Posted on 11/30/2016 8:04:31 PM PST by Morgana
When it comes to “women’s issues,” The View ladies need some education.
On Tuesday, The View discussed President-elect Donald Trump’s appointment of Rep. Tom Price as secretary of health and human services. In particular, Price’s position against government-funded birth control and abortion. During the show, not only did Joy Behar completely skew Catholic and Christian views on contraception, but Whoopi Goldberg once again pushed for abortion (or, as she called it, “terminating this”).
Behar first took issue with Price, because, as she saw it, birth control was necessary to prevent abortion.
“He wants to roll back birth control benefits from the – the Obamacare,” she said of Price. “So if you use a condom or if you get some – a – a pill or you use the patch or whatever, you won't have to have an abortion. Why are they now against birth control?”
Following a commercial break, Behar continued on the topic.
“I don't understand what their beef is about people using – getting free birth control so they can control the population somewhat and not have to get abortions,” Behar reiterated. “I can understand abortion because people are religiously against something like that. I was raised a Catholic, we were told ‘no.’ Okay, fine. That's your feeling and I – I appreciate it and I respect it.” (Forget that she’s publicly made fun of it in the past.)
“But birth control? That went out with which pope 150,000 years ago,” Behar added. “I mean really, even the Catholic Church doesn't say that anymore.”
Wrong. Even the liberal media routinely acknowledge – and attack – the Catholic Church for forbidding contraception (regardless of whether individual Catholics use it or not).
And the Catechism of the Catholic Church cites why providing contraception for others violates religious freedom for Catholics: contraception prevents “giving oneself totally to the other” which “leads not only to a positive refusal to be open to life but also to a falsification of the inner truth of conjugal love.” As Pope Paul VI explains in Humanae Vitae, contraception translates into rising marital infidelity, lower moral standards and increased viewing of women as “mere instrument[s] of selfish enjoyment.”
In other words, Church doctrine teaches that actively preventing conception or "every action which … proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible" is “intrinsically evil.” (“Periodic continence,” such as Natural Family Planning, is allowed because, it “respect[s] the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom.”)
Besides Catholics, many evangelical Christians refuse to fund contraception because they say some forms induce abortions.
But, like Behar, Goldberg didn’t understand either.
“I don't understand why – why someone else's religion impacts me,” she said. “I don't like the idea that someone who doesn't know my life or my family's life can make a decision that if my child is raped, I don't have the right with her to say we are terminating this.” Video below.
Short answer, Ms. Goldberg? Because “terminating this” means terminating a human person, a baby. It doesn’t just affect the woman.
“But if I don't subscribe to your religion, why am I being pushed into believing what you believe?” she continued. “You can't force anybody to be in any religion or believe any way.”
Exactly. That’s why the pro-life movement, that believes abortion kills a person, shouldn’t be forced to fund it.
But Goldberg continued by comparing abortion to gay marriage. “I understand people who don't believe in it, don't have one,” she said. “It's like gay marriage, you don't believe in gay marriage, don't marry a gay person.” (Again, she failed to understand the stance that abortion destroys a life. The same can’t be said of gay marriage.)
Co-host Paula Faris interjected that contraception wasn’t “merely a religious issue,” because of atheist and agnostic friends who also “have a problem with abortion.” But, she admitted, she had “no idea why anybody would have a problem with birth control other than maybe they feel it interferes with God's will.”
“Interferes with God’s will? How could they know?” Behar made fun. “Are they talking to God now?”
It wasn’t until the end that co-host Sunny Hostin brought up the issue of paying for others’ contraception. “I think some of the argument sometimes is if you're using federal funding to have an abortion,” she said.
But when Goldberg declared, “we've established that has not been the case,” Hostin agreed. “It's not been the case especially with Planned Parenthood, but that’s their argument,” she said.
That’s when Faris did a much needed fact-check. “They can with Title X and certain parameters under Medicaid, it does happen,’ she argued. While the Hyde Amendment, a legislative provision approved annually by Congress, bars federal funding for abortion, it allows for abortion in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother. Furthermore, money is fungible, which means Planned Parenthood could offset costs with public funds to free up other resources for abortion.
That made Hostin reconsider: “They don't want their tax dollars going towards someone else's abortion.”
Whoopi concluded to applause, “I don't mind if it goes either because I don't want my tax dollars paying for a war, you know. I want my tax dollars taking care of kids, but it's a balance.”
In the past, the View crew has called former presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson “pathetic” for speaking out against abortion and slammed actor Kelsey Grammer for wearing a pro-life T-shirt. Goldberg has also declared that abortion is legal because people are tired of “hanger” and “Clorox” abortions and insisted that there was “nothing” in the Bible about abortion.
The same morons who think that people should have the right to come to America by crossing the Mexican border think that people do not have the right to come to America through the womb.
These people couldn’t care less than obamacare is hosing people down. The smart people know how to fix the healthcare problems...they just happen to be pro-life!
I am a Christian. And, yes, I talk to God a lot. Even more, He talks to me.
Okay, here is the non religious, scientific reason to oppose abortion. In the last million years since Lucy lived in East Africa no human female has given birth to a non human. If carried to term, absent trauma, diease, malnutrition, every pregnancy will result in a human being. Now one cannot say with scientific certainty when the entity becomes human, but because we know it will be human if the progressives wish to terminate it they must be able to prove that the entity they are terminating is not human because all the evidence of science and history tells us that it is.
Thanks.
let us not forget: Planned Parenthood is to be completely defunded.
Scientifically, the entity becomes human when the sperm enters the egg and the cell has its own specific DNA. The moment of entry sets it all in motion and the entity is human from that point on.
Among Christians, as far as I can tell the issue of birth control within marriage is divided between the Catholics, Amish, old order Mennonites, Quiver full type Christians, and some other independent Christians vs every other Christian group. The libs seem to invariably accept it no matter the faith. There’s no group out there that accepts abortion and ‘gay marriage’ but finds birth control a bridge too far.
Freegards
When he talks to me he sounds just like Mr Ed
Let us not forget, George W Bush and Rove funded Planned Parenthood for eight full years.
No kidding... the illogic and inconsistencies boggle the mind. All it takes is a quick web search to find many examples of people charged with murder or manslaughter for causing a miscarriage. I have not had a single person logically explain that inconsistency or form a compelling argument that allowing a doctor to willfully kill a baby while imprisoning another is not in violation of the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. Seems for consistency, assault and practicing medicine without a license would be the appropriate charges in the pro-abortion mind.
It’s really weird that I laugh at Joy when she is trying to be serious, but am unable to when she does her comendy material.
Listening, more likely...
“Okay, here is the non religious, scientific reason to oppose abortion.”
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And the ethical and purely logical reason:
Since everyone agrees taking an innocent human life is murder, and since there is no agreement on when the pre-born is considered a “human life”, abortion - at the very least - involves the possibility of committing murder.
Don’t you love how atheists always want to interpret the Bible and church teachings for Christians.
Pray America woke
Methinks you forgot the Charismatics/Pentecostals...and the Orthodox.
“But if I don’t subscribe to your religion, why am I being pushed into believing what you believe?” she continued. “You can’t force anybody to be in any religion or believe any way.”
You see Whoopi, there’s this religion called Islam, and they have a unique method of proselytizing to help stubborn inviduals such as yourself called “jihad”, and if you and the rest of your coven would spend as much time attacking this religion as you do Christianity you would quickly find out about how much force some religions can bring to bear...
Do you think so? I don't believe there's a chance in the world.
I put the Charismatic/Pentecostals that haven’t accepted it under the independent type Christians. As far as Orthodox, to my understanding at least some Orthodox can use bc within marriage as long as your spiritual advisor advises it is OK for you to use. I’ve asked how often this permission is asked for and given but no one seems to know.
Freegards
It was a campaign promise.
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