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I was an atheist until i read “The Lord Of The Rings”
Word on Fire ^ | 12-16-2016 | Fredric Heidemann

Posted on 01/03/2017 2:22:39 PM PST by fishtank

I was an atheist until i read “The Lord Of The Rings”

by Fredric Heidemann

December 16, 2016

I grew up in a loving, comfortable atheist household of professional scientists. My dad was a lapsed Catholic, and my mom was a lapsed Lutheran. From the time that I could think rationally on the subject, I did not believe in God. God was an imaginary being for which there was no proof. At best, God was a fantasy for half-witted people to compensate their ignorance and make themselves feel better about their own mortality. At worst, God was a perverse delusion responsible for most of the atrocities committed by the human race.

What broke the ice? What made me consider God’s existence a real possibility? The Lord of the Rings. I was a young teenager when I first read the Tolkien tomes, and it immediately captivated me.

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To: fishtank

Back in the day, my first question would be — which convention has the cutest girls?


41 posted on 01/03/2017 3:57:03 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: fishtank
It is my contention that The Lord of the Rings is by far and away the greatest work of art of the twentieth century. By the way, it is NOT allegory.
42 posted on 01/03/2017 4:01:27 PM PST by chb
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To: DesertRhino

“A little odd. Rings fans are weird, they just are.”

Others have had a similar opinion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmuT8UeTk4s

(Warning: Kevin-Smith-level profanity at the the link)

(Disclaimer: I don’t share Randall’s opinion - far from it)


43 posted on 01/03/2017 4:07:43 PM PST by Stosh
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To: DesertRhino

“And ok, suppose you have some golden ring, you still think ill have to do what you say?”

Well, if you’re sworn to that ring and it occupies your every thought and motive, then yes, you’ll have to do whatever the holder of the ring says.

Frodo speaking to Gollum; TT: The Black Gate is Closed

But I warn you, Smeagol, you are in danger.’

‘Yes, yes, master!’ said Gollum. ‘Dreadful danger! Smeagol’s bones shake to think of it, but he doesn’t run away. He must help nice master.’

‘I did not mean the danger that we all share,’ said Frodo.
‘I mean a danger to yourself alone. You swore a promise by
what you call the Precious. Remember that! It will hold you
to it; but it will seek a way to twist it to your own undoing. Already you are being twisted. You revealed yourself to me just now, foolishly. Give it back to Smeagolyou said. Do not say that again! Do not let that thought grow in you! You will never get it back. But the desire of it may betray you to a bitter end. You will never get it back. In the last need, Smeagol, I
should put on the Precious; and the Precious mastered you
long ago. If I, wearing it, were to command you, you would
obey, even if it were to leap from a precipice or to cast
yourself into the fire. And such would be my command. So
have a care, Smeagol!’


44 posted on 01/03/2017 4:17:49 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Library Lady
People never have a problem with God. They have a problem with their idea of God. Being able to see that distinction is the first step towards wisdom.

I don't find LoTR to be be particularly emblematic of Christianity or any specific religion. I can see how those who never considered the possibility of anything beyond "surface reality" would be tempted to reconsider that assumption after reading it, however. I suspect that's why so many converts to theism point to LoTR as a starting point in their journey.

45 posted on 01/03/2017 4:25:51 PM PST by AustinBill (consequence is what makes our choices real)
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To: IronJack

I think everyone considers Sam the most noble and heroic character in LOTR. I don’t believe that is an accident.


46 posted on 01/03/2017 4:34:06 PM PST by Timmy
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To: IronJack
Bilbo gave up the ring too. That was the reason the elves had such respect for. Hobbits.

Each character is great in his own way and each was equiped along the way to handle the burdens assigned to them by providence.
IMO, Frodo was the greatest character because his journey and task was greater. In the book all the characters recieve accolades for their heroism except Frodo which Tolkien explained was because the other Hobbits didn't really understand what he had done.

47 posted on 01/03/2017 4:35:36 PM PST by Varda
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To: fishtank

I read The Sons of Odin in 3rd Grade and was forever after hooked on Nordic myth, like my (future, for me) kindred spirits, C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien; Greek myth just never appealed to me.

I began reading Tolkien in 5th Grade (for assigned advanced reading). I did not immediately like it, but gradually it lured me in.

Before I finished the trilogy, I knew one thing with certainty (although I knew nothing factual about Tolkien as a person): The author was a Christian.

I knew Nordic myth; therefore, I knew of its brutality and paganism.

Middle Earth was clearly a moral universe with an implicitly monotheistic belief system.

I have read the trilogy over 24 times: lost track. It is my all-time favorite (non-Bible) book.

(I was privileged to sing the Howard Shore music in April 2015 when all three movies were shown - twice each, over four days - sans soundtrack, with live orchestra and chorus. We got standing ovations for both intermission and conclusion of each of the six presentations - the highlight of my music career. I - just one of the musicians - actually got asked for my autograph by a young woman who had, like many of the others, traveled from out of state to attend this extraordinary event.)


48 posted on 01/03/2017 4:42:06 PM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - JRRT)
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To: fishtank
Goldberry too. I thought these two were allegorical characters for Father Time and Mother Nature, creations not corruptible by sin.
49 posted on 01/03/2017 4:44:10 PM PST by Varda
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To: Reddy

The Screwtape Letters by CSL are dedicated to JRRT.

Tolkien clarified the point you make by saying that, of course, his belief in God and Christ would inform his writing, even though he did not attempt to control the reader’s perception through deliberate allegory.

His essay, Tree and Leaf, clarifies his views on fantasy, and what he coined, “eucatastrophe”.


50 posted on 01/03/2017 4:46:20 PM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - JRRT)
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To: fishtank

I can see it. The hope of an honorable world rising out of one with so much evil but also so much positive.


51 posted on 01/03/2017 4:47:12 PM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: chb

I agree - on both points.


52 posted on 01/03/2017 4:47:18 PM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - JRRT)
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To: fishtank

I am a nerd/Trekkie (versus geek/Trekker).

I have been to (F) A-D: A & B, more than once; C & D, once each.

I have never made or worn a costume, however.

I attended the last Star Trek convention hosted (as speakers) by both Shatner and Nimoy (according to my research).


53 posted on 01/03/2017 4:51:54 PM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - JRRT)
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To: fishtank
I actually prefer the Renaissance Festival to the other options. I think Star Wars/Star Trek people are nerdy and while I like Tolkien, going to to a Tolkien convention just seems kind of weird.

But at Renaissance Festival, I get to dress in a green and yellow court jester's costume with pointy shoes and nobody laughs at me. I get one of those giant turkey legs to gnaw on and drink lots and lots of mead and cidre while I watch the knights in chain armor jostle each other on horses. All while harp and flute music is playing. It's a lot of fun.


54 posted on 01/03/2017 4:52:05 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Library Lady

Quote by Aldous Huxley
“Science does not have the right to give to me my reason for being. But I am going to take science’s view because I want this world not to have meaning. A meaningless world frees me to pursue my own erotic and political desires.”


55 posted on 01/03/2017 4:52:29 PM PST by BwanaNdege ("The church ... is not the master or the servant of the state, but the conscience" - Luther)
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To: NorthMountain

They first bonded over their common love of Nordic myth. Tolkien’s faith later influenced Lewis, an atheist.


56 posted on 01/03/2017 4:54:15 PM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - JRRT)
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To: DesertRhino

I am odd; I admit it.

I think people who really absorbed in such literature tend to be what Myers-Briggs calls an “N” (for iNtuitive); “S” (for Sensing) types tend to prefer more literal or practical literature.


57 posted on 01/03/2017 4:56:37 PM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - JRRT)
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To: NorthMountain

I actually prefer The Space Trilogy (so called) by Lewis over Narnia (which I appreciate). It is adult fantasy.

That Hideous Strength is one of the most vivid and chilling portrayals of Good versus Evil I have ever read.

Still, LotR is my all-time favorite, no contest.


58 posted on 01/03/2017 4:59:55 PM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - JRRT)
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To: rightwingcrazy

The One: Iluvatar.


59 posted on 01/03/2017 5:00:43 PM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - JRRT)
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To: BwanaNdege

There speaks an honest man - rare among his kind.


60 posted on 01/03/2017 5:03:45 PM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - JRRT)
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