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Is this the first written mention of Jesus? 2,000-year-old tablets in a remote cave are genuine
Daily Mail ^ | 12/05/2016 | by Libby Plummer

Posted on 12/05/2016 8:11:49 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Is this the first written mention of Jesus? 2,000-year-old lead tablets found in a remote cave ARE genuine, claim researchers

An ancient set of lead tablets showing the earliest portrait of Jesus Christ have proved to be around 2,000 years old, according to experts.

The metal 'pages', held together like a ring binder, were found in Jordan in around 2008 by an Jordanian Bedouin and make reference to Christ and his disciples.

The lead has been analysed and the words and symbols translated and experts say the tablets date from within a few years of Jesus' ministry.

And what they reveal could be enlightening not only for Christians, but also Jews and Muslims.

The tablets suggest that Christ was not starting his own religion, but restoring a thousand-year-old tradition from the time of King David.


(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Religion & Culture; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: archeology; artifacts; jesus; jordan; tablets
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To: CondorFlight

Actually, one of the names in the OT for God, is El Shaddai, the translation of which can be God, the breasty One, who sustains us as surely and completely as a nursing mother sustains her baby’s life. Not that God is female, but that He has the attributes of One who not only gives us life, but that He also sustains us. I have no idea if this is what this particular couple means, but just giving my two cents worth.


21 posted on 12/05/2016 8:59:45 PM PST by Flaming Conservative
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To: Flaming Conservative

Judaism and Christianity split after Christ and not all at once, and the two still share quite a lot.

There’s much more that can be said about the issue; but as you state “that Christ was not starting his own religion” is a nonsensical ‘revelation’ on many levels.


22 posted on 12/05/2016 9:02:13 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: stocksthatgoup

He’ll put his eye out...


23 posted on 12/05/2016 9:02:17 PM PST by ameribbean expat
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To: SeekAndFind

Fake News.


24 posted on 12/05/2016 9:02:29 PM PST by Hostage (Article V)
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To: dp0622

“To Serve Mankind”.


25 posted on 12/05/2016 9:05:41 PM PST by BipolarBob
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To: CondorFlight

>>>So Jesus worshiped a he-she god?

Abba, Father, who art..

It is how He taught us to pray to, address, relate to God - as Father, as taught in the Apostle’s Creed: “I believe in God the Father, Almighty...” And “Jesus Christ, His only Son Our Lord… was conceived by the [God the ] Holy Spirit…”

For those who care, theologically God transcends gender; what is the gender of light, truth, beauty, spirit...

It becomes moot or specious and the article’s statement that “the God he worshipped was both male and female,” is, at best, an ignorant attempt at political correctness.


26 posted on 12/05/2016 9:12:51 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: SeekAndFind
and among them is an image of Jesus himself

I think the images of Jesus on toast were a lot clearer. ;o)

27 posted on 12/05/2016 9:16:26 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t know that Evangelical Christians are trying so much to “brand them as fakes” as see them as just another tangible proof of His existence outside of Christian works but the work of men, nothing more. It doesn’t PROVE that what they claim these plates say was the truth. There were and will continue to be false teachers perverting the truth.


28 posted on 12/05/2016 9:22:44 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Flaming Conservative
>>>"He has the attributes of One who not only gives us life, but that He also sustains us.."

There are numerous references to God in these terms, which we usually associate with mother or female-ness. And in Genesis translations we see such binary-ness mess as: "God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

If we relate to God as a person, we humans relate in terms of gender and Christ taught us to relate to God as father, Abba.

This is appropriate to our human conceptions God transcends 'he/she.' What is the gender of logos?

I think those, like the article's authors, try to play a gender card on God have other agendas overlaying a mass of ignorance.

29 posted on 12/05/2016 9:27:14 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Flaming Conservative
Jesus also speaks of His calling to them as a hen gathering her chicks:

     O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not! (Luke 13:34)

And we have the Lord God saying through the prophet Jeremiah:

    'For as the waistband clings to the waist of a man, so I made the whole household of Israel and the whole household of Judah cling to Me,' declares the LORD, 'that they might be for Me a people, for renown, for praise and for glory; but they did not listen.' (Jeremiah 13:11)

30 posted on 12/05/2016 9:48:48 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: SeekAndFind

this is bunk. Jesus predicted the destruction of the temple and was in no way seeking to establish a new temple covenant. what heresy!


31 posted on 12/05/2016 9:50:40 PM PST by georgiegirl (Count me in the half that's in the Deplorable Basket)
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It’s a fake.

Take 30 minutes and search further on the web on this item. It’s been out there for a while.


32 posted on 12/05/2016 9:53:22 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: AlmaKing

Just from Wikipedia

2012 updates[edit]

On 26 November 2012, BBC News conducted a short investigation about the authenticity of the codices. This was conducted as a short 13 minute segment of Inside Out West (26/11/12) [31] accompanied by a written BBC News article entitled “Jordan Codices ‘expert’ David Elkington’s claims queried”.[32] The programme initially focused on the codices’ authenticity with Dr Peter Thonemann again affirming that “I’m as certain as it is possible to be that this entire body of codices are modern fakes. I would stake my academic reputation on it” adding that “all of the codices that have appeared in the media in the past year or so are products of the same modern workshop — they’ve all sorts of similarities in style, fabric, and content. It seems absolutely clear that every single one of these documents is a modern fake”.[31] A spokesman for the Israeli Antiquities Authority (IAA) noted, “They were shown to experts on the period; all the experts absolutely doubted their authenticity.” Author and metals expert Robert Feather was also sceptical.[31]

The BBC Inside Out programme shifted focus onto whether David Elkington was the right person to be testing the authenticity of the codices, analysing the true intentions, history and qualifications of the “self styled” academic. It emerged that David Elkington is not an academic and has “No recognised qualifications in the field” although previously using the title of Professor.[31] It also emerged that Elkington is “using the codices to raise money to support him in his work”[31] from supporters including Princess Elizabeth of Yugoslavia who has donated tens of thousands of pounds to Elkington. It also stated that Elkington plans to release a book and create a film based upon the codices and that “over the years he’s taken thousands of pounds as investment to make a film based on his theories”.[31]


33 posted on 12/05/2016 9:57:43 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: SeekAndFind

Jesus did not start a religion, he is the end all of religion.


34 posted on 12/05/2016 10:00:52 PM PST by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our one and only true hope.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Tabloid. Blech.

“On 9 April Prof. Jim Davila published the following summary on his PaleoJudaica blog:

“The Greek is lifted nonsensically from an inscription published in 1958. The forger couldn’t tell the difference between the Greek letters alpha and lambda. The Hebrew script is taken from the same inscription. The Hebrew text is in “code,” i.e., is gibberish. The “Jesus” face is taken from a well-known mosaic. The charioteer is taken from a fake coin. The crocodile has a suspicious resemblance to a plastic toy. This forger was not Professor Moriarty. This forger was a careless bumbler. That makes it all the more galling how readily the media fell for the scam.”

The lead may be 2,000 years old, but the inscriptions on it bear no patina, indicating they are recent.


35 posted on 12/05/2016 10:17:03 PM PST by dangus
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To: SeekAndFind

The Elkingtons themselves are fakes:

“David Elkington is not an academic and has “No recognised qualifications in the field” although previously using the title of Professor.[31] It also emerged that Elkington is “using the codices to raise money to support him in his work”[31] from supporters including Princess Elizabeth of Yugoslavia who has donated tens of thousands of pounds to Elkington. It also stated that Elkington plans to release a book and create a film based upon the codices and that “over the years he’s taken thousands of pounds as investment to make a film based on his theories”.


36 posted on 12/05/2016 10:24:48 PM PST by dangus
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To: dp0622

Thankew. :)


37 posted on 12/06/2016 12:43:32 AM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: SeekAndFind
More junk science by self proclaimed scholars who are using it to sell books.

Live Science reported in 2011 that the are fakes

experts in writing and language notice that there are problems with the tablets in how the letters are formed and other technical problems

and guess what else? the guy pushing this "find" doesn't have any real credentials.

Again from LiveScience

Elkington's credentials may not have been questioned thoroughly enough by the media outlets that gave him a platform. "The 'British archaeologist' who is named as apparently trying to get these things into a Jordanian museum and who is one of the few who has actually seen them, one David Elkington, is not an archaeologist," said Kimberley Bowes, a Greek and Roman archaeologist at the University of Pennsylvania.

"He doesn't seem to occupy any post or other academic position, and his writings on how acoustic resonance is responsible for major world religions wouldn't be accepted by any academic or scholar I know," Bowes told Life's Little Mysteries.

But the press will lap this up, especially since it undermines Christianity, which is always popular with them during religious holidays like Christmas and Easter.

More from Rogue Classicism, again from 2011 link... sounds like they are trying to recycle an already debunked theory.

38 posted on 12/06/2016 3:15:39 AM PST by LadyDoc
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To: Flaming Conservative

No Christian believed Jesus was planning a new church? Guess telling peter he was the rock on which he planned to build his church was a mistranslation put in by (place favorite conspiracy theory here... the claim predates Constantine so don’t try that one).

One Billion Catholic Christians and half a billion Orthodox and Eastern Christians believe Jesus founded a church. Taking one quote out of context doesn’t make them wrong.


39 posted on 12/06/2016 3:19:40 AM PST by LadyDoc
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To: SeekAndFind

The controversy over its age is not all that important. It could be that old. That would, in and of itself, not make it reliable. It would be the same as someone unearthing a copy of the New York Times after 2,000 years. The age would not make the Times reliable.


40 posted on 12/06/2016 3:54:51 AM PST by odawg
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