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Is Today's State of Israel the Same as Biblical Israel? Scholars Weigh In
Christian Post ^ | 02/03/2017 | BY BRANDON SHOWALTER

Posted on 02/04/2017 5:15:51 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: editor-surveyor

They will be attacked. Mashiach will come and split MT Ebal, rescue the believers, slay the invaders. Then set up Israel in regards to boarders. This is not hard to understand.


21 posted on 02/04/2017 5:52:23 PM PST by foundedonpurpose
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To: TheNext

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You’re obviously an adherent of some wacked out sci-fi theology.

Rave on.


22 posted on 02/04/2017 5:52:23 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: foundedonpurpose

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If its not hard to understand, why do you not understand it?
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23 posted on 02/04/2017 5:53:36 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Right, the premise of the article does not go to the top.

Gods promises are to the whole world, not to just part of it.


24 posted on 02/04/2017 5:55:02 PM PST by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our one and only true hope.)
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To: circlecity

I am far from a Biblical scholar and do not wish to attack anyone but I think the Bible certainly points to Jesus as the Messiah.

Back in the 70s our preacher at First Baptist in Dothan gave a sermon on places in the Old Testament which clearly pointed to Jesus.

It was surprising to me how many there were and some of them could not be mistaken for anything else.


25 posted on 02/04/2017 5:55:46 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: foundedonpurpose

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Israel has to be established in the whole land before the day of Trumpets, else the day would have no meaning
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26 posted on 02/04/2017 5:56:14 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: SeekAndFind
There are a lot of so-called "Christians" who claim today's Jews are Ashkenazi Europeans, while the Palestinians are genetically the real Jewish people.

I call BS. Even if the European Jews are mostly Russian, Polish, German, etc. in genetics, Jesus wrote that there would be Gentiles who would sup at the table of Abraham, while many Jews would be stuck outside.

I've always interpreted that as Gentiles having a spot at God's table, while many Jews would be left out. However, it could also be interpreted as the Ashkenazi Jews are the spiritual descendants of the Jews scattered all over the world in the Diaspora. Even if the Jordanian and Egyptian Arabs calling themselves "Palestians" did have Jewish blood in them, they've totally rejected the God of Abraham to follow a moon-god cult and its Pedophile Prophet.

27 posted on 02/04/2017 5:57:49 PM PST by MuttTheHoople (Yes, Liberals, I question your patriotism)
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To: MuttTheHoople

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Palestinians are not Arabs.

They are the descendants of Esau, Jacob’s brother.

They are Hebrews but not a part of Israel.


28 posted on 02/04/2017 6:04:50 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Many Christians believe that God’s words to Abraham in Genesis 12:3, where after He instructs him to leave his homeland He says “I will bless those who bless you, and curse those who curse you,” as well as other verses regarding Israel, are still in effect today. “

There is no debate about this in traditional Christianity. It’s a heresy that was made up in America during the 19th Century. Only some Protestant American Christians and a few people oversees who have been proselytized by American Evangelicals believe this. It’s a direct rejection of Christianity’s most core doctrine.


29 posted on 02/04/2017 6:04:52 PM PST by WatchungEagle
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To: WatchungEagle

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You’re deluded.

Yehova doesn’t go back on his promises. He has doubled down on the promise several times throughout Tanakh.
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30 posted on 02/04/2017 6:09:08 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: MuttTheHoople

There are 12 individual tribes that made up Israel. Genesis 49 the sons of Jacob/Israel are named and their individual future foretold.

Genesis 49King James Version (KJV)

49 And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days.

2 Gather yourselves together, and hear, ye sons of Jacob; and hearken unto Israel your father.

3 Reuben, thou art my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power:

4 Unstable as water, thou shalt not excel; because thou wentest up to thy father’s bed; then defiledst thou it: he went up to my couch.

5 Simeon and Levi are brethren; instruments of cruelty are in their habitations.

6 O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall.

7 Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel: I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.

8 Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father’s children shall bow down before thee.

9 Judah is a lion’s whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?

10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

11 Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass’s colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes:

12 His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk.

13 Zebulun shall dwell at the haven of the sea; and he shall be for an haven of ships; and his border shall be unto Zidon.

14 Issachar is a strong ass couching down between two burdens:

15 And he saw that rest was good, and the land that it was pleasant; and bowed his shoulder to bear, and became a servant unto tribute.

16 Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel.

17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.

18 I have waited for thy salvation, O Lord.

19 Gad, a troop shall overcome him: but he shall overcome at the last.

20 Out of Asher his bread shall be fat, and he shall yield royal dainties.

21 Naphtali is a hind let loose: he giveth goodly words.

22 Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall:

23 The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him:

24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:)

25 Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:

26 The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.

27 Benjamin shall ravin as a wolf: in the morning he shall devour the prey, and at night he shall divide the spoil.

28 All these are the twelve tribes of Israel: and this is it that their father spake unto them, and blessed them; every one according to his blessing he blessed them.

29 And he charged them, and said unto them, I am to be gathered unto my people: bury me with my fathers in the cave that is in the field of Ephron the Hittite,

30 In the cave that is in the field of Machpelah, which is before Mamre, in the land of Canaan, which Abraham bought with the field of Ephron the Hittite for a possession of a buryingplace.

31 There they buried Abraham and Sarah his wife; there they buried Isaac and Rebekah his wife; and there I buried Leah.

32 The purchase of the field and of the cave that is therein was from the children of Heth.

33 And when Jacob had made an end of commanding his sons, he gathered up his feet into the bed, and yielded up the ghost, and was gathered unto his people.


31 posted on 02/04/2017 6:10:35 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: SeekAndFind

http://filesfromtoni.blogspot.com/2009/01/how-much-land-did-god-give-israel-in.html


32 posted on 02/04/2017 6:10:43 PM PST by Maudeen (No one on this earth is too far gone for Jesus.)
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To: Alberta's Child

The State of Israel is important to Jews because it is on some of the site of the Land of Israel. The Land has importance of its own, regardless of who rules it politically.

Otherwise, the State is just important because a lot of Jews live there, just like a lot of Jews live in America. Most traditional religious Jews do indeed tend to be non-Zionist.

‘Yeshivish’ and Chassidic Jews are generally unimpressed with ‘Religious Zionists’.


33 posted on 02/04/2017 6:14:49 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: MuttTheHoople

This has always confused me, because Ashkenazi are of Japheth, not Shem (Semites) according to the Bible.

Genesis 10:2 - http://www.biblestudytools.com/genesis/10.html


34 posted on 02/04/2017 6:18:59 PM PST by Voluntaryist
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To: editor-surveyor

Orthodox Christians have always believed that part of God’s salvation through Christ was to replace the literal nation of Israel as a object of God’s favor with a new nation of believers in Christ world wide. To not believe that is to in effect deny that salvation comes through Christ alone.

You are preaching another religion with Christian trappings, something like Mormonism or Christian Science.


35 posted on 02/04/2017 6:20:16 PM PST by WatchungEagle
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To: Maudeen

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The Abrahamic covenant is for all of Israel, not just Judah.

The “Lost Sheep” of the House of Israel are the spiritual seed of the ten northern tribes. That is all the people of the world that sojourn with obedient Israel.

It may well be a billion people; only Yehova knows.


36 posted on 02/04/2017 6:23:13 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: SeekAndFind
[Israel] is ethnic, the seed of Abraham. It is literally the seed of Abraham," Land said. "If you're Jewish, you are part of the promise.

Does Mr. Land ever read the New Testament?

"Jesus answered: My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would certainly strive that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now my kingdom is not from hence." (John 18:36)

"He that believeth in the Son, hath life everlasting; but he that believeth not the Son, shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." (John 3:36)

"He that despiseth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him; the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:48)

"There is neither Jew nor Greek: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you be Christ's, then are you the seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise." (Gal 3:28-29)

37 posted on 02/04/2017 6:29:51 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: WatchungEagle

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Orthodox christianity is a man made box of lies.

It rejects the gospel of the kingdom preached by Yeshua and his apostles completely.

I am preaching the word of Yehova, as found in the scriptures that Yeshua preached.

You do not accept what Yeshua and his apostles preached; you follow the abominations first created in the mid 4th century by Constantine and Eusebius.

Anything with ‘christian trappings’ is that “other gospel” mentioned by the apostles.

Yeshua preached Torah, as did his apostles. Just read the NT without satanic blinders.
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38 posted on 02/04/2017 6:33:13 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: UnwashedPeasant
"Why is a Christian website presenting anti-Semitic alternative views as equivalently valid?"

That bears repeating, thanks.

39 posted on 02/04/2017 6:33:45 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: Voluntaryist

“The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses”

Eran Elhaik

https://academic.oup.com/gbe/article/5/1/61/728117/The-Missing-Link-of-Jewish-European-Ancestry


40 posted on 02/04/2017 6:36:03 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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