more susceptible to these, but should she cede to them, she can also have undue power over her husband and other men who might well be drawn by her beauty to set aside their better judgment.

To my mind, this is what St. Paul is getting at here in saying that Eve was deceived and Adam was not, therefore a woman cannot have teaching authority in the Church. There was also a warning in ancient Israel that men should not take foreign wives because they might confuse a man’s heart into the worship of their foreign gods. A man’s heart can easily be swayed by a beautiful and influential woman.

And thus, addressing a double threat, St. Paul forbids women to have teaching authority in the Church and ties it back to the archetypal incident of Adam and Eve: Eve was deceived and then was able to seduce her husband into sinning.

In modern times it may well be that St. Paul’s caution is affirmed by the modern problem of liberal Protestant denominations that have a large number of women leaders. These same denominations have departed significantly from the orthodox Christian faith, denying basic tenets of the Trinity, moral teaching, and biblical interpretation. This is not the only reason, but there seems to be a high correlation between denominations that embrace women leaders and a departure from orthodox Christian belief.

Have I been politically incorrect enough for you? Please feel free to leave your comments, but the chief focus I am interested in is the different descriptions of the “Sin of Adam” and Eve’s sin.


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To: Salvation

Thank you. It’s my own. I may be ready for Twitter now. :)


41 posted on 02/14/2017 10:13:43 AM PST by Buttons12
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To: dp0622

Strongs Concordance אָדַם ʼâdam, aw-dam’; to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy:—be (dyed, made) red (ruddy).


42 posted on 02/14/2017 10:19:09 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Zuriel

Adam’s love for his bride failed at the garden when Adam said to God, “My will be done.” Choosing to participate in his wife’s sin over God was Adam loving & choosing himself and his flesh over God’s love.

The Second Adam’s love for his bride was unfailing when he said to his Father, “Not my will, by yours be done.” Jesus and his flesh didn’t want to go through the unimaginable suffering of the cross. But his love and trust in his Father was greater than his love and trust in himself and his flesh.


43 posted on 02/14/2017 10:36:09 AM PST by Jim W N
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To: Zuriel
That is, “Not my will, but yours be done.”
44 posted on 02/14/2017 10:39:12 AM PST by Jim W N
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To: Texas Eagle; Jeremiah Jr
Eve blamed the serpent. Adam blamed God. “That woman You gave me, etc.”

I love all these stories. Good topic for Valentine's Day. Before Eve was created, God noted that there was no match to help Adam. No match to help him out! The order of the verses is really funny then:

Gen 2

16. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat:
17. But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it; for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die:
18. And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a help to match him:

19. And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every bird of the air; and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them; and whatever Adam called every living creature, that was its name:
20. And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the bird of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found a help to match him:

...in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die: And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a help to match him.

That tree'll kill ya! How if I go make a match now...

Hysterical (pun intended)

hysteric (adj.) 1650s, "hysterical; relating to or affected with hysteria; emotionally disordered and frantic," from Latin hystericus, from Greek hysterikos "belonging to the womb" (see hysterical, which is the more common adjective). As a noun, "one who is hysterical," from 1751.

It continues...

21. And the Lord God made Adam fall into a deep sleep, and he slept; and He took one from his ribs, and closed up the flesh:
22. And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her to the man:
23. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man:

Adam: "Woo-hoo this one matches! My own bones and my own flesh! Score!"... ooops.

Eve blamed the serpent. Adam blamed God. “That woman You gave me, etc.”

Eve should have blamed Adam then, and Adam himself.

Crazy stupid awful cliches. Who ever listens to his wife?

After that whole fiasco, after everything had been cursed, is when (verse 20)

... Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living:

The mother of all living.. Indeed. Strolling through the garden naming this, naming that. Running out of notepads; pens running dry. Probably a few leakers in the bunch too. It was a veritable dead zone before these two hooked up.

Pretty good match, I'd say. ;)

45 posted on 02/14/2017 10:59:53 AM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: Salvation

Adam: She came onto me!
Adam: She is hot!
Adam: Because she let me...!


46 posted on 02/14/2017 11:12:11 AM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: DungeonMaster

Clearly, it wasn’t just dumb luck that the serpent approached Eve rather than Adam.

She was deceived. He ate willingly and knowingly.


47 posted on 02/14/2017 12:14:40 PM PST by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson, 1824)
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To: bigdaddy45

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We’ll probably never know for sure.


48 posted on 02/14/2017 12:18:54 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Gadsden1st

Angels are only male.


49 posted on 02/14/2017 2:49:44 PM PST by Old Yeller (Auto-correct has become my worst enema.)
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To: Salvation

Eve listened to the devil, a superior intellect.
Adam listened to a woman.


50 posted on 02/14/2017 2:59:25 PM PST by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: Bigg Red

This was discussed in the marriage encounter weekend my wife and I took while engaged. The point that was emphasized was that Adam was charged with the duty — by God — to tend and keep the garden.

Keep is an interesting word. It can mean to protect, guard, maintain (e.g. keep safe). In fact as a noun, a keep is also a heavily reinforced final refuge in a castle.

If Adam was doing his job, he would have been alarmed at the presence of the serpent. The verses I’ve read of Genesis suggest that he was much more passive and neglectful of the duties he was charged with by God.


51 posted on 02/14/2017 3:30:38 PM PST by Crolis ("To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it." -GKC)
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To: Just mythoughts
Re #38 The answers to your questions are the most ‘hidden’ from plain sight in the whole of the WORD... The book of Jude describes theses that rebelled with the devil. And Christ said that to ‘see’ the kingdom of God one must be born from above... The devil and a numbered ‘fallen’ rebels have already been judged to death... But guess what, they are going to get tossed out of heaven along with the devil to deceive all but the elect... WHY, because the majority accept the PC explanation shoveled out by the preacher class... In Genesis 6, they are called the Sons of God... why? because they are in angelic bodies, but they left heaven and seduced women in an attempt to pollute the blood line to Christ... That is why God sent Noah and his family, to build an ark while these and their offspring, that defied God were destroyed. Flesh bodies that is... these ‘Sons of God’ refused to take this flesh journey and they are still working for the devil. When God formed the Adam, it is said he was made in the image of God... Then God performed the first surgical procedure and removed that ‘curve’ and formed woman. The phrase ‘fig leaf’ to this day means ‘hidden’... You MUST BE tripping! Put down the lighter, and walk away from the bong, you are surrounded!
52 posted on 02/14/2017 4:03:25 PM PST by heterosupremacist (Domine Iesu Christe, Filius Dei, miserere me peccatorem!)
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To: Little Ray

Actually, Eve knew all of that. She even said as much to the serpent, including the instructions to not even touch the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And the serpent explicitly lied about the matter of “surely d(ying)” to boot.

Adam did not hear that story from either Eve or the serpent. He willfully ate the fruit.


53 posted on 02/14/2017 4:15:06 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: heterosupremacist

The willingly ignorant spouts off.


54 posted on 02/14/2017 4:56:57 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts

To: Heterosupremacist

**The willingly ignorant spouts off.**

Whatever. We can plainly see who ‘spouted off’. We can also plainly see that you are WAY OFF course on your spiritual journey, and we can only pray that you might reconsider...


55 posted on 02/14/2017 5:13:37 PM PST by heterosupremacist (Domine Iesu Christe, Filius Dei, miserere me peccatorem!)
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To: heterosupremacist
Whatever. We can plainly see who ‘spouted off’. We can also plainly see that you are WAY OFF course on your spiritual journey, and we can only pray that you might reconsider...

Who is the 'we'?... I did not write the Scripture. And I sure as hell am not going to PC it. Adam and Eve did NOT receive an apple in an apple orchard. As I was told in childhood. Adam and Eve were in a 'fig' grove when they rolled around with the devil. PERIOD. How do I know this, because Scripture says so. What fruit have you ever eaten and it made you realize you were butt naked? You and your 'we' are spiritually dead.

56 posted on 02/14/2017 5:23:59 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts

“Who is the ‘we’?... I did not write the Scripture. And I sure as hell am not going to PC it. Adam and Eve did NOT receive an apple in an apple orchard. As I was told in childhood. Adam and Eve were in a ‘fig’ grove when they rolled around with the devil. PERIOD. How do I know this, because Scripture says so. What fruit have you ever eaten and it made you realize you were butt naked? You and your ‘we’ are spiritually dead.”

You are obviously imbalanced, do not reply.


57 posted on 02/14/2017 5:28:12 PM PST by heterosupremacist (Domine Iesu Christe, Filius Dei, miserere me peccatorem!)
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To: Crolis

Thank you for that analysis.


58 posted on 02/14/2017 5:32:21 PM PST by Bigg Red (The best f-word we can apply to Obama on this glorious inauguration day is "former".)
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To: heterosupremacist

Excuse me? Who the .ell do you think you are? Read the Scripture for yourself and then you can discern where the literal imbalance lies. I did NOT write the Scripture.. and I sure will not ignore what warnings were sent us in this generation.

Time to put children’s fairy tales to bed and deal with what God had His elect pen.


59 posted on 02/14/2017 5:35:36 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Jim 0216

**Choosing to participate in his wife’s sin over God was Adam loving & choosing himself and his flesh over God’s love.**

Indeed Adam did choose his flesh over God; and his flesh included his wife:

“And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh......and they shall be one flesh.” Gen. 2:23,24

That, of course, doesn’t make their two souls one soul. But I think Adam was very much bonded to her, even to the extent that he would follow her choice instead of God.

Put yourself in Adam’s situation: she is part of him. Did he think to himself, “I’m going to lose her, because she is going to die for what she has done.”

Maybe he thought, “well she ate it and is still alive”. And then he made his ungodly choice.


60 posted on 02/14/2017 7:19:42 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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